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OfflineAzmodeus
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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1501179 - 04/28/03 03:43 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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But, right or wrong. You KNOW drugs are illegal...Dont use/make/grow/sell them, and you cant be arrested for it, right?




To me getting arrested has nothing to do with it. I use ethnobotanicals, and always will, they are a spiritual tool for me. Its the fact that i am a responsible user, and contribute as much as any other citizen that bugs me. Because of such i might one day go to jail as a criminal.

Its not enough to compare to other ways of life and say "well thats ok, im still better off than so and so..." It grows from the ground and i consume it, to better myself and expand my conciousness. No one should be able to punish me for this, and just because someone will, doesn't mean i must respect that point of veiw.....


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OfflineMadtowntripper
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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1501323 - 04/28/03 04:17 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Lemme just make it clear that I in NO way, shape, or form support the sick and twisted drug laws of this country. I was merely making the point that, right or wrong, some substances ARE illegal. The laws are a matter of public record, and the police must, to some extent, play by a book of rules. This is, while maybe not a rarity, far from the norm in the world today.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1501423 - 04/28/03 04:47 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

The time to start shooting is when the political process is irreparable.

Some people think that time is already upon us. People like Tim McVeigh, Aryan Nations, and a few people on this thread.

If Bush refused to leave office after being voted out then I would have no qualms with taking up arms. He will go peacefully just like every president before him, though.

As for Ashcroft, I don't like him, but he's hardly the worst we've had to deal with. We survived Reno, we'll survive Ashcroft. Both asked for laundry-lists of enhanced powers, Ashcroft was lucky enough to get handed one by the legislature. I don't expect most of it to survive the SCOTUS. At least he hasn't had the justice dept set any kids on fire.

Bottom line: this administration will leave peacefully after 4 or 8 years. No need to shoot anyone. Meantime, my guns help ensure my personal freedom from bodily harm.

MMmmmmmmm, Bushmaster :smile:

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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1501432 - 04/28/03 04:50 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Well written.


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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1502024 - 04/28/03 07:58 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

>>>When are the gun owners gonna use 'em?

When they come to take them it'll be out of my cold dead hands. Remember a revolution is a bloody undertaking. Now, we have elections and voting, much better than cival war and bloodshed. But you can only push a man so far. Remember that lesson learned from the revolutionary war. All the intolerable acts the English inflicted on the colonists, they even stationed English soldiers in peoples homes! But even that didn't spark the revolution. Lexington and Concord started off as a British gun grab. This is the same measure I decided to go with. If our government becomes tyranical and confiscates guns I will use them in defence of liberty and freedom. God bless George Washington and all of his and my guns.


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OfflineDogomush
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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1502096 - 04/28/03 08:11 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

i only have one thing to say***deleted by Rono...user warned***, the truth is, no american has to explain why we still have guns to you. you dont have a say here, like i dont there. lets keep it that way.

hehe musta been a good post before it got edited. I wasn't judging anybody for having guns, I was inquiring how guns were going to stop the government from going too far in a practical way.

Last time I checked, Mexico or Canada didnt have an illegal immigrant from America problem. Eh?

Well, we're getting a trickle of refugees.. it's a trend that could continue and maybe pick up speed as Marc Emery encourages it and the current ones are successful.

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Offlineatomikfunksoldier
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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1502145 - 04/28/03 08:23 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

yes, recently there has been a huge influx of arab refugees from america. who are scared of being persecuted in the states....and dont want to have arab ID cards.


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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1502228 - 04/28/03 08:42 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Your harboring terrorists! *Bang* *Bang*


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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1502474 - 04/28/03 09:37 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I personally believe that keeping weapons to preserve some "freedom" is a poor argument for the necessity of gun ownership.
It doesnt make much sense.


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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: TheCaptain]
    #1502493 - 04/28/03 09:40 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

How so?


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1502528 - 04/28/03 09:45 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

But thats just the thing...it IS a freedom. Guaranteed by the constitution. Now, if they somehow went and made that out of date, then maybe the argument is wrong. But as long as the constitution is the law of the land, I dont see how you can say a person does NOT have the right to a firearm...


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1502574 - 04/28/03 09:54 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I haven't seen anybody say that you shouldn't have the right to own a firearm.

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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1502595 - 04/28/03 09:59 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I think that CERTAIN people shouldn't be allowed to have firearms, such as schizophrenics and convicted felons.


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Offlineatomikfunksoldier
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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1502597 - 04/28/03 09:59 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

the constitution also stated that a black man was 2/3's a white man


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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1502599 - 04/28/03 09:59 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

That wasn't the Constitution. And by the way, it's 3/5, not 2/3. It was called the Three-Fifths Compromise.


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Edited by silversoul7 (04/28/03 10:00 PM)

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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1502609 - 04/28/03 10:02 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

whatever........same shit


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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1502651 - 04/28/03 10:15 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Well... there are a lot of factors in having a gun to "preserve your freedom."

The biggest IMO is the fact that gun ownership would be the last domino to fall in some government conspiracy. As are seeing, basic rights are being altered in many cases to prevent due process (at least thats my impression). For the most part, people dont seem to care- or if they do, arent doing much about it. Potentially, if the government wanted to remove ownership rights, they would not one day declare all gun owners the enemy and start making the rounds collecting arms. Its this slow erosion that we are seeing now which is the real threat to freedom.

Secondly, consider the technology improvements we have seen since ownership became a right. For the most part, the ability to rise up using guns was an option because civilian arms and military arms werent that different. The wealth of weaponry and resources (tracking, surveilance, etc...) the government commands far exceeds anything the population can pull off.

Theres some more I wantedto say, but im running on 2 hours sleep and 15 cups of coffee right about now. Maybe I'll come back to it. Sorry if any of the above is incoherent or poor spelling.


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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1502673 - 04/28/03 10:21 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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whatever........same shit




That is why it is hard to take you seriously.

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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1505278 - 04/29/03 04:48 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Because he got the 2/3 mixed up with 3/5?! :confused:


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Re: When are the gun owners gonna use 'em? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1505285 - 04/29/03 04:50 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

No because he said it was the same thing.


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