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OfflineTri High
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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: Rebel_At_War]
    #14965281 - 08/23/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Do believe they have equipment that detects the locations of individuals in houses based on the electrical signals produced when the heart beats.

i.e. they can snipe you through a wall without ever seeing where you're at, unaided by technology.

Head's up.


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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: Tri High]
    #14967029 - 08/23/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Surprised noonne mentioned road flares, FF brought this up elsewhere as a must for a survival kit, as they will start a fire in almost any environment :thumbup:

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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: c1dh3d]
    #14967361 - 08/23/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

How did this thread go from an emergency backpacking trip, due to natural disaster. To hiding from the government while they hunt you down and try to suppress you?

Its just an "Oh Shit Kit", that would allow you go grab and go if something bad happened.

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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #14968606 - 08/23/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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How did this thread go from an emergency backpacking trip, due to natural disaster. To hiding from the government while they hunt you down and try to suppress you?

Its just an "Oh Shit Kit", that would allow you go grab and go if something bad happened.





Well history shows like with Hurricane Katrina of the 2005, Gestapo tactics were being employed by FEMA in that local area.
Assuming a similar or larger problem of a natural disaster was to occur, it would be reasonable to assume that the entire population of that region would be locked down and under "martial law".

They have build thousands of FEMA concentration camps all over the United States. One would have to be naive if they were to assume that they would not use the camps and fill them.

However if in doubt....wait a couple of years from now.

You probably will ask yourself when you are sitting in one of the FEMA camps, how you could have been so fucking stupid to see these FEMA concentration camps popping up all over your damn country, without wondering who they were for. :facepalm3:


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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: Vitalux]
    #14969461 - 08/24/11 04:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hmmmm....need to research that. Sources please?

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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: Vitalux] * 1
    #14969542 - 08/24/11 05:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

> However if in doubt....wait a couple of years from now.

The conspiracy yoyos have been saying "FEMA camps... wait a couple of years and you will see" over the last decade that I have been an admin here.  So how many more years am I supposed to wait, exactly?  Another ten?  Twenty?  Oh, and I am still waiting for Bush to declare marshal law and take over the country, turning himself into a king.  When is that going to happen, again?  I'm also still waiting for Planet X to show up.  I'm also still waiting for the lizard people to rise up.  I'm also still waiting for the alien invasion to occur.  I'm also still waiting for...  :rolleyes:

The conspiracy yoyo forum is a few doors down on the left.  This is the Security and Safety forum.  Lets please try to keep this discussion on the original topic and leave the FEMA conspiracy BS somewhere else.  Yes, I know, I am a government stooge and in a few years I will be sorry for ignoring your warnings.  Probably all the fluoride in the water.

> Surprised noonne mentioned road flares

My only gripe against road flares is their weight and limited re-usability.  This is the same reason why I don't bother with things that take batteries.  I want as light of a pack as I can manage with as much stuff in it that will be reused or dual purposed as possible.  My current survival pack weighs just 28 pounds, including tent, sleeping bag, week of dehydrated food, and two liters of water along with all my other stuff.  The tent, sleeping bag, and food make up the majority of the weight.  If I build a shelter, ditch the comfort of a sleeping bag, and hunt my own food (iffy proposition, I hate eating bugs ... the only part of survival training I disliked), then I could easily halve the weight I am carrying.


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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: Seuss]
    #14969581 - 08/24/11 06:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Agreed on the road flares.

Agreed on the bugs, shits nasty. Though Ants and fried grasshoppers ain't so bad.

My pack currently holds steady at about 30-35 lbs. That includes a week of food, and 3 quarts of water. Add a .22 and 100 rounds, and I'm set long term.

Also it's pretty amazing how much food can be snared with a single spool of thin wire.

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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #14969648 - 08/24/11 06:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Seuss said:
  I'm also still waiting for...  :rolleyes:






You wont have to wait much longer.

History tends to repeat itself.

However....all is well....go back...smoke a joint....eat some mushrooms....have a few beers....watch the ball game.


Best thing to put in a survival backpack is Water Purification Tablets.
At least if you have those, you can drink most ground water that you find without getting sick.

Having a book containing knowledge of wild eatable weeds and plants can help too.

However like I said before, you would probably have a difficult time trying to travel anywhere due to the "State" shutting down any liberal movement of citizens.




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Hmmmm....need to research that. Sources please?




No source required. Just go review what happens in most war or large scale disasters around the world with civilian populations and then apply your common sense.

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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: Vitalux]
    #14969671 - 08/24/11 06:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"Best thing to put in a survival backpack is Water Purification Tablets"

Disagree. The best thing you can put in any pack, is less shit. If you want to add something, add knowledge. The more you know, the less you need.

"No source needed" = Suspicions confirmed.

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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #14969736 - 08/24/11 07:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sunlight kills pathogens.  So maybe a shallow tupperware thing to put water in and leave in the sun to clean up.
Like a cookie sheet or something.  Can't be too deep or sunlight gets thwarted.

The government is coming for all of us, btw.  Look out.
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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: Tri High]
    #14969867 - 08/24/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

> Sunlight kills pathogens.

Bzzt.  If you believe that, I will leave you to your diarrhea.


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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: Seuss]
    #14969897 - 08/24/11 08:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

UV light kills pathogens.

And that is one spectrum the sun emits. 

Thanks.  Come again.


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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: Tri High]
    #14970007 - 08/24/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

+ a deck of cards


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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: Tri High]
    #14970343 - 08/24/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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UV light kills pathogens.

And that is one spectrum the sun emits. 

Thanks.  Come again.




How come puddles/ponds/lakes aren't sanitized by laying in the sun all day? Of the radiation that hits the earth most of it is longwave UV, UV water purifiers utilize the shortwave UV. I may be wrong.


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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: snoot]
    #14970425 - 08/24/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

^See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_water_disinfection

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Solar water disinfection, also known as SODIS[1] is a method of disinfecting water using only sunlight and plastic PET bottles. SODIS is a free and effective method for decentralized water treatment, usually applied at the household level and is recommended by the World Health Organization as a viable method for household water treatment and safe storage.[2] SODIS is already applied in numerous developing countries. Educational pamphlets on the method are available in many languages,[3] each equivalent to the English language version.[4]




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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #14971072 - 08/24/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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How did this thread go from an emergency backpacking trip, due to natural disaster. To hiding from the government while they hunt you down and try to suppress you?

Its just an "Oh Shit Kit", that would allow you go grab and go if something bad happened.




"Oh shit kit" :lolsy:


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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: Seuss]
    #14972408 - 08/24/11 06:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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^See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_water_disinfection

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Solar water disinfection, also known as SODIS[1] is a method of disinfecting water using only sunlight and plastic PET bottles. SODIS is a free and effective method for decentralized water treatment, usually applied at the household level and is recommended by the World Health Organization as a viable method for household water treatment and safe storage.[2] SODIS is already applied in numerous developing countries. Educational pamphlets on the method are available in many languages,[3] each equivalent to the English language version.[4]







:smirk:

Ponds and lakes are too deep for the light waves to effectively penetrate.  And then factor in light making plants and algae grow, which feed the fish, which poop out new organisms and die themselves, then contribute to many things.

Stratification.

Science :billnye: ecneicS


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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: Tri High]
    #14975045 - 08/25/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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UV light kills pathogens.

And that is one spectrum the sun emits. 

Thanks.  Come again.




Ok, I guess if I am near the equator, during summer, and I'm not worried about amoeba's or chemical contamination, then SODIS is better than nothing.  Unfortunately, if I am not in the tropics, (takes longer and is less effective from 15 to 30 latitude, and is ineffective above 35 latitude) SODIS isn't going to help much.  It also doesn't work as well in the winter, which gets worse the farther you get from the equator.  It doesn't work with turbid (cloudy) water, and requires the plastic container to be clear, unscratched, and made from PET (most water bottles).  It also takes six hours in direct sunlight in the best conditions and two days or more if you are not in the tropics, it is winter, there is a lot of cloud cover, etc.

Again, I'll leave you to your diarrhea and I will stick to micro-filters, iodine, and boiling my water...

(One last thought... the studies I've read all stress that the procedure (though simple) must be followed correctly to get the laboratory results.  Slight deviations render the process ineffective.  Be careful extrapolating the results of properly performed SODIS in ideal conditions to untried, untested techniques such as creating a small puddle of water in a cookie sheet at various times of the year in various locations.)


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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: LisonAlGaib]
    #14976877 - 08/25/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I have an emergency kit next to my computer, let's face it that's where I'm more likely going to be when shit goes down, containing




:lol: Sad but true.

I think this may have already been up top, but I saw flint, magnifying glass, and glowsticks for fire, light...how about a ten-pack of disposable lighters, (sturdiest possible)? By the time those ran out, other items would have already presented issues of being exhausted.




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Re: EMERGENCY backpacking [Re: numonkei]
    #14976882 - 08/25/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I think this may have already been up top, but I saw flint, magnifying glass, and glowsticks for fire, light...how about a ten-pack of disposable lighters, (sturdiest possible)? By the time those ran out, other items would have already presented issues of being exhausted. ~Monk




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