Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
OfflineNoteworthy
Sophyphile
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/05/08
Posts: 5,599
Last seen: 11 years, 3 months
self-sustaining phenomenon
    #14925371 - 08/15/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Is there a name for a self-sustaining complexity in the universe?

Ie. a pattern of n degrees complexity that lasts for x years?

By complexity I mean any combination of properties, the number of interrelating properties being n. So a single unit is an object with properties, the unit being the collection of properties.

So in 'living' organisms, we can think of complexity in terms of the number of different cell types and the number of different cell functions.

In 'non' living compexities, we can see the crystal, over time more crystal of a very similar shape will grow. The similarity between the crystals is due to inherently similar properties present through the crystal.

Sometimes crystals, starting with no crystal, will form recognisable shapes that persist, grow, evolve, over time until they become unrecognisable. Crystals 'consume', or, 'conform' suitable molecules into their structure, reproducing patterns of simple complexity over and over again. Some crystals are boring and some are beautiful. They all grow from noncrystal, as a fluid or gas turns to a solid.

A star can be considered 'alive', like a bloated sloth, hanging around with a bazillion years of fuel in its blubber. The earth is less interesting because it does not shine, but it is like a dung-eater, living off the waste from the sloth. OR a flea enjoying the warmth. Further more are the 'mites and fungi' of the analogy - life as we know it, living in the warmth of the sloth and deoendent on the dung-eater 'Earth'.

These things are not usually considered to be alive, so is there a scientific word for the sort of thing that I am talking about?


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDieCommie

Registered: 12/11/03
Posts: 29,258
Re: self-sustaining phenomenon [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14925637 - 08/15/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What is a degree of complexity?  I've never heard of that before and google didnt give much.  Sounds like degree of freedom, is that what you mean?

Remember that complexity from a scientific context is not a well defined attribute.  Its a relative and hazy distinction between a complex system and a noncomplex system.

Perhaps that is what you mean from degree of complexity?  A measure of how much response in output you get from a particular input?


edit - Now Im wondering if you even mean complexity in the chaos/poincare sense?  Thats is what I think when I see compleixty, chaos and poincare.

Edited by DieCommie (08/15/11 11:59 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNoteworthy
Sophyphile
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/05/08
Posts: 5,599
Last seen: 11 years, 3 months
Re: self-sustaining phenomenon [Re: DieCommie]
    #14925841 - 08/15/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm... not degrees of freedom.

And not chaos.

But order.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDieCommie

Registered: 12/11/03
Posts: 29,258
Re: self-sustaining phenomenon [Re: Noteworthy] * 1
    #14925926 - 08/15/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think there is any scientific terminology or word for what you are talking about.  Order is a subjective term that means something different to different people in their own fields.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineChuangTzu
starvingphysicist
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/04/02
Posts: 3,060
Last seen: 10 years, 7 months
Re: self-sustaining phenomenon [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14926925 - 08/15/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe you'd be interested in negentropy...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSeussA
Error: divide byzero


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/27/01
Posts: 23,480
Loc: Caribbean
Last seen: 3 months, 8 days
Re: self-sustaining phenomenon [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14927255 - 08/15/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You might give http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life a read... it may be in the ballpark of what you are asking.


--------------------
Just another spore in the wind.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineiateshaggy
i haxor 360s
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 4,709
Loc: 612 Warf Avenue, next to....
Last seen: 2 months, 7 days
Re: self-sustaining phenomenon [Re: Seuss]
    #14928136 - 08/15/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

damn u seuss


--------------------
You are a filipina sex goddess who wants to fuck me until I fall asleep, so then you can tickle my balls and see if the legend of my diamond filled nutsuck is true.  I am a white man from costa rica, who smells like lime jello.


I can flash/jtag/repair 360's, pm for details.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Crystal Skulls SkorpivoMusterion 1,468 14 02/06/05 07:01 PM
by Vvellum
* Five suns phenomenon in Kazakhstan (video) kotik 781 5 09/28/07 04:16 PM
by PhanTomCat
* The effect of complex star gravities upon the development of human brains . Mirth 1,201 7 05/04/05 11:51 AM
by ChuangTzu
* Would somebody here care to explain this weather phenomenon?
( 1 2 all )
ivi 1,782 22 08/19/08 08:56 AM
by Jack Albertson
* New Supercomputer to Sustain 1 Quadrillion Floating Point Operations Per Second DiploidM 891 5 09/07/06 01:59 AM
by Konnrade
* 12 sustainable design ideas from nature elbisivni 564 1 05/01/08 10:25 PM
by elbisivni
* fractal, galaxy, dna 3d crystal kidna cool the man 464 0 08/21/07 11:47 PM
by the man
* The Science of Synesthesia JssMthrFcknChrst 1,144 1 05/01/03 03:03 PM
by JeRiKo1

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: trendal, automan, Northerner
636 topic views. 0 members, 0 guests and 1 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.027 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 14 queries.