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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #524141 - 01/18/02 02:38 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

To remind us of the interconnectedness of everything

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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: HB]
    #14950147 - 08/19/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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it's all like asking why marijuana contains THC ...



actually there is an answer to that.

THC is the plants defense. why us humans find pleasure in it, idk... perhaps we inherit the defense and the plant tells our DNA, "alright, look ill make you feel paradise, if you keep reproducing me".... and so the symbiosis occured.... :bigblunt:

EDIT: just realized this thread is about 10 years old, sorry, im pretty stoned. :stoned:


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Anonymous]
    #14953046 - 08/20/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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To remind us of the interconnectedness of everything





:peace: thats all,
what an old thread,

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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: ant61]
    #14953066 - 08/20/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

10 year old posts need some love too

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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Xlea321]
    #27026132 - 11/07/20 05:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

So I know this subject is old , but I would like to put my little reasoning in that:

A biology teacher said it to me once: When studying living things like plants, fungi ,etc .. we shall not ask why at start ,but how.

Why he said that?

Well , in this case fungi , and plants don't have a brain , and cannot think. So saying that the shrooms make psylocibin for defense purposes is false . It produces psylocibin, and psylocibin can act like a defense , but it does not produce it for defense.

So how can the mushrooms produce psylocibin? well it's a very complicated subject that I cannot speak about in a very detailed way , but if we put it in a simple way:

We can make a hypothesis: In some moment of the history , the shrooms who produced psylocibin were those who survived better => so could spread the spores better.  / and those very similar but who cannot produce it didn't .


Now we can ask ourselves why :

-> We can assume that those mushrooms are tasty for the animals .

-> We acknowledge that psylocibin is mostly present in the mush ,in the fungi dick , the fungus ding ding dong.

-> Assuming you're a hungry animal , and you eat shrooms as if it was salad, you will likely never it that again, and over the generation , evolution will make your heritage don't eat that also .=> instinct.

( Yesterday I ate 15g of dried truffles, and I'm thinking seriously in never eat mushrooms again :laugh: )

-> Scientists found that psylocibin reduce appetite in insects also, and may be more functions in different animals

To conclude: Some mushrooms mutate => Acquire new characteristic => mother nature make selection => Characteristic preserved.

That is not instantaneous , and may be other substances similar to psylocibin were produced before .

Sorry for my shitty english

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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Pharmacien]
    #27026887 - 11/07/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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( Yesterday I ate 15g of dried truffles, and I'm thinking seriously in never eat mushrooms again :laugh: )





why are you thinking that?


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: epilectric]
    #27027150 - 11/07/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I had a very very bad trip, felt like my body were torn apart, and that I was melting with the room, forgot who I am , where I was , what I was,

it was very progressive and thanks to my friend who send me a message asking if I was doing good , I thought I was doing some very weird shit , and that made me bad very hard . After 1h I think I "passed out" , I think i just forgot as I was not prepared or my brain didn't understood the experience.

The worst moment was when I realized that the trip was more strong than a normal dmt trip, and that it would last a few hours. I think that the confusion and the anxiety just snowball with the time . But It was very weird and I can't remember 90 % , but I can remember the feelings I had at those moments however.

I will do mushrooms again but maybe in a few weeks , think I pushed too hard that time , the set was not optimal at all, it was a very immature decision . But I'm not traumatized yet  , as always it stabilized my mood and depression , it will last may be a few weeks also I think. I reuse it even if a had a bad trip always , it's like drunk people when they say they'll never drink again ...:tongue2:

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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Pharmacien]
    #27027218 - 11/07/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If you cant remember sections, you have blacked out, and that means the dose was too high.

it is not a lack of ability to take your medicine; this is just too high a dose for your brain to perform any associative pattern matching. (like reverb too high on all channels)


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27027875 - 11/08/20 02:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

oh yes I see , so I really blacked out .

Do you think the brain will get used to it ? like if one keep trying to have very high doses like that .

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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Pharmacien]
    #27027965 - 11/08/20 05:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

never.
it is not like lifting weights at all.

the equivalent is undesireable, and otherwise called TOLERANCE which is not worth building.


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Pharmacien]
    #27028305 - 11/08/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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I had a very very bad trip, felt like my body were torn apart, and that I was melting with the room, forgot who I am , where I was , what I was,

it was very progressive and thanks to my friend who send me a message asking if I was doing good , I thought I was doing some very weird shit , and that made me bad very hard . After 1h I think I "passed out" , I think i just forgot as I was not prepared or my brain didn't understood the experience.

The worst moment was when I realized that the trip was more strong than a normal dmt trip, and that it would last a few hours. I think that the confusion and the anxiety just snowball with the time . But It was very weird and I can't remember 90 % , but I can remember the feelings I had at those moments however.

I will do mushrooms again but maybe in a few weeks , think I pushed too hard that time , the set was not optimal at all, it was a very immature decision . But I'm not traumatized yet  , as always it stabilized my mood and depression , it will last may be a few weeks also I think. I reuse it even if a had a bad trip always , it's like drunk people when they say they'll never drink again ...:tongue2:

:tryingnottodie: :doingmediocre:





sounds harsh but you seem to handle it well

all that from just 15g of truffles?


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: epilectric]
    #27028362 - 11/08/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, maybe the setting increased the whole thing:

In less than a month I will be passing the first exam (we have 2 during the year), to become a pharma or a medical student.so with all the stress...

And my trip was in my bed in complete dark , just listen to wardruna songs , don't know if it is important but , I didn't ate the day before and I'm very underweight right now .

But I tought dried truffles were more strong than shrooms, and 15g of dried shrooms is quite a lot no? my max with shrooms is 6g dry in yoghurt and I didn't passed out that time.


(it's ok to deviate the subject a bit?)

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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Pharmacien]
    #27028830 - 11/08/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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oh yes I see , so I really blacked out .

Do you think the brain will get used to it ? like if one keep trying to have very high doses like that .





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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #27029333 - 11/08/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Psilocybin is a tryptamine. It's chemically structured similarly to tryptophan, an amino acid, which helps to produce serotonin and melatonin. These are both responsible for consciousness and perception. I think psilocybin and other hallucinogenic tryptamines like dmt, are amino acids for CONSCIOUSNESS. Building blocks of consciousness. If tryptophan is an amino acid, a building block for physical life, then psilocybin and other tryptamines are amino acids for consciousness and the spiritual realm.

So I think hallucinogenic tryptamines are amino acids for our minds, our bodies don't produce them naturally, so we get them from fungi.

Can someone go a little bit deeper with this thought?

I can't remember who but someone theorized that dmt and tryptamines are the universal "consciousness molecule" that all living beings and entities share in common.

Update: wow I just realized this thread is super old.


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Xlea321]
    #27029451 - 11/09/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Imagine having a much, much smaller Central Nervous System and munching on one or a bunch of these little suckers. You'd probably trip to death and or figure out a way to get eaten/killed while tripping lmao.


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Xlea321]
    #27029564 - 11/09/20 04:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Old thread, but there are a couple of competing theories. Alan Rockefeller tells it best, but I'll try to tell it okay-ish:

1. Insects: there are lots of insects that eat and lay their eggs in mushrooms, one theory is that psilocybin acts as an insect repellant or maybe even kills them, or makes life difficult for them, or something. The problem with this theory is that there are still a ton of insects that will happily eat and lay their eggs in psilocybes.

2. Animals: one idea is that it makes animals less inclined to eat them, but this is probably a bad theory. Animals like to get high and are known to eat intoxicating plants in massive quantities (even in quantities so large that it makes the animals very sick, the animals will still come back and eat more later). So more likely is the idea that they produce psilocybin for the same reason apples taste good: to get animals to spread their spores. They want to be eaten because it allows their spores to spread. One problem with this is that it's unclear if this actually allows spores to be spread or not. But it's still a good theory because animals like to get high, and lots of plants taste good specifically so that animals will eat them.

3. Humans: people have been gathering them in certain places for thousands of years (or more). In the process, people spread their spores all over everywhere, way further than the mushrooms naturally could on their own. There is a clear benefit for the mushroom for people gathering them and carrying them around, their spores are able to reach places they would never naturally be able to through that.

And finally, I'd like to add 4: all of the above.

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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27029621 - 11/09/20 06:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think Loaded Shaman is right , if we continue in my reasoning , the shrooms thrive along the evolution because they have that great capacity to make non functional a living thing like a mammal when consuming enough quantities.

      With internet and all those guys speaking bs on youtube we tend to woo woo too much , and this makes us closed minded  =>  "contradiction?!"
                So I don't think mushs were made by nature just to make us trip and explore consciousness , maybe they are just as they are , and that with all possibilities in nature it is not very special that things like mushs exist you know , maybe in another planet far away from here with approx the same conditions we would have apples that not only have tryptamine like molecules but cannabinoids at the same time :crazy2:

      But we could think also about Terence Mckenna:

=> fungi are older than humans 
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=> We have a consciousness and are affected in a very profound way by mushs

          =          and if mush were not created by nature to fit into our intellectual and consciousness exploring but rather we were modeled by these substances ? maybe and probably they came first and they influenced us to be what we are today(among other substances) .Thats way more plausible as we find these substances in a lot of cultures .
( and when I say we I include other animals too)

Maybe the reason for their existence is just pure luck => or a very complex mix of all of those theories .=> or the reason of our existence is theirs :crazy2::confused:

as nooneman said , a lot of animals like to be high.

-> the tolerance goes high and quick to animals too ?
->If they have a great tolerance so my hypothesis is broken because they could eat all the shrooms and the species would not thrive.
-> Maybe psylocibin is just like the taste substance in apples as you said nooneman :crazy:

I will write a new post during my holidays in december ,after doing a lot more research on the subject and I will put together all that has been said in this post( if you guys think is worth) , and maybe at that time the mushs will tell me more about them :eek::crazy2::mushroom2:

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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: Pharmacien]
    #27032813 - 11/11/20 05:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, maybe the setting increased the whole thing:

In less than a month I will be passing the first exam (we have 2 during the year), to become a pharma or a medical student.so with all the stress...

And my trip was in my bed in complete dark , just listen to wardruna songs , don't know if it is important but , I didn't ate the day before and I'm very underweight right now .

But I tought dried truffles were more strong than shrooms, and 15g of dried shrooms is quite a lot no? my max with shrooms is 6g dry in yoghurt and I didn't passed out that time.


(it's ok to deviate the subject a bit?)




i see, i'm underweight too and i absolutely couldn't take any psychedelic on an empty stomach, i need to eat regularly, otherwise i faint :laugh: or at least become very nauseous.

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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: epilectric]
    #27033559 - 11/11/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hey can someone read my response a few posts up and tell me what you think?


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Re: Why do shrooms make psilocybin? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27034688 - 11/12/20 07:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

so many silly posts in here

how about this theory, just like a tangerine tree makes tangerines mushrooms make their own versions. Tangerines are good for you it just so happens, and the same can be said for mushrooms.

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