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johnm214 said:
I find myself, more and more, noticing and almost cringing when I see references to the Matrix movie.  This movie presents a situations in which the world exists separate from the reality experienced by people and that the later is an elaborate hoax.

I seems that in both conspiracy ramblings and in philosophical discussions, references to the Matrix are sure to accompany nonsense.

Part of me even doubts the post with Matrix-references will have any value because someone who's only reference to the various ideas presented in the movie is unlikely to have thought them through very much.

I mean, the Matrix's world doesn't even really make sense to begin with, and yet I'm constantly hearing silly arguments based on it and posters that seem to regard the concepts as something new and great.

Am I alone in cringing when I hear these references and immediately imagining the poster's idea is likely garbage?

Just had to vent, that feels better. 

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blingbling said:
sometimes when you get really intense deja vu you see glitches in the matrix... serious.

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johnm214 said:
I find myself, more and more, noticing and almost cringing when I see references to the Matrix movie.  This movie presents a situations in which the world exists separate from the reality experienced by people and that the later is an elaborate hoax.

I seems that in both conspiracy ramblings and in philosophical discussions, references to the Matrix are sure to accompany nonsense.

Part of me even doubts the post with Matrix-references will have any value because someone who's only reference to the various ideas presented in the movie is unlikely to have thought them through very much.

I mean, the Matrix's world doesn't even really make sense to begin with, and yet I'm constantly hearing silly arguments based on it and posters that seem to regard the concepts as something new and great.

Am I alone in cringing when I hear these references and immediately imagining the poster's idea is likely garbage?

Just had to vent, that feels better. 

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johnm214 said:
Well, my whole point was that the ideas weren't novel and yet the movie is constantly refrenced in rather silly discussions/threads to the exclusion of other refrences exploring the same idea, so I'm not sure why you've concluded that I don't see the commonality of the theme with other works/ideas when that was the whole point.

Further, your premise that I don't understand *something* wasn't explained nor substantiated at all, so it's unclear how you get that from my post (or wherever it came from). 

Constant refrences to "the matrix" (the concept of the fabricated reality) accompany silly poorly thought out posts on all manner of topics as touched on in the original post, and they're usually crap from what I've seen- probably because those who'd refrence the movie as if it were the definitive exposition on these concepts haven't put any thought into it nor considered others' thoughts and hence produce pretty vapid discussions of their thesis.  (or, in a more arrogant-sounding way: they're just simpletons grasping at mass media for petty insights)

In any case, your post seemed pretty pointlessly aggressive: what's the basis for all those conclusions as to my nature?

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johnm214 said:
garbage?

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johnm214 said:
Well, my whole point was that the ideas weren't novel and yet the movie is constantly refrenced in rather silly discussions/threads to the exclusion of other refrences exploring the same idea, so I'm not sure why you've concluded that I don't see the commonality of the theme with other works/ideas when that was the whole point.

Further, your premise that I don't understand *something* wasn't explained nor substantiated at all, so it's unclear how you get that from my post (or wherever it came from). 

Constant refrences to "the matrix" (the concept of the fabricated reality) accompany silly poorly thought out posts on all manner of topics as touched on in the original post, and they're usually crap from what I've seen- probably because those who'd refrence the movie as if it were the definitive exposition on these concepts haven't put any thought into it nor considered others' thoughts and hence produce pretty vapid discussions of their thesis.  (or, in a more arrogant-sounding way: they're just simpletons grasping at mass media for petty insights)

In any case, your post seemed pretty pointlessly aggressive: what's the basis for all those conclusions as to my nature?

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Well, since you are making open-ended pronouncements about referencing 'silly,' 'crappy' posts on The Matrix, and since I have on numerous occasions been one of those individuals who has made such references, you were taking an aggressive stance toward ME. "Crap," "garbage," and "vapid" do not describe my posts, so, as the expression goes, 'you can't be talking about me.' Nevertheless, it was YOU that assumed a ranting stance in the first place. At worst, I'm taking a defensive stance toward the quality of my thoughts.
I did not think that you could appreciate the wealth of ideas that the Wachowski brothers put into this trilogy, which like lots of things in life, from Brussels sprouts to cognac, takes time to appreciate.

The Matrix utilized not only Buddhist and Gnostic apprehensions about matter-mind, space-time, and then cast those concepts in a starkly materialistic, futuristic, and hellish idiom, which, IMO was brilliant. The Architect is a William Blakian parallel to his demiurgic, Gnostic creator. The Architect and the Oracle parallel one set of the 30 Gnostic Syzygies in Gnostic mythologies, wherein one of the Archons (according to the Gnostic Basilides) goes rogue, just like Agent Smith. Buddhism is present in the spoon-bending savant, Hindu thought with Sati and her family. "Temet Nosce"  (the Latin translation of my sig - "Gnothi Sauton" ) adopted by Socrates from the Oracle at Delphi, was a sign which hung in the Oracle's kitchen. So, more philosophy and even myth was enjoined in the film. That "Zion" was a subterranean 'cave,' like the myth of Plato's cave, and yet, 'another level of control,' opens up further speculations on the free-will/determinism continuum, regarding the AI of the so-called remnant humans (or what remained of human consciousness held in an electronic matrix), and of the Architect's AI. Good and evil flow from this dichotomy.

I could pontificate at great length, but the artistic form into which the Wachowski's cast these timeless, archetypal themes was ingenius. If other posters who intuit the profundity I have, but who have been unable to write a more eloquent or more comprehending post, why do you think you are in a position to make blanket statements about the vapidity of their posts? If you can't take criticism, don't dish it out. If you dish it out, do so selectively, then be ready for rebuttal.

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johnm214 said:
garbage?

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If you are modestly well read (or even just modestly rational and well thought), and you expect most posts on a philosophy sub-forum of a drug website to be informative or carry any insight to you, then your expectations are unreasonable.

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