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Government explained in so many words
    #14956261 - 08/21/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Somewhere along the line, we stopped regulating the G'ment and allowed the G'ment to regulate us. We did it to ourselves.

# of words ...

Lord's Prayer - 66 words
Archemedies Principle - 67 words
Ten Commandments - 179 words
Gettysburg Address - 287 words
Declaration of Independence - 1300 words
US Constitution w/27 Amendments - 7818 words

US Regulations on the sale of Cabbage - 26,911 words

Leaves you speachless - 0 words


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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: Fred Teddy]
    #14956287 - 08/21/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Mankind is born free.
If mankind is born free, slavery is murder.
As slavery is murder, so property is theft.
If property is theft, gov't is tyranny.
If gov't is tyranny, anarchy is liberty.


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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #14956322 - 08/21/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Fred Teddy said:
Lord's Prayer - 66 words
Archemedies Principle - 67 words
Ten Commandments - 179 words
Gettysburg Address - 287 words
Declaration of Independence - 1300 words
US Constitution w/27 Amendments - 7818 words

US Regulations on the sale of Cabbage - 26,911 words

Leaves you speachless - 0 words





The guv'mint is bad because they use many words?
Also: this.


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shivas.wisdom said:
Mankind is born free.



Ok.

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shivas.wisdom said:If mankind is born free, slavery is murder.



How come?
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shivas.wisdom said:As slavery is murder, so property is theft.



How come?
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shivas.wisdom said:If property is theft, gov't is tyranny.



How come?
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shivas.wisdom said:If gov't is tyranny, anarchy is liberty.



Yeah, I can see how that makes sense though.

Sorry if I'm being annoying, I blame low blood sugar.


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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: KremrBigSikter] * 1
    #14956414 - 08/21/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Haha, nah I expected your response. I'll expand. The argument is by Albert Meltzer, but I agree most completely.

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That Mankind is Born Free
Our rights are inalienable. Each person born on the world is heir to all the preceding generations. The whole world is ours by right of birth alone. Duties imposed as obligations or ideals, such as patriotism, duty to the State, worship of God, submission to higher classes or authorities, respect for inherited privileges, are lies.

If Mankind is Born Free, Slavery is Murder
Nobody is fit to rule anybody else. It is not alleged that Mankind is perfect, or that merely through his/her natural goodness (or lack of same) he/she should (or should not) be permitted to rule. Rule as such causes abuse. There are no superpeople nor privileged classes who are above 'imperfect Mankind' and are capable or entitled to rule the rest of us. Submission to slavery means surrender of life.

As Slavery is Murder, so Property is Theft
The fact that Mankind cannot enter into his/her natural inheritance means that part of it has been taken from him or her, either by means of force (old, legalised conquest or robbery) or fraud (persuasion that the State or its servants or an inherited property-owning class is entitled to privilege). All present systems of ownership mean that some are deprived of the fruits of their labour. It is true that, in a competitive society, only the possession of independent means enables one to be free of the economy, but the principle of ownership, in that which concerns the community, is at the bottom of inequity.

If Property is Theft, Government is Tyranny
If we accept the principle of a socialised society, and abolish hereditary privilege and dominant classes, the State becomes unnecessary. If the State is retained, unnecessary Government becomes tyranny since the governing body has no other way to maintain its hold. "Liberty without socialism is exploitation: socialism without liberty is tyranny" (Bakunin).

If Government is Tyranny, Anarchy is Liberty
Those who use the word "Anarchy" to mean disorder or misrule are not incorrect. If they regard Government as necessary, if they think we could not live without Whitehall directing our affairs, if they think politicians are essential to our well-being and that we could not behave socially without police, they are right in assuming that Anarchy means the opposite to what Government guarantees. But those who have the reverse opinion, and consider Government to be tyranny, are right too in considering Anarchy, no Government, to be liberty. If Government is the maintenance of privilege and exploitation and inefficiency of distribution, then Anarchy is order.




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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #14956429 - 08/21/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

god damn gubmint tryna take my freedoms away with all their words.  pissin me off!



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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: Fred Teddy] * 1
    #14956449 - 08/21/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The US gov became bought and paid for by international (European) banking cartel in the early 1900's

Since then these corporations have controlled every aspect of your country through money, media & military.  Age old tricks been happening over and over in most western countries for ages now.

The US is considered the military might arm of the NWO octopus controlled ultimately by banks, money and our human greed and participation in their system.


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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: nice1] * 1
    #14956451 - 08/21/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #14956476 - 08/21/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No paranoia required its established accountable fact.

Learn your history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Note

Comparison to Federal Reserve Notes

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Both United States Notes and Federal Reserve Notes are parts of the national currency of the United States, and both have been legal tender since the gold recall of 1933. Both have been used in circulation as money in the same way. However, the issuing authority for them came from different statutes.[24] United States Notes were created as fiat currency, in that the government has never categorically guaranteed to redeem them for precious metal - even though at times, such as after the specie resumption of 1879, federal officials were authorized to do so if requested. The difference between a United States Note and a Federal Reserve Note is that a United States Note represented a "bill of credit" and was inserted by the Treasury directly into circulation free of interest. Federal Reserve Notes are backed by debt purchased by the Federal Reserve, and thus generate seigniorage, or interest, for the Federal Reserve System, which serves as a lending intermediary between the Treasury and the public.







"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: nice1]
    #14956803 - 08/21/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

money!

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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: Fred Teddy]
    #14958208 - 08/21/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

This nostalia, whilst tugs at my heartstrings, ignores the context of things.

The lords Prayer was never a system of government. The founding fathers realised that dictators will always rise up and so made a complex system of government with three branches so they'd fight amongst each other rather than working in unison to fuck the people over.

As we progress as a society, we become more and more complex, complexity is a sign of more and more vibrant life. Compare music of now to a hundred years ago. Compare music we have now to fourty years ago. Electronics, medicine. Greater complexity takes greater understanding.


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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #14958338 - 08/21/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i agree with everything but music, classical music is still pretty modern.

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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: Konyap]
    #14958393 - 08/21/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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aiyobro said:
i agree with everything but music, classical music is still pretty modern.



lol. could even be argued popular music has gotten simpler since :lol:


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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #14958403 - 08/21/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
Mankind is born free.
If mankind is born free, slavery is murder.
As slavery is murder, so property is theft.
If property is theft, gov't is tyranny.
If gov't is tyranny, anarchy is liberty.




mankind is not born free. you know how much the damn hospital bill is after birth.


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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: Dunno]
    #14958421 - 08/21/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)



amirite?


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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: Dunno]
    #14958423 - 08/21/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

My sarcasm detector has never really worked properly, so...

'Duties imposed as obligations or ideals, such as patriotism, duty to the State, worship of God, submission to higher classes or authorities, respect for inherited privileges, are lies.'

I feel that trying to charge me for my birth would fall into this category of lies.


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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #14958431 - 08/21/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

you can have a free birth at your house my nigga, but to use ths hos staff and equipment is not.


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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #14958444 - 08/21/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
My sarcasm detector has never really worked properly, so...

'Duties imposed as obligations or ideals, such as patriotism, duty to the State, worship of God, submission to higher classes or authorities, respect for inherited privileges, are lies.'

I feel that trying to charge me for my birth would fall into this category of lies.




I'd say submission to higher classes or authorities.


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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: Dunno] * 1
    #14959537 - 08/22/11 03:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

LOL

you're born free but ten your parents "inform" on you to th government by nameing you and giving you an issue number of a birth "certificate".

The certificate is of course the ownership under the corporation or "country" you are born in.

Only gypsies are free as they don't partake in the legal act of giving up their children to the state.

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Re: Government explained in so many words [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #14959736 - 08/22/11 06:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
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aiyobro said:
i agree with everything but music, classical music is still pretty modern.



lol. could even be argued popular music has gotten simpler since :lol:




Cultural weapons excluded. When Madonna calls her concerts black magic rituals, you know it's not music for your soul.


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