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Blueing Mushroom Find in Oregon!!! (5/18)
    #1497298 - 04/27/03 04:25 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

A prolific fruiting of an unknown specie was found in 4 year old mixed mulch. The description of baeos fits these specimens well. I have noticed a couple of possible insignificant differences. There is little to no striation at the margins, the cap margin is regular to irregular.

Here is a description as best as I can do:

Cap shape:

Variable. Young specimens are more regular as obtusely conic maturing to hemispheric to broadly umbonate. Older specimens broadly convex. 1-1.5 inch cap. Regular to undulating margin. Color as dark chestnut when young to light beige/ nearly white as older/dryer. Removable pellicule.

Gills:

Sinuate. 3 rows of crowded to close gills. Tan to beige, darker with age.

Stem:

1-2 inches long, 1/8-1/4 inch thick. Fribulose annular zone, may be fribulose below annular zone. Hollow, and fibrous (not easily broken).

Other:

Specimes blue when handled but usually do not blue in habitat unless old/dry. They have a strong psilocybe smell.

I have many photos and am taking prints...will post tomorrow night.

**Please post any possible look alikes or suggestions for alternate species. Pics are good too...this would be my first baeo find.

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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #1497379 - 04/27/03 05:51 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Here are a few baeocystis images for comparison. This would be unusual since they grow in lawns and grassy areas in the summer and fall and then appear in woodchips after temperatures change to much colder environment.

mj

Annd all caps have pleats on them. They are generally never a chestnut color but are olive-brown to straw colored and sometimes whitish in age with gold tinges in the bluing and hygrophanous color changes of the caps.

Here are those images to help compare them,







Some intense bluing in Baeocystis from a lawn



One more lawn foto:



and from some mulch variations





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mj

Congradulations for your find.

Waiting to see the pictures.

mj

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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1497693 - 04/27/03 12:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

They do not have pleated margins and do not readily bruise blue. They also resemble Weilii in their description. I am anxious to get your opinion once I post picks.

I don't think they are baeo's but for a lack of a better description I don't know what to call them. The spore print is developing as a purple/brown print. My camera batt died while in the field, I will go back for more pic's now that my camera has recharged.

Are there any possible lookalikes?

In a bit of ironoy...the location they were found is the same location I ingested 3 1/8 of cubes 4-5 years ago...to the foot. The reason they put in the mulch is because a week after I was in the buches drinking my cube and OJ smoothie a drunk driver plowed through the same bushes and they had to re-landscape.

Pics to be posted tonight. Is there anything particular you want a shot of...otherwise you are at the mercy of my judgement.

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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #1497809 - 04/27/03 01:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

WEll even the ones you took home you could photograph.

It is possible they are P. cyanofibrilosa's They can vbe both very large and very small.

There is even a strain of small baeos which never get higher than 2 iches and i should post a picture of them.

But I would have to look into a file of about 2000 images in my cabinets. one at a time. i will wait till you post your images.

mj

ALso sometimes lanscappers have put mulch over new lawns and vice-versa.

HEre at the u of W a crop of blue ringers came up in a newly planted lawn. I pickked them a few times and then a week later i saw a truck dump 1 foot of mulch over the lawned area and plant flowers in it.

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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1499191 - 04/28/03 12:23 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I am waiting for the pics man....hmmm perhaps they are some variation of pelliculosa?


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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: cardboard]
    #1499821 - 04/28/03 03:57 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Here are the pics...enjoy! I am pretty sure this is not a mixed collection. The morphology varied greatly when comparing the new specimens to the old specimens.













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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #1499910 - 04/28/03 04:49 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

My the spore print appears to be a reddish brown.

I do not thinkit is a Psilocybe.

Maybe a Cortinarius, . I do not think the bluing is psilocine/psilocybine.

Mj. Some stropharias look like that also.

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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #1499916 - 04/28/03 04:52 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Right on Josh I think that is so cool that you came across these, you have to admit they resemble a cubensis/azurescen "huh".

Very very extraordinary find, i think this is some sort of sign to you "Mycology Major Maybe".

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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: PsilocybeTrybe]
    #1499925 - 04/28/03 05:00 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That print looks just like a cubensis print.

The more i look at them they even look a little like caerulescens/welli.

I am boggled.

Eat one and the trip will answer all :smile:


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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: PsilocybeTrybe]
    #1499933 - 04/28/03 05:03 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I bet 100% that their a Psilocybin containing specie. I know that look.....

Im convinced...clone one Josh?


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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: PsilocybeTrybe]
    #1499961 - 04/28/03 05:16 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Eat one and the trip will answer all




If that's a Cortinarius like the spore print color suggests, then it could make you trip to a hospital or a graveyard. Never eat unindentified mushrooms.


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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: zeronio]
    #1499996 - 04/28/03 06:00 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Good advice Zeronio.
and congratulations on your Modship ;-) green suits you well :cool:


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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Paid]
    #1499998 - 04/28/03 06:01 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It was a joke dude, josh is a close friend!


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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: PsilocybeTrybe]
    #1500082 - 04/28/03 08:47 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Gota be carefull as some people have a tendancie to take bad advice :-(

Edit: Not that Joshua would, but younger members may :-(


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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Paid]
    #1500127 - 04/28/03 10:03 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Cool Josh! I am pretty sure they are not Baeos but not positive they aren't psilocybian.perhaps a stunzii complex variation.Bon Chance! WR


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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: whiterasta]
    #1500142 - 04/28/03 10:15 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ey, i would concure they are not in the Psilocybe family, they seem much to large and meaty for a temperate woodlover. Perhaps some stropharia specie or as mj suggests a Cortinarius.


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Re: Possible Baeocystis Find in Oregon!!! [Re: cardboard]
    #1500177 - 04/28/03 10:38 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

We have quite a number of Nemataloma sp. that like mulch, also relooking at the print I think my money may be on that genus.The pic look a lot like a Nemataloma sp. that grew from the chip piles the utilities leave for a couple yrs here.I just do not see enough umbonate caps or undercurled edges for any of the active wood lovers I have seen.Josh I think our only hope is growing B+ in the cold until it evolves :wink: WR


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Re: Unidentified Psilocybe Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #1500217 - 04/28/03 10:56 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Try comparing your find to the description for Agrocybe praecox.

In your first photo there's a specimen to the lower right where the cap cuticle is cracking. That, plus a rusty brown spore print, ring on the stem, and growth in wood chip mulch, are all typical indicators of this species.

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Re: Unidentified Psilocybe Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #1500329 - 04/28/03 11:40 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Those are Psilocybes and the coloration of the spore print is just a photographic artifact. Photographing psilocybe spores at such a steep angle with a flash gives them the appearance of a more reddish coloration. Assuming the spores are brownish/purple and there is tissue bluing the choice of genera is limited.

My strong feeling is that they are Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa but microscopic features would have to be checked to confirm the identity.


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Re: Unidentified Psilocybe Find in Oregon!!! [Re: Joshua]
    #1500487 - 04/28/03 01:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

very  :cool: i will follow this with great interest :smile: 


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