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 mjshroomer
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 Re: Unidentified Psilocybe Find in Oregon!!!  [Re: Workman]
#1500568 - 04/28/03 11:59 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Workman, I can assure you that they are not Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa as I have collect ed those on many ocassions. A stropharia maybe but i am sure they are not a psilocybe, at least not an active one.
Mj,
And maybe a Agrocybe.
Joshua,
Make a print on a white piece of paper. I do not know who started the aluminum foil for prints trip but those are not good ways to make a print and show proper color.
Also Ig you have shrooms with a bluing context. Do not put blue paper in the backgropund. Use white or red.
A few more imaes would be helpful, come close ups with a digital in after picking.
And it is definatewly not a cross between cubensis and azurescens. Those are comments reseerved for the nefarious Mr. G. who claims his martinensis is a new species and he claims the azurescens/cubensis hoax of the century.
mj
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mjshroomer
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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
#1500576 - 04/28/03 12:02 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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I emailed some pictures to Guzman.
mj
Willwait for his late reply.
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Joshua
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 Re: Unidentified Psilocybe Find in Oregon!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1500624 - 04/28/03 12:29 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am already working on more pics using a white printing surface and a white background.
I witheld the blueing specimens...I will provide a pic soon that will show the blueing. The spore print color is hard to discern due to the light deposit. I definately think it is more brown than purple...perhaps the print on white background will tell.
Of all of the alternative ID'd ... which bruise blue?
Joshua
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Re: Unidentified Psilocybe Find in Oregon!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1500753 - 04/28/03 01:27 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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MJ has good points about not putting a blue background and not using the foil for photography. The mushrooms do look like an agrocybe when dry but I still think they are some sort of a psilocybe. They may not be cyanofibrillosa but that is the best match I can come up with. Baeocystis have very distinct mango shaped spores so a quick look through the microscope could rule that species out. It is a specimen of interest.
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Joshua
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Re: Unidentified Psilocybe Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Workman]
#1500806 - 04/28/03 01:42 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was in my car...the background w/ the small holes are my pants. I will be more cautious about choosing my backgrounds in the future.
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Re: Unidentified Psilocybe Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
#1501600 - 04/28/03 05:39 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Wow" you sure stirred a lot of interests Josh, thats awesome.
I agree with Workman those look so much like Psilocybes... "mmmm" "I can just
smell them now"
Psilocybe Joshuensis: "That's what they are". "What kind of books are you all reading"? 
Once again nice find. Even the experts are boggled, this doesn't suprise me Josh, you have such wierd luck like that!
I can't wait to see them growing in all back yards of Oregon.
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Edited by PsilocybeTrybe (04/28/03 05:40 PM)
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angryshroom
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 Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
#1501679 - 04/28/03 06:01 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is pretty interesting.
You should get some pictures of the gill structure.
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Raadt
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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
#1501745 - 04/28/03 06:23 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Those don't resemble Gymnopilus to anyone?
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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Raadt]
#1502021 - 04/28/03 07:57 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Perhaps a variation of cyanofribrollsa brought on by a very unseasonal fruiting? They still seem to meaty like a stropharia for my liking.
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Joshua
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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: angryshroom]
#1503262 - 04/29/03 02:32 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here are some blue specimens. Someone ate .5 grams and got high...no stomach problems. He said it was a nice body high...not too mental.
Joshua
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stonErollEr1
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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
#1503357 - 04/29/03 03:24 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Any word from Guzman yet?
Nice find...Are you serious about "someone" actually eating them non identified?
peace...
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mjshroomer
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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
#1503365 - 04/29/03 03:28 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Joshua, it is possible that you have found somene's outdoor transplanted patch of P. weilii. IT is too close to be anyhthing but..
However, I present below some interesting photos of P. weilii and Michael Beugs image of P. cyanofibrilosa as opposed also to Paul stamets two photos from his book Psilocybine Mushrooms of the World. Compare the wide difference betweent he two and the pictures of Stamets,
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Here is a picture from the generic paper on P. weilii by Stamets and Gartz and another form a Georgia collection.
Click all images to Enlarge:
However, here is a photo of P. cyanofibrillosa taken by Michael Beug of Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington.
However it is different than the ones I picked here in Seattle and much different than the ones in Paul Stamets Psilocybine Mushrooms of the World.
see Pauls P. cyanofibrillosa two images posted below.
Page 113:
Page 114:
Well I sent images to Guzman and to Stijve in Switzerland. I await their findings.
IT may be P. cyanofibrilosa with a mutated growth or as I mentioned above, someone's transplanted spring-summer Weilli patch who is not aware it came up.
Let me know what you al lthink about this.
mj
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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1503691 - 04/29/03 08:27 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Uhh MJ so i assume your thinking its possible to cultivate weilli in the pacific northwest?? If those are cyanofribs then they are some crazy mutoids thats for sure. Those specimens really need to be looked under the microscope.
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mjshroomer
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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: cardboard]
#1503748 - 04/29/03 08:55 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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well the P. weilii are a warmer weather shroom,but then again I do not know how the weather conditions are in Georgia, only that this is not the season of the P. weilii. I also believe that after sev eral years the patches will disappear due to overgrowth and other nutrients disappearing inthe Georgia soils where they are collected from
This thinking is likely since that is what happens in many areas where noit manured shrooms fruit.
ANyone can make an outdoor patch for a short period.
I have friends who feed cows P. cubies in june and July and when August September com a few appear in manure but only once. They do not return after hte seeding.
However, it is doubtful after viewing many photos in my library.
I compared them to the foto of Michael Beug which does resemble Joshua's shrooms but they do not resemble those of Paul Stamets. Here are a few of P.cyanofibrilosa from Golden Gate Park in SF.
These inmages below are closer to the P. cyanofibrillosa's which I have picked here in Seattle. Only about ten patches in thirty years. Kinda scarce they are.
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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
#1505463 - 04/29/03 05:45 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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To bad myceofile is not around that guy has alot of experiance with cyanofribrollsa, and from what i have seen those looking nothing like said species. I think weilli is definetly out of the question, even if someone had cultivated a bed it wouldnt be fruiting with these washington/oregon spring temperatures.
What this is is a crazy mystery and you need a microscope man.
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Joshua
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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: stonErollEr1]
#1505499 - 04/29/03 05:57 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's a long story.
He picked some, dried them, and ate them...I had nothing to do with what he was doing.
Joshua
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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
#1505768 - 04/29/03 07:17 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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joshua, i hope you have already made preparations to send some of these specimens out, because this whole speculation festival is making me queezy. i personally handled some quantity of those mushrooms that the other person ingested, and there is absolutely no doubt that they are psilocybian mushrooms, the question here is whether the species has been described before, not whether they are active, nor whether they are in the genus psilocybe. you left that cd at my house with all those pics, i don't see why you didn't post more.... someone should have collected these mushrooms before and been swooft enough to contact a knowledgable mycologist.
you failed to mention the gelatinous pellicle, easily separable. also, smell alone was enough to id them to this genus!!!
the spore color is bad in that photo. they are purple brown, just as they should be.
what i want to know is, why are they not baeo's?
has no one found meaty baeo's before? the younger specimens, when still fresh, DID readily bruise blue, just not as starkly as, say, fresh cubensis or azurescens, which is what joshua expects from his bluing mushrooms! (hehe)
the older specimens were found a few days beyond prime, which accounts for there light color and there hesitancy to bruise, although they all did bruise.
this is no mixed collection.
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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
#1505795 - 04/29/03 07:28 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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mjshroomer
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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: shaniatwain]
#1505924 - 04/29/03 08:14 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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They are not baeocystis. I have picked baeocystis for thirty years and I know the species very well.
Guzm?n just sent me a reply and he says they are Psilocybe cyanofibrilosa.
Mjshroomer.
And Stropharia aeruginosa is not a psychoactive species.
mj
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mjshroomer
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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: shaniatwain]
#1505929 - 04/29/03 08:16 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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P. argentipes is a species only known from Japan and nowhere else in the world.
mj
If you read my last post, Guzm?n just identified them as Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa.
End of story.
and have a shroomy day,
mj
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