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 Kickle
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 Are our analyses biased? I bet so. 
#14922238 - 08/14/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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"There is recent evidence that perceptual processes are
influenced by culture. Westerners tend to engage in
context-independent and analytic perceptual processes
by focusing on a salient object independently of its
context, whereas Asians tend to engage in contextdependent
and holistic perceptual processes by attending
to the relationship between the object and the
context in which the object is located. Recent research
has explored mechanisms underlying such cultural
differences, which indicate that participating in different
social practices leads to both chronic as well as temporary
shifts in perception. These findings establish a
dynamic relationship between the cultural context and
perceptual processes. We suggest that perception can
no longer be regarded as consisting of processes that
are universal across all people at all times."
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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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 Re: Are our analyses biased? I bet so. [Re: Kickle] 2
#14922268 - 08/14/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Western thinking leads to burger AND fries
while
Eastern thinking leads to mu shu pork WITH hoison sauce.
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Re: Are our analyses biased? I bet so. [Re: Kickle]
#14922272 - 08/14/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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for sure, i agree 
a lot of people think beliefs come from experience, but i think it's more that experience comes from beliefs
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Kickle
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Western thinking leads to burger AND fries
while
Eastern thinking leads to mu shu pork WITH hoison sauce.
that's fucking hilarious dude
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Re: Are our analyses biased? I bet so. [Re: Kickle] 1
#14922426 - 08/14/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are our analyses biased?
I'm turning Japanese I really think so.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Are our analyses biased? I bet so. [Re: Icelander]
#14922660 - 08/14/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do you think this is related to their language of symbolism, instead of an alphabet styled text? I bet so.
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Kickle
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Re: Are our analyses biased? I bet so. [Re: mushiepussy]
#14922687 - 08/14/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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What makes you say that?
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Re: Are our analyses biased? I bet so. [Re: Kickle]
#14922700 - 08/14/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think it might have to do with strong sense of family and group mentality in the east and a strong sense of individualism in the west.. maybe 
also eastern wisdom traiditions are big into interdependence and unity whereas western scientific models usually employ analyses of discrete parts.. maybe?
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Re: Are our analyses biased? I bet so. [Re: deff]
#14922810 - 08/14/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Certainly something to that
"In one illustrative study [7], both rural Chinese and
American children were presented with pictures that
consisted of three objects (e.g. a man, a woman and a baby)
and were asked to pick two objects out of three that went
together. Whereas Chinese children tended to group two
objects on the basis of the relational-contextual information
(e.g. a woman and a baby are grouped together
‘because the mother takes care of the baby’), American
children tended to group objects based on shared analytic
features or shared categories (e.g. a man and a woman are
grouped together ‘because they are adults’)."
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Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: Are our analyses biased? I bet so. [Re: Kickle]
#14922884 - 08/14/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here's a little test for you guys...
Which group is most similar to the "target object"
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Kickle
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Re: Are our analyses biased? I bet so. [Re: Kickle]
#14924687 - 08/15/11 07:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Typical results:
group 1 in blue
group 2 in red
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Re: Are our analyses biased? I bet so. [Re: Icelander]
#14924772 - 08/15/11 08:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Turning Japanese
Maybe this explains why I never had an Asian woman. I think too linear or some shit like that.
Oh wait I think too Lunar oh yea
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Re: Are our analyses biased? I bet so. [Re: LunarEclipse]
#14942184 - 08/18/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Earth knows not to put all its eggs in one basket.
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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker
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Re: Are our analyses biased? I bet so. [Re: crkhd]
#14942231 - 08/18/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
crkhd said:
Earth knows not to put all its eggs in one basket.
on the flip side, miscegenation is good for the genome.
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Re: Are our analyses biased? I bet so. [Re: sonoffox]
#14942242 - 08/18/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
sonoffox said:
Quote:
crkhd said:
Earth knows not to put all its eggs in one basket.
on the flip side, miscegenation is good for the genome.
The modus operandi of nature is to cyclically diversify and reintegrate.
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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker
"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific
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Re: Are our analyses biased? I bet so. [Re: crkhd]
#14943120 - 08/18/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
crkhd said:
Earth knows not to put all its eggs in one basket.
Yeah I think there is something to that. Especially on an individual level it's easy to see a large variety of perspectives. But to have such a dichotomous split on such a large scale is strange don't you think?
I mean I'm picturing a tree from which perspectives branch out. Except that it isn't one single tree that branches out, it's two trees that branch out. There's a lot of individual perspectives about the context. And there's a bunch of individual perspectives about the objects. And science is one very effective perspective for describing objects. What is an effective perspective for describing context?
Perhaps seeing that science is embedded in the context of a culture that has an objective perspective? 
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Re: Are our analyses biased? I bet so. [Re: Kickle]
#14945726 - 08/19/11 03:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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What is an effective perspective for describing context?
Philosophy?
Not sure what you mean by context though. I'm sticking to philosophy, if my perspective is correct.
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