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Tripping in a Faraday Cage?
    #14996094 - 08/29/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Anybody ever done this?

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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14996119 - 08/29/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

So do you propose something like a Tesla coil providing a mini lightening show and using the faraday cage to ground it?

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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: SeniorCoolo]
    #14996162 - 08/29/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Eh, no.  I propose building a human size Faraday cage (it's not hard but it has to be done carefully) and then tripping inside of it.  Though having a Telsa coil outside it would be awesome - thinking of that Mythbuster's episode with the artificial lightning... :laugh2:

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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14996199 - 08/29/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

So what would be the point of tripping inside essentially a big metal cage?

I think it would be :feelsweirdman:

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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: SeniorCoolo]
    #14996208 - 08/29/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

An experiment. :alientransform:

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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14996260 - 08/29/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'd feel so awkward being caged up while I was tripping. lol.

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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: Mescalineeee]
    #14996902 - 08/29/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It's not like you can't get out. :laugh2:

The idea would be to see if anything feels differently, like when you trip in the dark vs the light, and so on.

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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14997328 - 08/29/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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It's not like you can't get out. :laugh2:

The idea would be to see if anything feels differently, like when you trip in the dark vs the light, and so on.

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Your body is attuned to the Earth's electromagnetic field and is sensitive to static very low frequency wavelengths that a faraday shield will not block out. Scientifically, I don't think that any of your biosystems will be affected by the electrical field negation that a faraday shield offers.

It would be interesting to trip in a facility that blocks out the Earth's electromagnetic field (especially its ELF). In fact, it would be interesting to simply study its effects on a sober person over time.


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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: mylfgur]
    #15001381 - 08/30/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It's easy to suggest the null hypotheses, indeed, that's what the experiment tests. :lol: 

SFAIK, however, a properly constructed and grounded Faraday cage will counteract ALL electromagnetic radiation with wavelength significantly larger than the fine mesh, thus including very low frequency.  Static electrical fields cannot be blocked, and the Earth's static magnetic field penetrates it easily as well. 

In the human modified environment there's now a lot of artificial EMR which humans didn't evolve with.  Microwaves on down, radiation is pervasive in our current environment.  The cage will block all of this, including ELF radiation.  And it will block natural environmental radio emission such as bremsstrahlung from cosmic rays.

That's not what I'm testing though.  I'm interested in the trip effects themselves and how they manifest, the cage is best considered a form of isolation tank.  It can be a simple A-B experiment, which even in the case of less than perfect suppression should provide a comparison.

Presently though, I'm just looking for anybody who's already tried it. :thumbup:

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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #15001459 - 08/30/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

:highfive:
go for it

I would love to try tripping in an sensory deprivation isolation tank.


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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: mylfgur]
    #15001540 - 08/30/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

They're not so hard to build.  I recall John Lily's pretty complete description in one of his books - think it was "Center of the Cyclone".  Mainly it takes - a tank (plywood sealed with fiberglas resin), a heater (like for a hot tub), and a whole shitload of Epsom salt solution to provide neutral buoyancy.

Uh oh, now I'm thinking how to combine the two...  :eyemonster:

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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #15002505 - 08/30/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You'd probably see that, more often than not, the major difference will be caused by the fact that they are tripping in a cage.

Psychological experiments seem so easy, don't they. Then you remember that you have to isolate your independent variable, that's a few different surveys, a physical examination, a background report, a history of drug use, a personality test, and blah blah blah. You have to brief them, you have to debrief them, you have to use the same room at the same temperature for the same amount of time. Everything needs to be monitored by at least two psychologists, or maybe interns who are working on their masters, who each observe the qualitative data along the way.

After you've isolated your independent variable you should end up with some thousand participants. Then you need to come up with a scale for comparing the effects of the drug. That's another survey, but a much more difficult one to create because the effects of psychedelics are highly varied.

Anyway, if you wanted to test it you'd need a lot of time, money, and effort. You're never going to do this test because it would require more money than you will be able to get, seeing as how it's research on a psychedelic. If you were to do it, you'd want to do some very thorough research, which will probably lead nowhere because there hasn't been enough research in the field.


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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #15002570 - 08/30/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Don't particularly like the idea personally. I'd rather trip with no boundaries.

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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: healing]
    #15006146 - 08/31/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Don't particularly like the idea personally. I'd rather trip with no boundaries.

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S'cool, nobody's gonna force you into the cage. :lol:

Anyway, I always trip without boundaries, no matter where I am. :scaryshroom::thumbup:

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Psychological experiments seem so easy, don't they.




Not really. But this isn't a psychological experiment.  I'm after something quite a bit deeper, but I'm not ready to explain what I'm really doing.

I guess I wasn't clear originally.  I'm not looking to test people inside/outside a Faraday cage while tripping, I'm asking if anybody has already done this.  I'm going to do it, personally, for my own research reasons. 

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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #15006656 - 08/31/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I don't see how it'd be so different... Isn't it just a cage? So you'd just be tripping in the cage... What about if you had to go to the bathroom? Piss/shit it the corner? Maybe partway thru you'd say, "Fuck this, this is pointless" and leave? Hmmm...

It'd be realllly something, me thinks, to trip in a dark, enclosed space..... Like a COFFIN!


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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: CYaN1c1oWN]
    #15006684 - 08/31/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

:huxleyfacepalm::laugh2:

OK, next?

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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #15006701 - 08/31/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Seriously, I don't think it's going to be one bit different. It may be, but I really doubt.


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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: CYaN1c1oWN]
    #15007005 - 08/31/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You know, I was thinking of building my own house, and the idea of using an iron/chickenwire mesh would make sense structurally. I ought to see if I can turn it into a faraday cage. Be terrible for wireless of any sort, but I rather like that idea.

A little place of  calm in a sea of EMF radiation.


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Re: Tripping in a Faraday Cage? [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #15007028 - 08/31/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

@CYaN1c1oWN:

Ah yeah, nobody knows.  Well...

@Visionary Tools:

Chicken-wire is far too coarse.  I'm going to be using fine-weave copper screen, the electrical qualities are very important to get good isolation.  All the seams need to be well made, preferable soldered, although that seems like a total PITA to me. Overlapping and applying a physical crimp of some sort should do the job.

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