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Owsley or Kesey?
    #1499941 - 04/28/03 05:08 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

{Read Tom Wolfe's The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test if you're not familiar with the Owsley vs. Kesey argument on the LSD experience}

So, where does everyone stand?

I'm with Kesey.


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Re: Owsley or Kesey? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1501516 - 04/28/03 07:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I loved that book! I am determined to find my copy (put it away when my first son began middle school, quite a few years ago, now) but I can't find it at the moment. If the thread goes away, I'll bring in back because these guys (Kesey and Owsley) were kind of like Jefferson and Franklin to our place in time and I want to elaborate.


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Re: Owsley or Kesey? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1502103 - 04/28/03 10:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I read that book a couple years ago, but I don't remember their argument. Could you please refresh my memory?


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Re: Owsley or Kesey? [Re: the universe]
    #1502793 - 04/29/03 01:04 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Kesey Knew


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Re: Owsley or Kesey? [Re: thestringphish]
    #1503275 - 04/29/03 04:42 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Is it the drug or the user?
...the tool or the craftsman?
...the words or the reader?

I say the entity that possesses/creates the intent is responsible for the end product. Owsley disagreed. I think he just wanted an excuse to distribute/sell (read: make some cash) more LSD.


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Re: Owsley or Kesey? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1503284 - 04/29/03 04:50 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

the tool by itself does nothing, it's the user of the tool that creates art.


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