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 Seanfu
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 Cherokee prophecy read 
#14896467 - 08/09/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I thought I would post this. I rarely want to share anything I read but even if fiction this to me is an interesting read. It is a few prophetic claims of the Cherokee that parallel other native prophecies.
It speaks on current affairs and potential uniting of the earth. There is also a creation myth included.
Cherokee prophecies
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Re: Cherokee prophecy read [Re: Seanfu]
#14896541 - 08/09/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey. I have been lurking on these boards for quite some time, but this required my response.
I wish more native people in my area would read this. I am a westerner who has been called to the shamanic path. It started about twelve years ago, but there were signs earlier, I just didn't understand them. Today, I am a member of the shamanic community, though I would never consider myself a shaman (that would kind of be like electing yourself as a bishop or something.) But there is a very big controversy in that community with new age hipsters claiming they are authentic (wearing dream-catchers and turquoise) and the native americans who hate any white involvement.
What happens when the children of the tribes are so bitter that they would rather let mother earth die than share their knowledge? Admittedly, the vast majority of the whites involved are fake, silly and culturally ignorant, but the rage from the tribes is loud. Very, very loud.
I would never pretend to be a member of the native variety of shamanism. Someone recently said we need "to dream a new dream."
Thanks for sharing. 
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"Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes." ~Walt
"Surprised, are you? Yes, I am extra, a gift, superfluous to the necessary, a proof of the generosity concealed in everything." ~Doris Lessing
"I searched for God and found only myself.
I searched for myself and found only God." Rumi
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Re: Cherokee prophecy read [Re: sonoffox]
#14896601 - 08/09/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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sonoffox said:
Hey. I have been lurking on these boards for quite some time, but this required my response.
I wish more native people in my area would read this. I am a westerner who has been called to the shamanic path. It started about twelve years ago, but there were signs earlier, I just didn't understand them. Today, I am a member of the shamanic community, though I would never consider myself a shaman (that would kind of be like electing yourself as a bishop or something.) But there is a very big controversy in that community with new age hipsters claiming they are authentic (wearing dream-catchers and turquoise) and the native americans who hate any white involvement.
What happens when the children of the tribes are so bitter that they would rather let mother earth die than share their knowledge? Admittedly, the vast majority of the whites involved are fake, silly and culturally ignorant, but the rage from the tribes is loud. Very, very loud.
I would never pretend to be a member of the native variety of shamanism. Someone recently said we need "to dream a new dream."
Thanks for sharing.
Nice to see someone appreciate
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Re: Cherokee prophecy read [Re: Seanfu]
#14897271 - 08/09/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I really appreciate you sharing this brother, I am very interested and fond of Native American culture and prophecies! That link was a great read and I took a lot from it. Always interests me how closely related all indigenous prophecies seem to be.
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Re: Cherokee prophecy read [Re: sonoffox]
#14899723 - 08/10/11 04:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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sonoffox said:
Hey. I have been lurking on these boards for quite some time, but this required my response.
I wish more native people in my area would read this. I am a westerner who has been called to the shamanic path. It started about twelve years ago, but there were signs earlier, I just didn't understand them. Today, I am a member of the shamanic community, though I would never consider myself a shaman (that would kind of be like electing yourself as a bishop or something.) But there is a very big controversy in that community with new age hipsters claiming they are authentic (wearing dream-catchers and turquoise) and the native americans who hate any white involvement.
What happens when the children of the tribes are so bitter that they would rather let mother earth die than share their knowledge? Admittedly, the vast majority of the whites involved are fake, silly and culturally ignorant, but the rage from the tribes is loud. Very, very loud.
I would never pretend to be a member of the native variety of shamanism. Someone recently said we need "to dream a new dream."
Thanks for sharing.
What happened to the Native American people after the Europeans landed is terrible--a Holocaust, and a terrible Ecocide.
I was aware of the resentment native American tribal people feel for the white new agers who take on ridiculous-sounding 'Indian names' and then pretend to actually be from a certain tribe and claim to offer 'shamanic healing' for money (real Native American healers do not charge people money), and seell other services etc. They call them new age plastic shamans. In full sympathy, I joined a forum supposedly run by Native Americns called whose purpose it is to expose these charlatans, but what I found there was a very severe moderator who was ON me right at the beginning with a very agressive manner. I found the whole vibe there very non accepting of my inquiries. And I saw how a westerner who practices shamanism with ayahuasca in South America was interrogated by the people there. So I found it all very confining, and not my scene at all! My whole way is encouraging the freedom to question, so I hate any authoritarian structure which discourages it
There HAS to be a meeting between peoples. There cannot be exclusive tribes anymore, and tribal wars--that is clear. Diversity yes. So this meeting must be radical. It is understanding a common spirituality which connects us all with Mother Earth.
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Re: Cherokee prophecy read [Re: zzripz]
#14899733 - 08/10/11 04:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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zzripz said:There HAS to be a meeting between peoples. There cannot be exclusive tribes anymore, and tribal wars--that is clear.
In a perfect world. Trite phrasing, I know.
I don't see a universally-accepting meeting of humanity anytime soon, or ever. 
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zzripz said:There HAS to be a meeting between peoples. There cannot be exclusive tribes anymore, and tribal wars--that is clear.
In a perfect world. Trite phrasing, I know.
I don't see a universally-accepting meeting of humanity anytime soon, or ever.
Because this is the world and culture you live in. I'm sure this opinion would change otherwise. I am younger than a lot who frequent here but I have heard a lot of things about people not having to worry about their kids chilling around town in the 50's 60's when there was less policing even.
Granted nations have fought forever, but those in power of nations have always been the ones power hungry enough to want to be in power of nations. It doesnt reflect the people.
I dont even think the German populace at the time of the NAZI's were that bad at all. Just brainwashed. I mean right now we are occupying the middle east and killing many innocents but the people arent the ones supporting that. We are just living our lives.
If there were no borders and inequality was much lesser I believe crime to nill. Without borders we wouldnt fight over them.
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Re: Cherokee prophecy read [Re: zzripz]
#14900578 - 08/10/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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zzripz said:
In full sympathy, I joined a forum supposedly run by Native Americns called whose purpose it is to expose these charlatans, but what I found there was a very severe moderator who was ON me right at the beginning with a very agressive manner. I found the whole vibe there very non accepting of my inquiries. And I saw how a westerner who practices shamanism with ayahuasca in South America was interrogated by the people there. So I found it all very confining, and not my scene at all! My whole way is encouraging the freedom to question, so I hate any authoritarian structure which discourages it
There HAS to be a meeting between peoples. There cannot be exclusive tribes anymore, and tribal wars--that is clear. Diversity yes. So this meeting must be radical. It is understanding a common spirituality which connects us all with Mother Earth.
thanks for your similar experiences...i was honestly feeling like a tool over this and hearing someone concur reinvigorates my resolve.
the "plastics" are yes a problem. but what do they think happens when you live in a plastic world, right? the "for pay" thing is probably the most offensive, but i am also involved in tarot and they have a philosophy on payment that i do like. payment adds a sense of worth to the process. a sliding scale for those who can't afford, maybe. not saying i would charge, but to my knowledge many tribes required gifts be given to a shaman when there was a success. just avoid that commercialism and a little quid pro quo isn't necessarily always unspiritual.
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"Surprised, are you? Yes, I am extra, a gift, superfluous to the necessary, a proof of the generosity concealed in everything." ~Doris Lessing
"I searched for God and found only myself.
I searched for myself and found only God." Rumi
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Re: Cherokee prophecy read [Re: Seanfu]
#14901128 - 08/10/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting, but no mention of the parasites at the top, or the spell that is money. Although Russel Means has talked about both, and has said that the Indian Reservation model is how people will be collected and managed.
http://www.russellmeans.com/
ell Means has lived a life like few others in this century - revered for his selfless accomplishments and remarkable bravery. He was born into a society and guided by way of life that gently denies the self in order to promote the survival and betterment of family and community. His culture is driven by tradition, which at once links the past to the present.
The L.A. Times has called him the most famous American Indian since Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse. His indomitable sense of pride and leadership has become embedded in our national character. Today, his path has brought him to Hollywood, thus enabling him to use different means to communicate his vital truths. Through the power of media, his vision is to create peaceful and positive images celebrating the magic and mystery of his American Indian heritage. In contemplating the fundamental issues about the world in which we live, he is committed to educating all people about our most crucial battle - the preservation of the earth.
Thirty years ago, reflecting the consciousness of the sixties, he captured national attention when he led the 71-day armed takeover on the sacred grounds of Wounded Knee, a tiny hamlet in the heart of South Dakota's Pine Ridge Reservation. Means joined The Longest Walk in 1978 to protest a new tide of anti-Indian legislation including the forced sterilization of Indian women. Following the walk, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a resolution saying that national policy was to protect the rights of Indians, to believe, express and exercise their traditional religions, including but not limited to access to sites, use and possession of sacred objects, and the freedom to worship through ceremonials and traditional rites.
Today, with the same passionate determination, he has directed his energy towards the entertainment industry. In a record period of time, this famed political activist and early leader of the American Indian Movement (AIM) has become immersed in all five corners of the business, with projects including: Lead roles in major feature films, (The Last of the Mohicans, Oliver Stone's Natural Born Killers, as a chief in John Candy's comedy Wagons East and as the ghost of Jim Thorpe in Wind Runner); Disney's third highest ever selling video (Pocahantas) in which he was the voice of Pocahontas' father, a television documentary for HBO (Paha Sapa), (Indian Father and Son) a pilot he created; Two albums of protest music with lyrics he wrote (Electric Warrior and The Radical). On the technological side, he stars in a CD-ROM (Under A Killing Moon) and has created his own website www.russellmeans.com. The website features information regarding the A.I.M. club, his recordings via the American Indian Music Company, his art, book, current events, biography and upcoming appearances and direct e-mail to Russell. Born on South Dakota's Pine Ridge Reservation in 1939, Russell Means is the eldest son of Hank Means, an Oglala Sioux, and Theodora (Feather) Means, a full-blooded Yankton Sioux. Shortly after the outbreak of WWII, his family moved to California, where he graduated from San Leandro High in 1958 and continued his formal education at Oakland City College and Arizona State.
Russell's commitment to uplift the plight of his people escalated when he served as director of Cleveland's American Indian Center. It was there he met Dennis Banks, co-founder of the American Indian Movement, and embarked upon a relationship that would rocket them both into national prominence. During this period, Russell staged numerous events designed to bring dignity to the American Indian. His most famous act of defiance, however, occurred at Wounded Knee on February 27, 1973. Responding to the numerous murders perpetrated by puppet tribal governments and the extreme conditions of oppression, the takeover at Wounded Knee revisited the sight of the American Indian massacre at the hands of U.S. soldiers in 1890. Ever vigilant for his cause, Russell has been lauded by the international community for his tireless efforts.
Russell splits his time between San Jose, NM, his ranch on the Pine Ridge Sioux Indian reservation, Porcupine, SD and his office in Santa Monica, CA. He takes pride in having instituted programs for the betterment of his people: notable, the Porcupine Health Clinic (the only non government funded clinic in Indian Country) and KILI radio, the first Indian owned radio station. Today, one of his principle goals is the establishment of a Total Immersion School, which is based on a concept created by the Maori people of New Zealand, where children are immersed in the language, culture, science, music and storytelling of their own people. Russell will adapt this total immersion concept to the Indian way of life and philosophy which is taught from a perspective that will nurture a new generation of proud children educated in the context of their own heritage.
Russell Means has devoted his life to eliminating racism of any kind, and in so doing he leaves a historical imprint as the most revolutionary Indian leader of the late twentieth century. An inspirational visionary, Russell Means remains one of the most magnetic voices in America today. Whether leading a protest, fighting for constitutional rights, starring in a motion picture, or performing his rap-ajo music, the message he delvers is consistent with the philosophy he lives by, which states:
The Universe which controls all life, has a female and male balance that is prevalent throughout our Sacred Grandmother, the Earth.
This balance has to be acknowledged and become the determining factor in all of one's decisions, be they spiritual, social, healthful, educational or economical.
Once the balance has become an integral part of one's life, all planning, research, direct action and follow-up becomes a matter of course. The goals that were targeted become a reality on a consistent basis. Good things happen to good People; remember time is on your side.
Mitaku Oyasin (we are all related)
Russell Means 1997
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Re: Cherokee prophecy read [Re: zzripz]
#14903882 - 08/10/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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zzripz said:
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sonoffox said:
Hey. I have been lurking on these boards for quite some time, but this required my response.
I wish more native people in my area would read this. I am a westerner who has been called to the shamanic path. It started about twelve years ago, but there were signs earlier, I just didn't understand them. Today, I am a member of the shamanic community, though I would never consider myself a shaman (that would kind of be like electing yourself as a bishop or something.) But there is a very big controversy in that community with new age hipsters claiming they are authentic (wearing dream-catchers and turquoise) and the native americans who hate any white involvement.
What happens when the children of the tribes are so bitter that they would rather let mother earth die than share their knowledge? Admittedly, the vast majority of the whites involved are fake, silly and culturally ignorant, but the rage from the tribes is loud. Very, very loud.
I would never pretend to be a member of the native variety of shamanism. Someone recently said we need "to dream a new dream."
Thanks for sharing.
What happened to the Native American people after the Europeans landed is terrible--a Holocaust, and a terrible Ecocide.
I was aware of the resentment native American tribal people feel for the white new agers who take on ridiculous-sounding 'Indian names' and then pretend to actually be from a certain tribe and claim to offer 'shamanic healing' for money (real Native American healers do not charge people money), and seell other services etc. They call them new age plastic shamans. In full sympathy, I joined a forum supposedly run by Native Americns called whose purpose it is to expose these charlatans, but what I found there was a very severe moderator who was ON me right at the beginning with a very agressive manner. I found the whole vibe there very non accepting of my inquiries. And I saw how a westerner who practices shamanism with ayahuasca in South America was interrogated by the people there. So I found it all very confining, and not my scene at all! My whole way is encouraging the freedom to question, so I hate any authoritarian structure which discourages it
There HAS to be a meeting between peoples. There cannot be exclusive tribes anymore, and tribal wars--that is clear. Diversity yes. So this meeting must be radical. It is understanding a common spirituality which connects us all with Mother Earth.
Honestly guys I wouldn't be offended by this sort of thing at all. Most tribe members are very far removed from the spiritual teachings because that's the way a tribal system works. The role of prayer keeper, medicine man, medicine woman, etc. etc. is exclusive and hand-picked. It isn't an "open" source of knowledge, it's exclusive. So if you feel excluded, welcome to the tribe.
There are aspects that trickle into the lives of the tribe such as group rituals or lands to pay respect to or to avoid. But the way that power is transferred in a tribal system is very intimate and not something to be given away without serious consideration. Many tribes get VERY upset when a power item ends up in a museum or the hands of a private collector. They'd much rather see it destroyed than improperly handled. And that is quite simply why the individuals who are chosen to receive the teachings are hand picked. A wrong choice means disaster.
Someone from a religion that proselytizes often doesn't understand this aspect IMO and typically comes off as quite offensive when they feel more than deserving to know very well guarded information.
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Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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