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Re: Mr. Circastes. Spirituality and Death Anxiety's intimate connection. [Re: crkhd]
    #14989999 - 08/28/11 06:57 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

What if enlightenment is the cessation of fear? What I mean is that a truly enlightened person has cleaned out their negative traces on reality.

I agree. That would have to be the case imo.  But here's the catch for me. I am far away from certain that any human can completely do it.  :shrug:

The longer I live the more I'm guessing is that an awakening is  the maximum in human potential and enlightenment, like unconditional love, is a benchmark to shoot for but ultimately unattainable.


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Re: Mr. Circastes. Spirituality and Death Anxiety's intimate connection. [Re: Icelander]
    #14990240 - 08/28/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

you don't think there's people who have gone beyond fear?



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Re: Mr. Circastes. Spirituality and Death Anxiety's intimate connection. [Re: deff]
    #14990430 - 08/28/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You're saying that every person who commits suicide is fearless?


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Re: Mr. Circastes. Spirituality and Death Anxiety's intimate connection. [Re: Poid]
    #14990554 - 08/28/11 10:16 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

well i think if i wasn't afraid to set myself on fire, i wouldn't have many if any other fears either. to me, intense physical pain would be the hardest fear to overcome :shrug:

of course though, not everyone who commits suicide is fearless


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Re: Mr. Circastes. Spirituality and Death Anxiety's intimate connection. [Re: deff]
    #14990868 - 08/28/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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deff said:
you don't think there's people who have gone beyond fear?







It's an unknown.  When young I knew many people who I considered fearless compared to me only to find out later there were areas where they were afraid of certain things and I was not. Of course they tried to hide them so only over time did they become evident.  Normal behavior imo.

It's very hard to judge what goes on in another persons mind. Were I to have know this person in the picture for some time I might be able to make a better guess about whether is is completely fearless in all areas of life.


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Re: Mr. Circastes. Spirituality and Death Anxiety's intimate connection. [Re: Icelander]
    #14990873 - 08/28/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

true :thumbup:

i'm not claiming he is or isn't, but i think it's an interesting case for sure


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Re: Mr. Circastes. Spirituality and Death Anxiety's intimate connection. [Re: deff]
    #14990991 - 08/28/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Very interesting.  One of the most interesting I've ever seen.  That's why I would love to know more.


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Re: Mr. Circastes. Spirituality and Death Anxiety's intimate connection. [Re: Icelander]
    #14991898 - 08/28/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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whether is is completely fearless in all areas of life




Take a large sample of humans from different times and look at everything they've tried or done in their lifetime. Will any fearless act be left out of that list?

If not then collectively we are fearless, there is no "root" fear in that all-inclusiveness. How can there be a "root" anything, everything is expressed..

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Re: Mr. Circastes. Spirituality and Death Anxiety's intimate connection. [Re: Tony]
    #14992020 - 08/28/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

A seemingly fearless act does not have to be fearless in actuality. For instance a soldier who goes forward in fierce  battle where the odds are against him may be seen as fearless yet what might have provoked the seemingly fearless act might really be fear of seeming a coward to others or fear of the consequences of running instead.

Imo death anxiety or fear of impermanence effects everyone, if not on the conscious level then the unconscious and is the core fear for humans..

My two cents.

And looking at your statement from the other direction all fears have been expressed by humans so would that make us all fearful?


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Re: Mr. Circastes. Spirituality and Death Anxiety's intimate connection. [Re: Icelander]
    #14992156 - 08/28/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The term uses "death" in a very general sense..

which is not surprising considering that no one can actually point at death and say that is it.

Almost like the word "life".

Or "love".

Or "I".

Or "whatever"..

whatever anxiety?

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Re: Mr. Circastes. Spirituality and Death Anxiety's intimate connection. [Re: Tony]
    #14992344 - 08/28/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You don't need to know what the dark is to be afraid of it.


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Re: Mr. Circastes. Spirituality and Death Anxiety's intimate connection. [Re: Icelander]
    #14994707 - 08/29/11 01:56 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Icelander said:
You don't need to know what the dark is to be afraid of it.




I think that's the point really, the fact that we don't know what lurks/may lurk on the other side.


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