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Ripe fruit?
    #14908430 - 08/11/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wouldn't the fruit closer distance to the tip of the roots ripen quicker than the ones further away?

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Re: Ripe fruit? [Re: giza] * 1
    #14908483 - 08/11/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'd assume the opposite


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Re: Ripe fruit? [Re: BaSSidio Head]
    #14908817 - 08/11/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

giza what is your reasoning?

are you thinking about nutrients?

what about hormones?

there are hormone systems all throughout a plant, passing from every tip to every other.

Branching tends to occur close to the roots, whereas flowering tends to occur far from it.

this is so that there is stability in the centre of the plant, and then great access to flowers/fruit by putting them at the outside of the plant


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Re: Ripe fruit? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14908867 - 08/11/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh, I see.. going to have to think of that part a little more.
Trying to figure out what it needs and how much it needs in order to fruit.

Trying to start at the more simple explanation of it before advancing to details in order to break down thoroughly.
Have another few questions.. if you don't mind, and have some time.

Is feces the soil that a human needs to grow as well?
Don't we always burn up the nutrients in our feces?
Do we utilize for maximum feeding of the body processes?

If we had an 'organic' non 'animal' diet and eventually passed the 'animal' and had pure organic 'soil' (feces) wouldn't the processed nutrients of the plant interact with each other because of how broken down they become? Or do we simply just use that as storage and if the body needs it, it will use it?

Also about a pure 'organic soil' (feces) in the body and we ate seeds.. could we not use our 'organic soil' (feces) as soil and just put it in a hole. If it's purely organic, it needs organic to grow, right?

Edited by giza (08/11/11 10:02 PM)

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Re: Ripe fruit? [Re: giza]
    #14911721 - 08/12/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Im going to respond to your post backwards..

first - birds do just this, they eat fruit and shit the seeds out into a puddle of nutrients.

second - i dont know what interactions you speak of

third - if a human wants to grow plants it is good to use faeces. But faeces of carnivorous or omnivorous animals often can be unhygenic to have in the garden.
The nutrients that one organism doesnt need, some plant will probably enjoy.
Or a maggot
or mushroom!


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Re: Ripe fruit? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14911812 - 08/12/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I see, I appreciate the insight.

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Re: Ripe fruit? [Re: giza]
    #14913589 - 08/12/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i appreciate your imagination


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Re: Ripe fruit? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14913866 - 08/12/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks,
If animal matter is harmful to the growth of a seed, how is it not harmful to us?

I don't think it's the meat that people are addicted to I think it's the texture.
If you think about it in order to meat have flavor, a plant material is used.

And if you think about animal anatomy their meat is really just the plant material the animal ate.

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Re: Ripe fruit? [Re: giza]
    #14913982 - 08/12/11 11:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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giza said:
If animal matter is harmful to the growth of a seed, how is it not harmful to us?




We're not plants?  :shrug:

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I don't think it's the meat that people are addicted to I think it's the texture.




I don't really eat meat, but I don't agree with that.  Different people have different tastes.

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If you think about it in order to meat have flavor, a plant material is used.




The animal converts the plant material to other things which becomes meat, etc.

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And if you think about animal anatomy their meat is really just the plant material the animal ate.




No, it's chemically different at that point.  If what you're saying were true, we could just eat pure carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, etc...  It's the chemical arrangement that matters, not the source.

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Re: Ripe fruit? [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14914223 - 08/13/11 01:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ah, I see. Ty.

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Re: Ripe fruit? [Re: giza]
    #14918227 - 08/13/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i dont think the animal matter is bad for plants, it is bad for us. Because it holds deseases that we (not plants) are susceptible to. It also breeds maggots and flies that we humans are disgusted by (largely because they are a symbol of rotting meat, which generally contains diseases that will infect us)

i think that our tongue cannot really taste that many constituents of food (dispite a wider range than taught in school). If you could get convincing vegetarian stuff, it would be popular. Especially if you didnt TELL people it was vegetarian (their minds devalue the experience because they value meat so much, even though it is an irrational desire. I partake in it too, but thats because it is rare to find convincingly meaty vegetarian food)


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Re: Ripe fruit? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14919517 - 08/14/11 07:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't want my veggies to taste like meat. I hate when I go to vegetarian/vegan restaurants and they have a 'pork substitute', shit is gross


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Re: Ripe fruit? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14919531 - 08/14/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol @ whole thread; no. 

Every fruit begins as a flower.  The fruit will form after the flower is pollinated, regardless of location on tree.     

Ripening date is subject to several factors.  Some fruit requires night temps to dip before they ripen, some wait for the plant to produce massive doses of the hormone ethylene, and others ripen no matter what after a certain amount of days after pollination. 

/plant pathologist


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Re: Ripe fruit? [Re: M.Reynolds]
    #14923518 - 08/14/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wouldnt these night temperature dips be associated with hormone systems? all of the temperature related/ sunlight related systems that I learned about in biology were. In fact I cannot see how a fruit would ripen, or any plant process occur, without some sort of hormones (or antagonisation of hormones) telling the cells to alter/maintain their function. Of course some systems might be self contained and thus not relate to the general structure of the plant, but in general they do.

how often to flowers occur on the trunk of a tree or on the most inner branches? much less than on the tips of branches, where the flowers can be visible.

so I dont understand what is so funny or wrong about these notions. Care to elaborate?


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Re: Ripe fruit? [Re: BaSSidio Head]
    #14923529 - 08/14/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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BaSSidio Head said:
I don't want my veggies to taste like meat. I hate when I go to vegetarian/vegan restaurants and they have a 'pork substitute', shit is gross





yes i think meat substitutes are gross. But thats not what it means to taste like meat. If you tasted a new meat, it would be meaty. similarly, a good vegetarian meat substitute would be meaty, without trying to be something that it is not. (it is simply a 'meaty' tasting dish, rather than an attempt to replicate an actual  meat)


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