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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14974041 - 08/24/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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On another note, when you rinse off the blocks, collect and save the brown water that washes off.  It's a great plant food and contains plant growth hormones.  It will double the size and health of plants and flowers in your garden.
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Do you have a reference for this?

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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14974045 - 08/24/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I will have to give it a try your way next time RR. I am also very
interested in saving the metabolite water now...I have a nice sized
organic garden and I am always looking for better ways to give my
food what it needs in a natural way. As always thanks for the tips.

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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: lipa]
    #14974270 - 08/24/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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On another note, when you rinse off the blocks, collect and save the brown water that washes off.  It's a great plant food and contains plant growth hormones.  It will double the size and health of plants and flowers in your garden.
RR




Do you have a reference for this?

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Yes, my own work.

It's a previously undiscovered property to the best of my knowledge.
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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: lipa]
    #14975498 - 08/25/11 09:27 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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On another note, when you rinse off the blocks, collect and save the brown water that washes off.  It's a great plant food and contains plant growth hormones.  It will double the size and health of plants and flowers in your garden.
RR




Do you have a reference for this?

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I beleive it.  That stuff looks and smells like it would help boost organic reactions needed to feed plants in an organic based medium.  I am interesting in trying this out too.


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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14975880 - 08/25/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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To me those blocks look ready to birth. How long has it been since
inoculation?

Iv played around with cold shocking in a refrigerator, and what I
have been doing is placing the blocks inside with temps around 38-43F
leave them for 12-16 hours, take out for 8-12 hours, and then place
back in for another round. With my next blocks I am going to try three
cycles in and out of the refrigerator and see if that makes any difference.

As you have seen from my previous grows SGFC's will fruit shiitake
blocks fine.



 
The original post took place a little over 2 and a half months ago as I state the bags were inoculated 2 weeks prior to making the post so, it's safe to say about three months, give or take a week.  Forgot to label these bags and am mainly keeping track of their inoculation date as per the dates that are displayed in the post we make. 

Interesting take on staging out the shock cycle.  Let us know how that works out for you. 

RR, that's a good tid-bit about fertilizing plants with collected and saved Shiitake substrate run-off or bath water.  Don't have any plants going, at the moment so it looks like at the very least, I'll be shocking inside of the bags and, slapping and rinsing the blocks, after the shock. 

You should have/pay someone bottle that stuff up for you, RR.  Slap a sticker with your face on the bottle and sell it as a fine, organic fertilizer as I understand you've recently become certified by the state of Washington as an "organic" Shiitake farmer.

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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14979288 - 08/25/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'm planning to.  We're still figuring out how much to use and how often.  One thing to keep in mind is to always water the plants well, and then wait overnight before using the substance.  Don't use it on plants in dry soil.
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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14980579 - 08/26/11 05:26 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm planning to.  We're still figuring out how much to use and how often.  One thing to keep in mind is to always water the plants well, and then wait overnight before using the substance.  Don't use it on plants in dry soil.
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Yup, you want those roots to open their "capillaries" (I believe is the word) from soil that's dried out by intorducing them to plain water first, before hitting them with nutes..  If you ignore to hit the roots with water first, the nutes. COULD burn the roots and cause them to lock up, locking out any water and/or nutrient uptake. 

In my experience, organic fertilizers don't cause roots to burn.  Which is another reason, in a long list of reasons, why organic gardening is the way to go. 

If you could find the general N-P-K of the Shiitake run-off water then you would know how much to use and how often.  Correct me if I'm wrong but, I think there are meters out there that read the N-P-K of nutrient solutions.  At the very least, I remember of such devices that will read the PPM's of nutrient solutions.  Unlike chemical fertilizers, organic fertilizers are never precise about the numbers they have.

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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14981015 - 08/26/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I doubt the shiitake waters value is in its NPK lol!  It might have some, but its probably more about natural hormones, vitamins, and metabolites that speed organic reactions, just a guess though. :laugh:  Also, organic gardening is not always the way to go, on a side note.  I beleive hydroponically grown produce can be far superior to organically grown, or visa versa.  Depends on the cultivator, conditions, strains, purity of nutrients; pretty much an infinite number of factors. etc.  (yall should know this its the same with fungi :cool:)  Organic can burn roots, just not as easily. Ever overdone guano? It will burn plants like a mofo.  Dont buy into organic is better, thats what the marketers want to to think, so you buy more of it.  While i do normally prefer organic, and will most likely look into certification of my mushrooms, i hold both growing systems with equal regards.  I grow plants in hydro, and in organic systems for personal consumption. I like to have a salad with hydro and organic lettuce in the same bowl; it can only diversify the nutrients you receive! Normally circumstances make one better than the other.  If you live in a desert, i bet hydro produce will be much higher quality than soil grown, lol.  Each consumer needs to take in more than just few flash words, like organic or sustainable, and think about what is the best for themselves and the environment, because it is to each his own.

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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: Aleon]
    #14981242 - 08/26/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Dont buy into organic is better, thats what the marketers want to to think, so you buy more of it.




Not so at all.

The organic standard requires us to PROVE every year at our annual inspection that we're improving the health and vitality of the soil.  To consider only the short-term volume or quality of product that can be produced with hydroponics and/or chemicals, while ignoring the long-term damage caused by the salts produced is short sighted.

We have tens of thousands of farmers in America who have so terribly polluted their own farmlands with toxic salts from chemical fertilizers that nothing will grow on it, and now the rest of us are paying taxes to hand those same irresponsible farmers welfare payments, disguised as 'conservation reserve' where they're paid not to farm the land they ruined themselves.  That's a win for the chemical industry and irresponsible, lazy farming techniques, but a lose for all the rest of us.
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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14982240 - 08/26/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I doubt the shiitake waters value is in its NPK



Without (N)nitrogen, (P)phosphorus, (K)potassium, and all the other trace elements, how would the Shiitake run-off water even be beneficial to plants?

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Ever overdone guano?



No, I haven't.  I was talking about an organic nutrient, soluble in water, and administered by hand, such as fish emulsion.

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Dont buy into organic is better, thats what the marketers want to to think, so you buy more of it.




Not so at all.

The organic standard requires us to PROVE every year at our annual inspection that we're improving the health and vitality of the soil.  To consider only the short-term volume or quality of product that can be produced with hydroponics and/or chemicals, while ignoring the long-term damage caused by the salts produced is short sighted.

We have tens of thousands of farmers in America who have so terribly polluted their own farmlands with toxic salts from chemical fertilizers that nothing will grow on it, and now the rest of us are paying taxes to hand those same irresponsible farmers welfare payments, disguised as 'conservation reserve' where they're paid not to farm the land they ruined themselves.  That's a win for the chemical industry and irresponsible, lazy farming techniques, but a lose for all the rest of us.
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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14987399 - 08/27/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Good points RR.

In short, I was merely trying to say that guns dont kill people, people do. The gun in itself is inanimate, as is hydroponics or organics. Also, Hydroponics is not short sighted by any means. It is an age-old technique that does not require manufactured chemicals by any means.  Ever heard of the hanging gardens of babylon, or the aztec chinampas?  They were all eco-friendly hydroponics systems used to feed people. I have also been experimenting with hydro bamboo and spider plants in my FC along side the mushrooms(to use CO2 and produce O2). They sit in rocks and use only h20 to grow(sometimes i add a little omri listed kelp for a boost).  How is this bad for the environment?  It may be hard(it is for me), but try not to get hung up on the word hydro, or organic.  That is just one part in the process.  How the cultivator harvests his/her inputs from the environment and how he/she manages the waste stream created is a major factor in how "eco-friendly" the product is.  The association of the word hydroponics with chemicals is another time where one word does not tell the whole story, just as in the association of the word organic with healthy (i think of... OG certified soda pop, OG certified candy bars, OG certified spray on pancakes in a can.) 

I did/do not mean to upset. I just want to state my opinion, see others opinions and have a healthy chat about the concept.


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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: Aleon]
    #15013725 - 09/01/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Rinsed blocks in the sink.  Didn't collect and save the run-off water. 

 

While I was busting my Shiitake block strike cherry, I split the first block.   

 

By the time I was to striking the last block, I was striking these blocks like a resident pro..



Fruiting chamber #1 
   

Fruiting Chamber #2 


Went for the long haul and shocked the blocks in the fridge for a full 72 hours after a few more days of the blocks in the bags.

Both fruiting chambers are placed on the edges of five gallon buckets so that air can enter through the holes on the bottom of the fruiting chamber, under their own window sill, each with the aid of their own 30 watt, artificial, compact fluorescent light in the 6500 spectrum range set on a timer to come on every 12 hours, and go off for 12. 



 

Do Shiitake mushrooms absorb light from their sides like cubensis mushrooms do?  If so, was going to change the light placement so the light is delivered to the sides of fruit bodies.

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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #15014242 - 09/01/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'd just put three per terrarium to make sure the fruits have room.
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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #15014717 - 09/01/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Cannot wait to see the results!

I birthed three blocks today after a 72 hour cold shock and the third
block got slit in half and some of it crumbled. I placed the top half
back on, rinsed it off and perhaps I will get a few fruits off it :shrug:

Its heartbreaking to see a block that has been colonizing and browning
for 2-3 months crumble, crack or split in half.

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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15016251 - 09/02/11 06:55 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

It won't hurt.  I often toss spent blocks 30 feet into the garden area so they'll break apart on landing.  They also often fruit from those crumbs left over.  I've seen large shiitake form on chunks of a block half the size of a brf cake.
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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #15018385 - 09/02/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd just put three per terrarium to make sure the fruits have room.
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Have 2 extra, pre-constructed storage totes but no perlite.  It'll be tomorrow evening until I'm able to grab some more perlite, then I can build that extra terrarium, RR.  Hope these blocks can wait until then.

         

EvilMushroom666, hello.  I wasn't bothered too much.  My heart sunk when that block split, then I quickly realized how many cubensis substrates I'v seen become split, recolonize at the split, and fruit quite nicely.

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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #15035450 - 09/05/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

What is the direct effect of the over supplementation of Shiitake blocks?  Mutant blobs!

     
     

Hey!  I'm just happy to have taken this specie all the way through to fruition.  Learned a lot!  Just one remaining question.  Are these ok to consume?

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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #15035514 - 09/05/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I have eaten and dried my fare share of mutant shiitake fruits. As long
as they are not rotting or mushy they should be fine to consume.

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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15054133 - 09/09/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Fruiting chamber 1;
   

Fruiting chamber 2;
   

Here they are after the separation (this is current).

Fruiting chamber 1;
 

Fruiting chamber 2;
 

Fruiting chamber 3;
 



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Re: Shiitake Blocks. [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #15054503 - 09/09/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Have 2 extra, pre-constructed storage totes but no perlite.  It'll be tomorrow evening until I'm able to grab some more perlite, then I can build that extra terrarium, RR.  Hope these blocks can wait until then.





You really don't need perlite with shiitake.  You don't want a high humidity like with cubes.  Find something to lift and hold the blocks so they're not on the bottom.
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