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longbong
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why write AFOAF?
#14932220 - 08/16/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is there any point on writing AFOAF and a friend's cat and stuff like that in front of forum posts? Surely, legally it makes no difference?
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Re: why write AFOAF? [Re: longbong]
#14932232 - 08/16/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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This does not belong in mushroom cultivation. Try the pub or off topic discussion forum.
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Re: why write AFOAF? [Re: longbong]
#14932233 - 08/16/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I figure if they're out to get u your hit. The wording is just silly to me.
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Re: why write AFOAF? [Re: longbong]
#14932235 - 08/16/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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This isn't the legal advice forum..... where are your mushrooms?
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it is sometimes hard to remember there are different parts to this site other than Mush Cult, but there is.
theres even a marketplace, AND a place where you can discus videogames!
this site has it all, fuck a facebook.
scope 'em out, you'll find what your looking for.
oh, and AFOAF and SWIM and all that shit pisses me off. i read words, not connotations.
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Anyone who says AFOF or SWIM or any other crap gets an official award.
its like wow! really?...
OP very good post +5 to you for asking this question
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Re: why write AFOAF? [Re: longbong]
#14932960 - 08/16/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Because people have seen it on drugs-forum.com, where it used to be required until very recently.
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Quote:
HipsterDoofus said: Because people have seen it on drugs-forum.com, where it used to be required until very recently.
Actually that is spot on...
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Not going to run with this due to it not being in the right spot on the board, but if it makes people feel better posting about AFOAF that great more posts for the board that might not have been there:o)
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I dunno but the fact that this is in Mush Cult
make me think it
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Re: why write AFOAF? (moved) [Re: longbong]
#14933749 - 08/16/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.
Reason: By moving this post here (to the proper forum) you may find that checking out this forum can be beneficial to anyone.
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longbong
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Legally it makes no difference. I guess people are assuming if their computer was seized it could be used as evidence but it's just typing thoughts on a forum isn't it?
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Re: why write AFOAF? (moved) [Re: longbong]
#14937778 - 08/17/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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any thoughts on the legal side?
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Re: why write AFOAF? (moved) [Re: longbong]
#14937991 - 08/17/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think if you worded all your posts to be talking about different "friends" it may be tangible defense. I'm talking about actually writing posts that make everyone think you are talking about some person you know. Not that SWIM crap.
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Re: why write AFOAF? (moved) [Re: 4896744]
#14940391 - 08/18/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Posting on the internet cannot be used as evidence anyway can it as it is just thoughts. Things must be proven either by payment for something illegal or actual physical evidence.
Having said that, aren't the authorities now using Facebook/Twitter evidence for inciting riots and other things in parts of the world?
Edited by longbong (08/18/11 01:09 AM)
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Re: why write AFOAF? (moved) [Re: longbong]
#14941286 - 08/18/11 08:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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SWIM makes me cringe.
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Makes no difference, at all.
If I'm looking at your computer as a digital forensics expert, one of the first things I'm going to do is see what accounts were created/used. Usually within the first 10 minutes of a case, I'll try to get a general outline like that. The entire rest of the case, I'm going to create a timeline of what actions took place, and connect them to the different users. It's very common for someone to create multiple accounts, especially when they think they are about to be caught. It does nothing.
In criminal courts, the burden of proof is always on the state. So I won't put my name next to something that I'm not 100% on. If I see a couple bookmarks on a thumb drive matching up with bookmarks on a computer, I might mention it in my report but I'd really like to find better evidence to present. If I see the serial number and model number of the thumb drive on the computer, I might dedicate a few pages of my report on it. And I'll leave a little comment along the lines of "more evidence might be found under the user account of xxx on www.goatselovers.ru". After a subpoena, I'll read every post, PM, etc., including the archived information.
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longbong
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Re: why write AFOAF? (moved) [Re: maug]
#14970020 - 08/24/11 09:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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maug said: Makes no difference, at all.
If I'm looking at your computer as a digital forensics expert, one of the first things I'm going to do is see what accounts were created/used. Usually within the first 10 minutes of a case, I'll try to get a general outline like that. The entire rest of the case, I'm going to create a timeline of what actions took place, and connect them to the different users. It's very common for someone to create multiple accounts, especially when they think they are about to be caught. It does nothing.
In criminal courts, the burden of proof is always on the state. So I won't put my name next to something that I'm not 100% on. If I see a couple bookmarks on a thumb drive matching up with bookmarks on a computer, I might mention it in my report but I'd really like to find better evidence to present. If I see the serial number and model number of the thumb drive on the computer, I might dedicate a few pages of my report on it. And I'll leave a little comment along the lines of "more evidence might be found under the user account of xxx on www.goatselovers.ru". After a subpoena, I'll read every post, PM, etc., including the archived information.
It's still not proof of anything though just anecdotal supportive evidence. The proof as always has to be physical goods.
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Re: why write AFOAF? (moved) [Re: longbong]
#14970605 - 08/24/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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In the case of computer evidence, there is almost never going to be physical proof. But you can draw up one hell of a long list of correlations. And digital forensics is an actual science because the experiments are reproducible. I'll verify evidence by repeating the actions on my own computer. If the defendant's expert witness can't disprove the evidence or discredit the expert, then it's up the the judge/jury to decide. There's always some possible excuse. Like "it was the virus that was continuously putting child porn on my computer over the course of 5 years, categorized it in folders based on x, y, and z, and put little 1-5 star ratings on each one." No one physically saw the defendant doing it, so who's to say?
If you were sloppy and left all that stuff lying around on the computer, then what's going to happen is you're going to get to court and see a 50-90+ page digital forensics report with a fat-ass timeline of everything you did, and a list of locations where more evidence might be found.
At the end of my report, I'll say something like: "It is my professional opinion as a digital forensics expert and as an expert witness that any other competent digital forensics expert in the field would have been able to properly locate, identify, and interpret the exhibits, mentioned in my report , which consistently indicates that the user "xxx" was actively engaged in xxx over the course of at least 5 years." That really makes the other side's expert witness look like a big ol banana head.
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Re: why write AFOAF? (moved) [Re: maug]
#14972267 - 08/24/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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maug said: That really makes the other side's expert witness look like a big ol banana head.
I felt it appropriate 
what if a disk is encrypted? how would you then proceed?
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