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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #1508791 - 04/30/03 08:41 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Oi, joshua thats pretty impressive how you went about measuring without a micronmeter. I am baffled. Seeing as how your in oregon i would suggest getting some fresh specimens to workman for further investigation. I hope it is a new specie then i would have another local specie to collect =). And alot of people (cardboard) will want sporeprints =)


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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: cardboard]
    #1508820 - 04/30/03 08:55 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I actually saw the method of using the erythrocyte as reference on Workman's site from a link he sent me.

Thanks for the help Workman!

I will be talking to a professor here at my university to see if he is interested in helping me to correctly identify this specie...I will take it from there.

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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #1508828 - 04/30/03 08:58 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

would this rule out bohemica? :confused:    


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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: triptones]
    #1508845 - 04/30/03 09:03 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, the proportions of the spores are incorrect.

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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #1508880 - 04/30/03 09:16 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

very interesting i truly hope that its a new species that would be awesome.  and to think that all this is happening on a "drug" message board :smile:  peace

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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: blaze2]
    #1508898 - 04/30/03 09:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

damn...i love this thread!!!

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Re: Microscope pics are here!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #1508923 - 04/30/03 09:30 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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I will name it P. holotropii in honor of Stanislav Grof and the idea of holotropism



Now that's a name! Again you prove Who Da Man is!
Interesting how the PNW species complex of Psilocybes is developing..... an amazing genus without a doubt.Exciting for you my freind,Indentification,cultivation parameters, etc an intriguing and valuable scientific contribution.I would like to offer my congratulations on this most exciting find.
With the greatest of scientific respect,WR :wink:


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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #1508960 - 04/30/03 09:46 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I was referring to Ecuado that only P. subcubensis had been identified fromthat country. So far no one has reported other species from there.

P. subcubensis occurs in Australia, mexico, Central America and Thailand.

I did not say it was strictly from Ecuador.

Only that it was the only shroom reported in the literature formthere. No one has collected any P. cubensis in Ecuador. There are dozens of herbarium deposits at the national herbarium in Ecuador and they were all found to be P. subcubensis.
Thats all Joshua.

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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1509573 - 05/01/03 12:34 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Last year:
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There are no Psilocybe subcubensis in Argentina. Only Psilocybe cubensis.

Psilocybe subcubensis has only been identified as coming from Ecuador and not fromArgentina.




This year:
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Here are four specimens of P. subcubensis, a species only known from Mexico, Central America, South America, Australia and Thailand.




This site includes India.

On page 97 of this document, subcubensis is reported from Australia, Colombia, Thailand, and Puerto Rico (I think the reference to Alien is in fact supposed to be Allen)

I know you knew that Ecuador was not the only country subcubensis was found in...but your words said otherwise.

I would be careful when you make absolute statements, they are very confining. As I said before, "I think a very small sample of the actual species out there are found by those who can publish a scientific paper. I would imagine that many more species are found by the common mushroom picker and are not immediately available to scientific literature."

Even in your most recent post regarding the habitat of subcubensis you left out the Carribean.

Here is a quote from this site describing the climate of Argentina.

Quote:

North Eastern interior: Tropical climate, this area may be
uncomfortable during the summer because of the mixture of
of heat and humidity. Winters are generally mild & often
warm. Temperature tend to be quite high all year.





This is a Pantropical climate...the same climate that subcubensis are generally known to grow in. Although a published paper has not been written describing the specie from Argentina doesn't mean it doesn't grow there.

I admit that there is a lot that I can learn from you. I am grateful for your time and your responses.

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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #1509802 - 05/01/03 01:47 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Here is an image of Psilocybe baeocystis spores. Unfortunately I don't have a very good microscope (yet), but it does show the distinctive mango shape.



I have a rough chart that I haven't been working on in awhile that consists of drawings from the literature as well as my own spore photography.

http://www.sporeworks.com/newpictures/taxonomypage/PsilocybeMicroscopic.htm


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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Workman]
    #1509829 - 05/01/03 01:58 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Very cool!

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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #1509895 - 05/01/03 02:25 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Congratulations Joshua ! We are all waiting for new developments, hehe !


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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: ]
    #1510309 - 05/01/03 04:26 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Do you have an opinion on what you think it could be?


Joshua have you managed to cloned it?

Side note. As spores can travel long distances, is it not possible for
species to turn up all over the globe?and does anyone think the strange
weather patterns of the last few years could be adding this?


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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: ]
    #1510333 - 05/01/03 04:43 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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I am assuming that your microscope goes up to 1000x and the rest of the magnification was done via computer enlargement?




My digital camera has a 3x optical zoom.

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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Paid]
    #1510341 - 05/01/03 04:48 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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As spores can travel long distances, is it not possible for
species to turn up all over the globe?




As long as they land in favorable conditions. There are in fact many spores that travel around the world catching a ride in the jet stream. I think attributing the weather to any unusual fruitings is a stretch, but possibly a good one. I have noticed the winters have not been as cold, this could lead to fruitings that otherwise would not have occured. This is speculation though, I don't know a large enough picture to make it anything more than speculation.

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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #1510357 - 05/01/03 05:02 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

sweet so if it turns out to be something undocumented how would one go about getting it named and accepted as a new species?

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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: ]
    #1510379 - 05/01/03 05:24 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

They are not macroscopically similar though. Here is a link to a pic of aeruginosa from a foray to Astoria a couple of years ago.

http://shroomery.org/wwwthreads/files/83173-ROLL1DX-07A.JPG
Edit: The gills are sinuate on my specimens, Psilocybe caerulea have adnate to subdecurrent gills.

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