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My response to Government
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Hello people. As some of you know I wrote to the government last year and got a pretty shitty response. (Thread-http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13801783)
Since then I've not only made a short vid posted on youtube (link on my signature), but I've been writing my response to the government which was just emailed. I'll post their reply as soon as I get it. Again, sorry for the length, my aim is to completely stump them, then sue them.
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If you don't respect and understand the drug you are about to take, you shouldn't be doing it. youtube vid - 'the truth about drugs' - (part 2) http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTheOutspoken
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Here it is............
Your ref: T16049/10 - 05 October 2010
Dear Cyrille Marcel,
I truly do not wish to cause any offence with anything I say, I fully understand this is a very serious topic, however, it cannot be ignored for much longer. I have not only seen with my own eyes the severity of the situation, but have experienced it first hand. Now, with the rioting, I hope you can now see the danger of allowing these criminal gangs to profit and grow. I am trying to be as open and honest with you, as a fellow human being, to help protect society, to build a better, safer community. I understand my choices you may not approve of , or condone, but I am trying to highlight the problems you face trying to control the personal choice of every individual and the consequences of your actions. I urge you to view my video which I have posted online, http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTheOutspoken?feature=mhee
After reading your response, I have a few points to raise if possible.
“I would like to renew our thanks for your interest in the drug strategy as well as for sharing your friend’s personal experience of issues around drug misuse as a response to the consultation. ”
I need to highlight, that I believe my main issue was ignored as you clearly state ‘drug misuse’ yet nowhere do you mention responsible drug use. I am not arguing that drugs are harmful to your heath, some may risk your life, in many peoples eyes drugs are ‘morally wrong’. However most of those beliefs stem from an untrue stereotype and stigma surrounding drug use. There are many sports, activities that seriously endanger life and pose massive health risks. People can get plastic surgery for non-medical procedures with massive risks. Some people believe that drugs being illegal is a prevention, when it actually prevents nothing. If the drug dealers can reach Prince Harry, what hope do your children, family or friends have? I do not take an illegal drug because it is illegal, I use them because they are enjoyable, I use them because I react well to them. I use them with respect, I use them responsibly and I try my hardest to eliminate my contact with drug gangs as much as I can, yet I constantly see new recruits looking up in awe at the main dealers and gangs believing them to be ‘brothers/family’, that has nothing to do with ‘drug misuse’.
“The consultation document set out the Government’s strategic vision on drug misuse. The aim of this targeted consultation was not to review the current legislative framework, but to seek the views of drugs sector and partners in the early stages of the development of the drug strategy, around its four key themes.”
In order to gain full knowledge and control means every option and must be looked at fully, even options you personally would prefer to stay closed. You not only need the support and advice from others, you need support from the public, which is clear on a day to day basis, you have no support from the public. What your response says to me, is you are not prepared to listen to all the evidence, you are denying facts, you fail to acknowledge the clear distinction between drug use and drug misuse, regardless of what drug or its legal status. Unfortunately, you cannot sideline people like me because you disagree with what we have to say. The wording ‘drug misuse’ is clear evidence of the biased viewpoints and misconceptions revolving around drugs which are openly broadcast by the government, this links me and associates me with criminal acts, criminal activity, drug misuse with no valid reasoning or justification, this is a clear distinction of deformation of character. You cannot say that if I use cannabis/cocaine/mdma/lsd responsibly I ‘misuse’ drugs and be persecuted for that, then say it is okay for me to be an alcoholic and NOT face prosecution even though the clear fact is that I misuse this drug. There is no difference between using cannabis and using alcohol, they are both drugs. If it is your opinion that ‘drugs’ in general are bad, then alcohol and tobacco must also be included in that statement and dealt with in accordance with the same laws. You cannot discriminate against me using one form of drug, then use another form of drug yourself. You must accept the fact there is a clear distinction between responsible drug use and irresponsible misuse of drugs, that the two are not the same, with all drugs, legal status is irrelevant. Almost every drug has abuse, misuse, danger of death and health risks (including solvents, prescription medication, legal highs and alcohol). The fact remains there needs to be a clear line set between misusing drugs and responsibly using drugs. There needs to be a clear line between being under the influence of a drug, and committing a true crime (assault/theft). At the moment, these lines are not separated, so normal drug use can escalate to a drug problem, and because of the criminal side, more likely to become involved in other crimes. You will never gain control of the ‘misuse’ of illegal drugs while you openly allow and ignore the misuse of your own drug.
“We want to disrupt drug supply, strengthen enforcement and promote drug treatment with a focus on enabling people to become free of addiction, to recover fully and contribute to society and to prevent drug taking.”
Alcohol prohibition in the 1920’s only created one thing, crime. We had Al-Capone gangs, corrupting society at every level (the public, the police and government officials). The governments realised this prohibition law did not work in any way, so the law was changed. As I highlighted in my story, people do not use drugs because they are illegal, they use them because they are enjoyable. As with alcohol we have responsible use and misuse, there is a clear distinction between the two, yet every alcohol user is not put in the same class as an alcoholic. The ban on alcohol did not stop people from drinking, the ban on gambling did not stop people gambling, the ban on prostitution did not stop women from becoming prostitutes and even though it was a criminal activity, did not stop men from having sex with them. These laws did not protect people, they cut out a huge part of society, they criminalized normal people, they did more harm than good. Unfortunately, the ban on drugs is exactly the same, with the same results. With what has happened over the last few days, it is impossible to deny the facts.
To highlight ‘strengthen enforcement’ I quote from my story. “We need to look at countries like Thailand and America, in Thailand there is the death penalty for drugs, has it stopped drug use? In America the police can entrap you, arrest you and will imprison you for a small amount of cannabis, has it stopped drug use?” I state again, I enjoy using drugs as most people enjoy alcohol, you refuse to ban alcohol, so I ask why should I not use alternative drugs? If you are not prepared to stop using the drug you enjoy (alcohol), I will take the same stand.
Then you talk about drug treatment, my friend who was addicted to heroin had been to rehab three times, each time he was released he was put back into the same community, same streets, same friends and got tempted back by the same dealers (who didn‘t care about him being clean and gave it to him anyway), getting hooked once again. Because you cannot control who sells the drugs, where the drugs are sold, you can control nothing. Unfortunately rehab can on occasions be a waste of time and money.
If you are adamant to ‘prevent drug taking’ , when will you ban nicotine and alcohol? They are both drugs and kill millions of people worldwide. Why wont you ban them? The answer, money (and the fact you use these drugs), yet you fail to recognise the drug industry is a billion pound industry, that currently, because of your law, only funds crime and criminal activity, that is your choice. You fail to recognise that it is my personal choice to use whichever drug I enjoy, which is no different to the choice you have made to use the drug you enjoy, alcohol. The difference between us is that I accept your choice to use alcohol, why will you not accept mine?
“The international dimension of drug misuse issues and its legislative control is a global problem which poses an ongoing threat to people in many countries worldwide.”
The only reason there is a global threat is because of the law and the legal status. The criminals it makes, the drug gangs it creates. Innocent people are caught in the crossfire. That is not the drugs fault, nor the people who use the drugs, it is a direct bi-product of the law. As I stated in my story, there are only 2 options.
Option 1) Drugs are illegal, which creates drug gangs, it creates criminals, it creates crime, the only people to profit are the criminal organisations and they have no concerns of the rights of others. It cuts off innocent members of society and pays for weapons, bribes, corruption and murder. Innocent drug users are scared of the police and less likely to report crimes. The government have control of nothing (age limits, quality control, who makes/sells the drugs).
Option 2) Drugs are legislated. Which creates jobs, creates quality control. Age limits are set. The country profits, through the tax from the jobs, also the duty paid by the users. It distinguishes the difference between using drugs responsibly, safely and committing a true crime. Like now with alcohol, you can drink, but you cannot commit a crime under the influence. People are treated like normal citizens and more prepared to support the police. The government have full control, where they are made, the standards and quality they are made to, who they are made by, where they are sold, who they are sold by and who and what age group they are sold to.
If the government continues option 1, I see nothing but more deaths, more corruption and a world full of violence. Now I see children taking drugs age 9, I see teenagers turning to crime and I see criminal gangs running our streets with the public living in fear, how much worse do things have to get before the government finally realise that option 1 does not and never will work.
“We have no plans to decriminalise drug use. Our approach shall continue to be based on the principles of shared responsibility and proportionality and takes account of all those affected, including dependent drug users, in full respect of fundamental freedoms and human rights. ”
My own personal drug use should not infringe upon innocent peoples rights. However, because the law creates crime, creates criminals, creates drug gangs, the rights of others are violated. That is not a choice directly by the drug user. The drug law creates this infringement of others rights.
The law itself is a direct violation of many basic human rights. The fact that the dangers and misuse of alcohol and tobacco are ignored by the government (because that is their choice of drug), yet the exact same dangers are used for the illegal status of other drugs.
I ask again, morally speaking, why is it not a criminal act for my daughter to become a prostitute, yet it would be a criminal act if she chose to responsibly use drugs in her spare time? Why would she be protected as a prostitute, yet persecuted as a responsible drug user?
Even though prostitution is legal, does this mean every married man will have sex with a prostitute? Even though gambling is legal, does this mean everyone will gamble irresponsibly and end up in debt? Even though alcohol is legal, does this mean everyone will go out binge drinking and drink driving? To define a responsible drug user as someone who ‘misuses drugs’ and a ‘criminal’ only on the grounds they use drugs without taking into consideration their actual use, their beliefs and moral standing, while not punishing an alcohol user, a gambler, or a prostitute is clear discrimination.
You say I cannot responsibly use drugs, yet even as an alcoholic I can legally brew my own beer. I am persecuted by the government because I risk my health using illegal drugs, yet I can walk into most shops buy tobacco which is scientifically proven to be highly addictive (tobacco is more addictive than heroin), can cause cancer, impotence, heart disease and breathing difficulties. I am a criminal for using MDMA, because I risk my life, yet I am not a criminal if I base jump, climb mountains, race cars or horse ride. All of these things are clear signs of discrimination.
Discrimination- Oxford dictionary. noun [mass noun] 1) The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, 2) Recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another:
You cannot have a law unjustly based upon your own opinions. If you drink alcohol you are a drug user, if you smoke you are a drug addict.
It would be fair to say there is a difference between something being wrong (against morals) and something being classed as a criminal activity (by law). In my opinion prostitution is wrong, but understand why it is not a crime. Gambling in my opinion can be wrong, but again understandable why it is not a crime. I ask, why is drug use a crime, yes it is morally wrong in some peoples eyes, but does that opinion alone justify a crime that can be punished by law? No it does not. In some faiths, alcohol is wrong, would you give up alcohol, only based upon their moral code and opinion? Of course you wouldn’t, it would be against your human rights.
Look at other crimes like rape, theft or assault. No-one could possibly argue why these are crimes or why the person who commits these crimes are punished. Each of these crimes have a direct victim, someone who wants justice. Someone who has suffered because of someone else’s actions. None of these crimes have any excuse.
I openly admit that drugs can have an indirect effect on family life, however that will be through abuse and misuse. I highlight that family life can also be effected by alcohol misuse, gambling and prostitution in exactly the same ways as drugs. People who perform life threatening stunts or race in dangerous events also have this same indirect effect on family life, yet all of these things are legal. In some cultures around the world drugs are used to bond the community, they have been used for thousands of years by their people. So in your opinion should all of these normal people, who have normal respectable lives, be criminals only because they use drugs as part as their way of life?
I would like to quote the minister with responsibility for drugs, Vernon Coaker during 2006 regarding ecstasy:
Q109 Mr Newmark: If the ACMD discovered new evidence when it undertook the review, would you consider reclassifying ecstasy?
Mr Coaker: We would consider their evidence. As I say, we have no plans to reclassify ecstasy. The ACMD is independent of government, we obviously respect what they say, and they will bring their report forward, but the Government has no plans and no intention of reclassifying ecstasy.
Q110 Dr Harris: You say that you do not propose to move ecstasy and it will remain a Class A drug. Is that an evidence-based policy?
Mr Coaker: That is a judgment the Government makes on the basis of what we believe to be something that is in the interests of the public at large to keep ecstasy as a Class A drug.
Q111 Dr Harris: Is it an evidence-based view?
Mr Coaker: It is a judgment that we make based on all the evidence we have had no recommendation from anybody to reclassify ecstasy from an A to a B. We think it is a drug which is harmful. There is no safe dose of it. We were talking about alcohol earlier on and one of the problems you have with alcohol is there probably is a safe dose. Like many here, I have a drink now and again, but there is no safe dose of ecstasy, we think it would send out totally the wrong messages and, as I say, we have no intention of reclassifying ecstasy.
Q112 Mr Newmark: Because it kills unpredictably?
Mr Coaker: As I say, there is no safe dose. This is the point, just half a minute—
Q113 Dr Harris: There is no safe dose of tobacco.
Mr Coaker: It just does make the point very well, the exchange that we have just had between two members of the Committee, quite rightly, about the difficulties that there are in this area and the different views and opinions that people have. I think what we all wrestle with is using evidence and using science and also trying to think about it from a non-scientific point of view in the social judgments and the individual judgments and the community judgments that we make. We wrestle with that and, as I say, as a Government we have no intention of doing anything with respect to ecstasy because we do not believe there is a safe dose, it is harmful, it kills unpredictably, as Brooks has said, and we just think that it is a very important way to use the classification system.
The point I would like to highlight, is Mr Coaker refers to ‘the interest of the public’ and referencing that ‘it kills unpredictably’. The drug will only kill its users, and they understand the risk they take when using this drug, as a car racer understands they risk their lives each time they race. Would it not be in the interest of the public for drugs to be made by legitimate businesses, sold by legitimate businesses, with quality control and age limits, proper education with health warnings, dosage and usage instructions. Rather than criminal organisations making and selling drugs, with no control, no age limits, no protection, offering as many drugs they can to anyone any age. I state again the drug will only kill its user, an illegal drug gang will kill anyone, drug user or not. If we banned alcohol and tobacco now, these same gangs would begin to sell them and pose the same added risks we have now with illegal drugs. He also states about sending out the wrong message, what message is truly being sent? Is it a message of tolerance and understanding, or ignorance, denial and hypocrisy.
Now finally the very last part of the home offices response,
“in full respect of fundamental freedoms and human rights. ”
I quote the human rights act and the articles that are being violated;
Section 1
Article 1 Obligation to respect human rights The High Contracting Parties shall secure to everyone within their jurisdiction the rights and freedoms defined in Section 1of this Convention
Article 5 Right to liberty and security 1. Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person. No one shall be deprived of his liberty save in the following cases and in accordance with a procedure prescribed by law: 2. Everyone who is arrested shall be informed promptly, in a language which he understands, of the reasons for his arrest and of any charge against him. 5. Everyone who has been the victim of arrest or detention in contravention of the provisions of this Article shall have an enforceable right to compensation
1) Liberty is the concept that an individual has the right to behave according to one's own personal responsibility and free will. I become violent when I drink alcohol, it is legal for me to drink even though it infringes on other persons rights to be safe and secure. I can smoke tobacco legally, which is proven to cause cancer, yet I am labelled a criminal and cast out of society only for using alternative drugs which are equally or less harmful. There are many drugs sold over the counter, which can be abused, not even the people who abuse these drugs are labelled criminals. An alcoholic does not live in fear of the law, even though they are a drug abuser. Why am I forced to live in fear of the law?
2) The charge would be possession of drugs under the ‘misuse’ of drugs act, so why am I not charged for buying alcohol or tobacco? They are both drugs too and one of those drugs kills over 3 million people a year. There is clear scientific evidence to prove some illegal drugs are equally/less harmful than alcohol and tobacco. Drug use is one charge, so why can I be charged time-and-time again for the same offence? Why am I hunted down like a common criminal only because I choose an alternative drug to alcohol?. I ask again, why am I a criminal only for using a drug? The response, ‘the law is the law because of the law’, to say I should be labelled a criminal and punished for using a drug when you are not punished for using alcohol for no other reason than personal enjoyment, is a clear deprivation of my human rights. This law cannot solely be based on personal opinions, when the facts are clear they are of biased opinion. I am a criminal for responsibly using drugs, but I’m not a criminal even if I clearly ‘misuse’ alcohol.
5) I do not wish for compensation with money, I only seek recognition that I am an individual human being, with my own life choices. These choices I make should not be punishable as a criminal act, nor should my responsible drug use should be labelled ‘misuse’ without consideration of the full facts. That I should not live in fear of the law. That my choice to use drugs will not infringe upon others rights.
Article 8 Right to respect for private and family life 1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence. 2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
1) If I choose to use recreational drugs in my own private time, I buy drugs using money that I have worked hard for, I pose no threat to society in any way, why can my private and family life be destroyed by a law and the punishment it brings? I am no different to an alcohol user, why can they drink without fear of persecution, yet I will be persecuted without question. I will not be sacked for binge drinking all weekend, but if I have one joint of cannabis on Saturday before bed, I can loose my job. What about my right to work, to provide a good income for my family. I am more than capable to do the job, but NOT ALLOWED to, ONLY because I choose an alternative drug to alcohol. You are not immediately labelled an ‘alcoholic, binge-drinker, a drink driver’, only because you drink, so why am I immediately labelled a ‘druggie’, ‘criminal’, when I am no different to you?
2) See section A
Article 9 Freedom of thought, conscience and religion 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and on public or private, to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance. 2. Freedom to manifest one’s religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
1) Many religions, faiths and customs around the world use drugs considered illegal in many other countries. It is the belief that these drugs were created for spiritual guidance, for true enlightenment. Because these drugs are used responsibly, dosed wisely and they are looked after by friends, the dangers of these drugs are greatly reduced and the criminal element is completely removed.
2) See section A.
Article 10 Freedom of expression 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises. 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary
1) Some people tattoo their body from head to toe, others pierce their body. Some people have a process called scarification, where a knife is used to carve a pattern to form a scar tattoo. Some people express themselves by being nude. Some people jump out of planes or from buildings. Some people race cars. Some people smoke tobacco and some people drink alcohol. None of these people are criminals.
2) See section A.
Article 11 Freedom of assembly and association 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association with others, including the 6 European Convention on Human Rights 7 right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests. 2. No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. This Article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the State
1) People are allowed to meet up and jump out of aeroplanes with parachutes. We are allowed to climb cliff faces, race cars and kick box. We can drink alcohol and congregate with fellow alcohol users either in Private clubs, Pubs or our own home. We can watch people fight each other, watch people racing, we can join beer and wine clubs. We can grow our own tobacco and brew our own beer. All without persecution. So why can I not congregate with fellow cannabis users in a members only club, or dance at a nightclub with fellow MDMA users, when I pose no threat to anyone and fully understand the risks I take?
2) See section A
Article 13 Right to an effective remedy Everyone whose rights and freedoms as set forth in this Convention are violated shall have an effective remedy before a national authority notwithstanding that the violation has been committed by persons acting in an official capacity
The war on drugs has been going on for over 40 years, how in any way is this an effective remedy? The drug war needs to end once and for all, the drug using public need to know their place in society. Not continuously live in fear of persecution because of a law based on biased stereotype opinions. The only people who have had the capabilities to end the drug war are the government. Instead they are choosing to create criminals with no justifiable crime only because of their opinion. (From the home offices response it is clear they are not prepared to open all avenues and are prepared to continuously persecute myself and the millions of fellow drug users, this is NOT an effective remedy)
Article 14 Prohibition of discrimination The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status
The drug law discriminates between one drug user and another, it allows abuse and misuse of certain drugs, then persecutes and punish innocent people because of others. I state again that I become violent and aggressive when drunk, and ask again why is it acceptable that I use a drug that risks others around me, yet unacceptable for me to use a drug that only risks myself.
Article 17 Prohibition of abuse of rights Nothing in this Convention may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein or at their limitation to a greater extent than is provided for in the Convention.
This may be used against me, saying that I associate with criminals and I contribute towards drug gangs. This is the governments choice alone, I have no option of where or who the drugs come from. The government have made that choice for me.
If you could buy drugs legally and use responsibly (as they do with alcohol), you would no longer associate with or contribute towards criminals. If theft/speeding/assault was legal, there would still be an innocent victim because of your actions, someone who wants justice. A justified crime. Drugs have no victim other than drug user, by their own choice, exactly like a smoker or drinker. People may turn this around and say that families are the victims, but this is also true for alcohol, gambling, and prostitution, if that is a reason for legal status then it must be accountable for everything. The law creates drug gangs, it creates criminals, these drug gangs spread fear in all our communities, they will kill people.
Protocol to the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms
Article 1 Protection of property Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law. The preceding provisions shall not, however, in any way impair the right of a State to enforce such laws as it deems necessary to control the use of property in accordance with the general interest or to secure the payment of taxes or other contributions or penalties.
We have gangs who rent properties, turn them into laboratories/cannabis farms, leave them completely trashed for the landlord and insurance company to pay for. We have tenants, renting properties and turn them into ‘drug dens’. Drug dealers allow people to get into uncontrollable debts, so the risks of thefts increase. Only the government have a choice, legitimate businesses make, grow and sell drugs, which have clear rules to obey, set by law, or you allow the drug gangs continue to ‘carry on as normal’. Someone’s only crime may be to smoke cannabis responsibly, they are no different to some one who drinks, is it reasonable or fair for the police smash and destroy peoples property only in search of drugs.
Article 2 Right to education No person shall be denied the right to education. In the exercise of any functions which it assumes in relation to education and to teaching, the State shall respect the right of parents to ensure such education and teaching in conformity with their own religious and philosophical convictions
The classes of drugs are incorrect, MDMA is not comparable to Heroin, the dangers of Cannabis are scientifically proven to be less or equally harmful to Alcohol, yet alcohol has no class. We are educating our children that taking drugs will kill you, but this is not correct, this in turn has a knock on effect of the law being ignored, the true dangers not being given, leading to abuse and overdose.
My parents and almost every parent, does not want their child to take drugs, there are many religions that are against drug use. That is their choice, however, a law will not stop or prevent their child being targeted by illegal dealers, or pressured into using drugs by friends. Try to understand that when we reach adulthood, we make our own decisions, our own choices, unfortunately, that does mean differences of opinions and morals crop up. Your children may grow up to believe the opposite to what you believe. That does not mean they are wrong and need to be punished.
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Article 8 Right to respect for private and family life 2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
Article 9 Freedom of thought, conscience and religion 2. Freedom to manifest one’s religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
Article 10 Freedom of expression 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary
HEALTH
One of the biggest excuses used for the law on drugs is health. There are countless illegal drugs that are equally or less harmful than alcohol and tobacco. Many health issues are related to abuse and overdose, not responsible recreational use. While drugs remain illegal criminal organisations make the drugs, there is no quality control, so alternative chemicals and additives are used making the drugs MORE harmful. There are no set limit’s the public can buy, no dosage or usage instructions given, so the risk of abuse and overdose is INCREASED. There are no age limits set, so children are at a GREATER risk. If drugs are illegal because of health, ALL drugs should be illegal, including alcohol and tobacco.
If all drug users should be classed a criminal for damaging their health alone, why are obese people not criminals? If a drug user should be classed as a criminal for risking their lives, why are dangerous stunt performers, boxers or Formula 1 racing drivers not criminals?
MORALS (UK)
Prostitution is against most peoples morals, yet it is okay, by law, for my daughter, sister or mother to become a prostitute. Its okay by law for a married man to have sex with prostitutes behind his wife’s back. Gambling is against many religions moral code, yet by law, it is okay to gamble. I can even gamble my life savings away without question. I can buy vulgar pornographic magazines in my local corner shop, but I am a criminal for smoking cannabis in my own home. Is it the fact that the government wants to view pornographic material, so it is legal, the fact that they want to use alcohol, so it is legal, however, because they do not want to use drugs and in their personal opinion, it is morally wrong, they are illegal?
If a law is only based upon personal ‘opinion’, not based upon evidence, science, with new evidence being ignored, all other options being denied because of that opinion alone, then the law is arbitrary and goes against all of the principles of the Human Rights Act.
If my daughter was short of cash and needed it urgently, which would I prefer her to do, prostitute herself or sell drugs? If she could sell drugs legally, she would be no different to a pub landlord.
PUBLIC ORDER/PROTECTION OF RIGHTS/PUBLIC SAFETY/PREVENTION OF DISORDER OR CRIME/NATIONAL SECURITY
I am one of many who react badly to alcohol, I can become highly aggressive and violent when I drink, I cannot stop the way alcohol effects me. When drunk, I pose a very high threat to anyone around me (including family and friends). Yet If I drink alcohol, I am not a criminal. I do not need to associate or mix with criminals to obtain alcohol. I have reacted perfectly well using Cannabis, MDMA (ecstasy), LSD, Magic Mushrooms, Mephedrone and Cocaine with NO adverse side effects throughout my 18 years of drug use and under the influence of these drugs, pose no threat to anyone around me. Using drugs should not be a criminal activity, as is with alcohol and tobacco. There is no distinction between harming/risking yourself and harming/risking other people.
Some criminal gangs use drugs to lure children into other criminal activities with the ‘you use drugs, you’re a criminal anyway’ or ‘if you want this drug…you do this for me’ attitude. The children who continuously get away with it, grow into the next line of criminals.
The money made by drug gangs contributes towards more criminal activity including bribes and weapons. Because these gangs operate from one end of the globe to another in every country, the national security is compromised and innocent non-drug users are caught up in the crossfire. This law does not prevent crime, it creates it and helps it grow.
Police officers, Customs officers, Soldiers and Government officials are being either bribed/blackmailed by these gangs. A drug baron making over $30M every year will happily pay $15M of that in bribes. More and more officials are being offered vast amounts of money for tip-offs, supply, or just to look the other way.
Innocent non-drug users are being effected by drug gangs. With no age limits set, people are offered and use drugs much too early in life. Criminal activity ruins innocent peoples lives, the distinction between using a recreational drug responsibly and spreading fear is not defined.
ECONOMIC WELL-BEING
Billions upon billions of pounds are being continuously spent worldwide, year after year, trying to stop drug use. Police time, court time and prison space wasted, all because of this law, all at the cost to the country. The ONLY people to profit from drugs now, are the drug gangs and criminal organisations. They use this money for criminal activities, weapons and personal gain. If drugs were legislated, with licensed businesses making and selling drugs, firstly, jobs would be crated and secondly, tax/duty would be paid, the only people to profit would be the country. Age limits would be set, helping to further the education of our children, minimising their contact with criminal gangs, lessening the chance of criminal activity. I would rather the money I spent using the drugs I enjoy to contribute towards legitimate businesses and back to the community.
Final Questions:
I asked questions and raised issues in ‘My Story’, none of which were answered or explained in your response. So I ask a few questions,
1) I have discussed health (alcohol and tobacco), I have discussed morals (prostitution and gambling), I have discussed crime (the law itself creates the crime), I have discussed money and I have been open and honest about my way of life with you. I have discussed the difference between responsible use and abuse. I have explained how some people progress through drugs and progress into crime.
Q. Why am I criminal ONLY for using a drug?
2) I react badly to alcohol, I become violent, uncooperative, aggressive and rude. While under the influence I pose a serious risk to others around me. I have never reacted like this using cannabis, LSD, MDMA, Cocaine or Magic Mushrooms. Tobacco killed over 3 million people last year and is proven to be far more dangerous than many illegal drugs.
Q. Why is it okay for me to use a drug which I react badly to and a drug which is proven to kill, yet a criminal activity for me to use the drugs I enjoy, use responsibly and react well to while posing no risk to anyone?
3) Just for a minute I would like you to imagine that drugs are legal.
Q. Your daughter is desperate for cash, she has a choice, to sell drugs legally (open her own business), or to prostitute herself. Which would you choose?
4) As I stated in ‘My Story’, you cannot stop someone from choosing to use a drug. As with every drug user, we have all chosen to use drugs. You cannot stop who your children associate with. Your class, race, religion, colour, have no relevance on whether people choose to use drugs. If they enjoy it, what can you do?
Q. Would you prefer drug gangs to target your children (at any age) for business, pressuring them into using. Then possibly lead them into a life of crime, or would you prefer a legitimate business sells drugs with strict rules including age limits and maximum sales. They no longer mix with criminals to do something they enjoy.
5) Drug gangs/criminal organisations make the drugs. These can be cut or made by using alternative chemicals. The quality of drugs are low, so the user is immediately put into more danger. As with ecstasy now, some tablets are very weak (or not MDMA and made of an alternative similar drug) so 2 are required at once (‘double drop’), with a proper ecstasy tablet sometimes only ½ is required. There is the added risk that people who only have the weak ones, they are used to double dropping, then when a true ecstasy is sold to them they overdose or end up in hospital. Street heroin comes in various cuts, and is far more dangerous than pure heroin, again quality is a serious issue and because different batches are different strengths, an overdose is more likely.
Q. Why is it better for a drug gang to make drugs to any standard they wish, no matter what its, there is no set dose, or set limit to buy, with no quality control. Why is it better for someone who chooses to use a drug, to be put under greater health risks?
6) Lets say 1 billion pounds was spent on the drug war, and 1 billion pounds spent by people like me buying drugs, thats 2 billion pound gone, with nothing to show other than corruption, greed and violence. If legislated the government would save a billion, the billion pound spent by people like me would be going back to legitimate business, not the criminal world. The taxes would be going into the governments pockets, which could then be spent on education, policing, health care and youth clubs.
Q. How is that statement incorrect?
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God damn. I read about 95% of that. Good stuff. Great arguments and wonderful content.
Glad your doing what your doing. Not to put you down, your one voice is but pedal in field. But your doing more then most people. Your actually sticking up for everyone on this website.
Please do re-post their reply.
The point here is not that you, yourself, are going to change the government. Its more of a voice. One of the few voices here actually doing something.
If you need any help or ideas about something let me know. I would be glad to help. I subscribed to you.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: dshow]
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Thanks, I am gaining more and more support, the media will not publish this, won't even respond. I've been banned from a few forums because they don't like what I have to say, truth hurts doesn't it.
The point I really need to highlight to drug users, do not be ashamed to be a drug user, you do not need to hide who you are. So what, you harm yourself, so does a boxer, a smoker, an alcoholic. However, you SERIOUSLY need to think about where your drugs are made and who makes your drugs. Do you want a criminal gang/terrorist organization to profit ONLY because you choose to get high? Do you want to be sold cheap cut drugs which are far more dangerous than the true drugs, which could be easily controlled by legislation, to guarantee proper drugs? No more shit coke, no more shit mdma, no more half strength sugar coated weed. Personally that sounds great to me.
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Thanks for taking the time to put all this together. Very well done
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Another think. The obesity problem here in the states. Its considered number 1 or in health related problems.
Oh no no no! Dont you dare touch that drug or we will put you in jail. But hey its ok for you to raise a morbidly obese kid. Or its ok to eat until your over 400lbs+. That is totally legal. Go ahead, take your child to Mcdonalds. Give your child a candy bar when the kid is already over 200lbs.
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Still no response as of yet, but I'm taking things to the next level and stepping things up.
I have now sent these letters to.... 3 newspapers, 2 MPs, The ACMD (Uk council for Misuse of Drugs), The Amy Winehouse foudation, FRANK (anti drugs arse holes that give out misinformation about drugs), UN anti-drug organisation
I'm leaving it another month then I'm sending these letters to the Dutch, Portuguese and Canadian government, try to get a response from them.
Then I bite the bullet and will be handing myself into the police. If I have to sacrifice myself to help protect our future, so be it.
We should not be ashamed to be drug users. Don't allow yourself to be bullied by your governments into silence, living in fear of the law. The governments are relying on people like me to be either too scared or ashamed to speak out. We have a global problem, the problem isn't drugs, its the 'war' on drugs and the consequences of the law.
YOU ARE A NORMAL PERSON, DO NOT BELIEVE YOU ARE EVIL BECAUSE A BUNCH OF CORRUPT PEOPLE IN CHARGE TELL YOU YOU ARE.
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I have now sent these letters to.... 3 newspapers, 2 MPs, The ACMD (Uk council for Misuse of Drugs), The Amy Winehouse foudation, FRANK (anti drugs arse holes that give out misinformation about drugs), UN anti-drug organisation
I'm leaving it another month then I'm sending these letters to the Dutch, Portuguese and Canadian government, try to get a response from them.
Then I bite the bullet and will be handing myself into the police. If I have to sacrifice myself to help protect our future, so be it.
We should not be ashamed to be drug users. Don't allow yourself to be bullied by your governments into silence, living in fear of the law. The governments are relying on people like me to be either too scared or ashamed to speak out. We have a global problem, the problem isn't drugs, its the 'war' on drugs and the consequences of the law.
YOU ARE A NORMAL PERSON, DO NOT BELIEVE YOU ARE EVIL BECAUSE A BUNCH OF CORRUPT PEOPLE IN CHARGE TELL YOU YOU ARE.
handing your self into the police? What do you mean by that? Just photo copy it and send it to more places.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: dshow]
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No, we've been protesting, campaigning, petitioning, pleading with our governments for over 30 years, and we're told 'shut up, don't care'.
We're continuously forced into fighting against the police. The police hate us, because they are the ones that have to deal with the clean up. We need the police to back us, support us. The only way this will happen if people like me show them how persecution, punishment, ridicule and criminality is brought on because of the drug law, not the drugs. People like me exist, that 'drugs' are not bad, people are. Drugs cannot be blamed for that.
We have support from scientists, MPs, Celebrities. We need the police on our side too. Even non-drug users who I've shared this with are now in support of legislation. If I can spread this to every decent police officer, we may begin to make our voice louder.
Legislation is not only about you or me getting high, its about how that drug use effects everything and everyone else.
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Ok well dont hand your self in. Just send the facts over to the police stations. Every police station. You are sending your second post right? have you made any changes to it?
Im going to print that off photo copy it and put it/mail it to a few places.
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Yes, second letter was sent to government before I posted it on here. It was a bit rushed, could have gone into so much more detail.
Anyone can print off anything I write, spread the word.
If you get a chance watch Massimo Mazzucco's 'The True History Of Marijuana'. You'll see where, how and why our drug laws exist. Blew my mind. Just bought it so I can show my parents, even though they know I use drugs recreationally, they disapprove and don't fully understand. I'll be passing it around, it is shocking. It proves the drug law is a sham, based on lies and greed. I HIGHLY recommend this film!!
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Awesome post! Since I've been busted with possesion I've been inspired to be active. Today I called all my local senators I found through norml and asked to support HR 2306 which is to end federal prohibition of marijuana. I'm glad to read this thread cause now I have another great idea. I am going to write out sheets with all the facts on marijuana and how it is far safer than alcohol and that their policies are only destroying communities.
Honestly if we can get some kind of printable sheets with all the clear facts this might be an excellent idea for a new type of campaign. We can anonomously mail this info to the police. I think internet petitions are too easy to ignore but a mailed in envelope with all the facts clearly written out would be an awesome idea.
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I feel if I do this 'secretly' it gives the impression I am ashamed of what I do, that I accept what I do is wrong. Which is not what I believe. If people don't like me for who I am, regardless of whether I use drugs or not, isn't my problem, its theirs. I should not be 'criminalized' for their ignorance.
One of my mates has just been sent to prison for 12 months, possession with intent. His family is in bits. Not the drugs fault, the laws. He's one of the 'good' dealers, in the sense he never pushes drugs or sells to kids and he's not the type to cause any trouble.
The governments of most countries KNOW the facts about drugs, unfortunately its corruption on a scale most people can't imagine. We have to unite as a 'people of every nation', in order to demand a change.
Thanks for all the support guys, nice to hear I'm not the only one trying.
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http://drugscience.org.uk/drugsinfo.html
This is the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs. The people who set this up, used to work for the UK drug advisory council, they were forced to resign, because they had scientific evidence to say alcohol was more dangerous than MDMA, Cannabis, Cocaine and LSD. They called for legislation.
The people who were employed to give advice on drugs, gave that advice, and were told, "no.... you're fired"
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This is the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs. The people who set this up, used to work for the UK drug advisory council, they were forced to resign, because they had scientific evidence to say alcohol was more dangerous than MDMA, Cannabis, Cocaine and LSD. They called for legislation.
The people who were employed to give advice on drugs, gave that advice, and were told, "no.... you're fired"

Such bullshit...
FUCK YOU GOVERNMENT!!! STUPID ASS MOTHERFUCKERS! Just understand already.. why are you so afraid?
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Honestly mate, watch that Massimo Mazzucco's vid 'The true history of Marijuana', they're not afraid, its corruption and greed.
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Honestly mate, watch that Massimo Mazzucco's vid 'The true history of Marijuana', they're not afraid, its corruption and greed.
Why are they so corrupt and greedy 
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I know. As peter griffin said, "it really grinds my gears".
There are five main groups against drug legislation, the timber, oil, alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical.
Forgetting about getting high for just a minute, cannabis alone can be used for thousands of things, before it was banned it was the most used plant in the world. Its stalk can be made into paper and fabric (aka hemp), its seeds can be made into fuel which is cleaner than petrol (plus the fact it is cleaner to make and we won't need to buy fuel from around the world risking more oil spills). Medicinally, it has hundreds if not thousands of uses. 100% of the cannabis plant can be used = no waste. Grows easily around the world = pentiful renewable energy.
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SpiritDreamer said: I know. As peter griffin said, "it really grinds my gears".
There are five main groups against drug legislation, the timber, oil, alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical.
Forgetting about getting high for just a minute, cannabis alone can be used for thousands of things, before it was banned it was the most used plant in the world. Its stalk can be made into paper and fabric (aka hemp), its seeds can be made into fuel which is cleaner than petrol (plus the fact it is cleaner to make and we won't need to buy fuel from around the world risking more oil spills). Medicinally, it has hundreds if not thousands of uses. 100% of the cannabis plant can be used = no waste. Grows easily around the world = pentiful renewable energy. 
The more obvious "why isn't the world like THIS" things you say, the more sad I become 
"it really grinds my gears!" 
But seriously it's really upsetting as an intelligent individual to watch the world burn like this, when the answers are so obvious now. Back when they made pot illegal in the 30s it was all just racist and whatnot, and now science has come a LONG way to completely disprove all of that bullshit propaganda, and show that there are many benefits of Cannabis, and if anything, it shouldn't make you a CRIMINAL. I've spent the last 2 years of my life smoking weed almost every day, and I have yet to do one "criminal" thing because I had THC in my brain.
So many "potumentaries" out now, and even the culture of weed.. being by far the most used illegal drug, it's like people acknowledge it's existence and don't think it's the end of the world anymore, but not fully enough to just DECRIMINALIZE it. I don't understand why it has to be such a big step. It seems like an obvious step in the right direction. I even watched a video once where there were just some farmers from Kansas or something standing around their farm, talking about hemp. They said fuck getting high we don't care about that, we just wanna grow hemp because it's an amazingly flexible product all on it's own. They were even suggesting anything with THC over 1% or whatever to be illegal.. they just wanted HEMP legalized because they know how much that alone can help the world.
And obviously, the massive pharm companies with billions of dollars would rather prescribe people their shitty meds rather than just one simple plant that can do so many things.

Keep up the good fight brother, I'm backing you 100%
I don't frequent this forum subsection very often, but this thread means a lot IMO when it comes to.. fairness and equality? I would LOVE to see REAL change happen.
Ron Paul 2012? hahahaha
I sometimes seriously think 2012 is going to be the end of the world... not because the Mayan Calendar says so, but because humans are becoming too fucking greedy. In some ways, it really is hard to see things getting any worse than they are now. The drug war has brought soooooooo many problems to the table, and if they don't get rid of this war, more and more lives will be affected by such a stupid idea. It's time to fix it, or the world will crumble. Lets stop wasting billions of dollars on this pointless game of cat and mouse, and find a real solution, eh?
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Re: My response to Government [Re: extreme]
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I've just bought the Massimo Mazzuccos dvd, as soon as its delivered in a few weels I'll post it online. If anyone wants a copy just message me.
You will not believe how the drug law was started. If I write it most people won't believe, so I'll show you instead. I thought I knew everything until I watched it. Angered me and you will see why. http://www.usfilms.ea29.com/the-true-history-of-marijuana_2992209.html
I'd rather my drug money went back to legitimate businesses, back to the country, rather than funding crime, murder and corruption. I'd rather be on the side of the police, not the criminals.
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This is good shit man, keep it up.
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I said earlier how many people I have contacted, after 2 months still no response from any of them.I contacted Mr Mazzucco to say thank you for his film, even though this gentleman is extremely busy, and in the process of making his new documentary, he kindly replied the next day, his message.....
"...But do not lose hope, it took 2,000 years to bring our world to the state it's in now, and it cannot be fixed in a couple of weeks.
let's just keep focused on the change, and the change eventually will come."
Its so nice when someone responds, even though really they're too busy. Unlike the media and government who couldn't care less.
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Well, my plan is working quite nicely with new developments coming in.
1. Describe terrorism - to use violence, threats, persecution for political gain. To spread propaganda to turn people against each other. To use moral grounds for punishment, persecution and hatred.
For example, the Muslim faith is very good. It too teaches forgiveness. The terrorists twist and manipulate the Koran to turn muslims against every one, to label us 'infidels' that deserve to die. To make them believe they are better than you.
I was speaking to one of my Muslim friends, I said to him, "right, you don't drink alcohol because you believe it to be 'wrong', but you smoke tobacco which screws up your health on a massive scale far worse than alcohol". He just laughed his head off and said "yeh mate, But.. its different."
Now, if you really look into the Christian bible, no-where does it say alcohol is good and everything else is evil. It talks about using in moderation, not to overdose, not to use drugs to contact spirit worlds. Not to destroy you're body. Unfortunately 'reefa madness' from the 1930's was incorporated into most religions, hence the 'drugs are sin' attitude for the last 50 years.
2) The government blame me and all drug users for the evil in the world blaming us for contributing towards crime.
Right, I was born in 1982, 11 years AFTER the 'Misuse of drugs act'. I did not create the drug gang who made the drugs, that the dealers offered me when I was 12 years old. I was never protected as a drug user. I was persecuted, mocked and ridiculed. I associated with people the drug law created not the drugs.
The Law created people like me, I cannot be blamed as I am a result of the war on drugs, not a cause.
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Fantastic.
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op, i appreciate your bravery and your efforts
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Re: My response to Government [Re: deadmandave]
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Hi people, I emailed the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs, these guys are ones I think I can trust (these are the former government drug advisory council, who called for legislation, then were forced to resign).
They have said they would like to read the letters. I have asked for a statement of some kind, to enclose with my file to the police. If they send a response I will post it for everyone.
Thanks again people. Peace out
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I now know exactly why and how drugs are illegal. It is sick, twisted and evil on a scale you cannot imagine.
If I tell you the truth you will think I am mad, so instead, I bid goodbye to all. My final post ever.
The only thing I ask from you all now is you do not stop searching for the truth, terrifying it may be, the truth will set you free.
God help us all.
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SpiritDreamer said: I now know exactly why and how drugs are illegal. It is sick, twisted and evil on a scale you cannot imagine.
If I tell you the truth you will think I am mad, so instead, I bid goodbye to all. My final post ever.
The only thing I ask from you all now is you do not stop searching for the truth, terrifying it may be, the truth will set you free.
God help us all.
Nooooooooo that can't be. The people like you and I need to fight the good fight, not give up.
If you've already tried so hard and realized it is impossible to make a change, then that leaves me with little hope for this world 
In a few months I was planning on taking a different direction with my life, and it includes lobbying for drugs or writing beautiful song lyrics about why drugs are awesome, etc.
Years ago, cigarettes could be smoked inside, were advertised everywhere, and were completely normal. Years ago, Cannabis was the evil Marihuana. Years ago, DUI's were laughed at. Now, with science having such an understanding of all these things, and changes already slowly being made, we just have to last out the current traditions and hopefully get some new, younger people elected into our political positions.
I fucking hate politics. Everyone is a tool for one side or the other. You see that Herman Cain shit recently? Doesn't even know what to believe.. other than that he's Repub and needs to take their side. Oh wait Obama isn't Repub? My bad I disagree then. Wow dude..
I would really like to see Ron Paul as president.. the one man who seems to say fuck the majority, I want to do what is RIGHT. Everyone else in politics are too greedy to stand for what they actually believe in, but rather what will simply make them "win." Pathetic. That's why I laugh in their face everyday they get it wrong 
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Regardless of whether or not I will think you are mad, I would like to hear what you have discovered if you would be willing to oblige me.
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Trypppy said: Regardless of whether or not I will think you are mad, I would like to hear what you have discovered if you would be willing to oblige me.
I am also VERY curious as to what it is you discovered. I do love me some truth..
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Re: My response to Government [Re: extreme]
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THE WORLD IS RUN BY 1 CULT, (FREEMASONS/ILLUMINATE) THEY OWN EVERYTHING, IN EVERY COUNTRY. EVERY PRESIDENT, PRIME MINISTER, IS PRE-SELECTED. THEY OWN THE MEDIA, THE TIMBER INDUSTRY, THE OIL INDUSTRY, THE BUILDING INDUSTRY, THE TV, THE RADIO, THE CHURCH. NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO CONTROL THE INTERNET.
THEY KILL, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BUT BECAUSE THEY OWN THE POLICE AND THE GOVERNMENT, NO ONE KNOWS, THEIR MURDERS ARE COVERED UP AS SUICIDES.
THEY ARE THE CAUSE OF EVERY WAR. THEY ARE BEGINNING TO START THE NEXT WAR WITH THE MIDDLE EAST NOW, SO THEY CAN START TO DROP NUKES AND CHEMICALS, EVEN ON THEIR OWN NATIONS, THEIR OWN PEOPLE. THE CURE FOR CANCER HAS BEEN KNOWN SINCE THE 1940'S, BUT THEY HAVE KILLED TO KEEP IT QUIET.
THESE PEOPLE CAN ONLY BE STOPPED BY GOD NOW. GOD NEVER WANTED DRUGS TO BE BAD OR ILLEGAL. EVEN JESUS DRANK ALCOHOL. ITS ABOUT MISUSE, ABUSE, OVERDOSE. THESE EVIL PEOPLE WANT YOU TO BE DRUG ABUSERS, THEY WANT TO CREATE THAT HATRED BETWEEN ALCOHOL USERS AND US 'EVIL DRUGGIES'. EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO MAKE US HATE EACHOTHER.
BE KIND, FORGIVE, LOVE, DO NOT BE ANGRY WITH YOUR FELLOW MAN, WE HAVE ALL BEEN BRAINWASHED TO HATE AND KILL. WAKE UP, PLEASE WAKE UP.
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SpiritDreamer said: THE WORLD IS RUN BY 1 CULT, (FREEMASONS/ILLUMINATE) THEY OWN EVERYTHING, IN EVERY COUNTRY. EVERY PRESIDENT, PRIME MINISTER, IS PRE-SELECTED. THEY OWN THE MEDIA, THE TIMBER INDUSTRY, THE OIL INDUSTRY, THE BUILDING INDUSTRY, THE TV, THE RADIO, THE CHURCH. NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO CONTROL THE INTERNET.
THEY KILL, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BUT BECAUSE THEY OWN THE POLICE AND THE GOVERNMENT, NO ONE KNOWS, THEIR MURDERS ARE COVERED UP AS SUICIDES.
THEY ARE THE CAUSE OF EVERY WAR. THEY ARE BEGINNING TO START THE NEXT WAR WITH THE MIDDLE EAST NOW, SO THEY CAN START TO DROP NUKES AND CHEMICALS, EVEN ON THEIR OWN NATIONS, THEIR OWN PEOPLE. THE CURE FOR CANCER HAS BEEN KNOWN SINCE THE 1940'S, BUT THEY HAVE KILLED TO KEEP IT QUIET.
THESE PEOPLE CAN ONLY BE STOPPED BY GOD NOW. GOD NEVER WANTED DRUGS TO BE BAD OR ILLEGAL. EVEN JESUS DRANK ALCOHOL. ITS ABOUT MISUSE, ABUSE, OVERDOSE. THESE EVIL PEOPLE WANT YOU TO BE DRUG ABUSERS, THEY WANT TO CREATE THAT HATRED BETWEEN ALCOHOL USERS AND US 'EVIL DRUGGIES'. EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO MAKE US HATE EACHOTHER.
BE KIND, FORGIVE, LOVE, DO NOT BE ANGRY WITH YOUR FELLOW MAN, WE HAVE ALL BEEN BRAINWASHED TO HATE AND KILL. WAKE UP, PLEASE WAKE UP.
OMG please tell me this isn't your last post. Because everything you say touches me on a special level. Please SD, keep putting this information out there. Amazing stuff.
Also - as a side - can I simply ask what your views are when it comes to God? I like to believe in peace and a "Greater" somewhere, but why would he let a group of corrupt people run this place? It's just so hard to make sense of it..
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These people have a rule, you can say what you like as long as no one listens. When people start to listen, you die or go to prison/nut house.
Honestly, my aim was only to find out the truth about drugs, Then I found the cure for cancer, then I sit back and think to myself, "what kind of sick people are these? Who could possibly be THIS evil."
Then I learned about the american governmnet, how it was IMPOSSIBLE for them to have landed on the Moon (radiation would have KILLED them). Why they arranged to execute JFK.
Then I find out about the 'freemasons' then the 'illuminate'. Who they were, how it was all started, how it works today.
They, over the last 2000 years have bought EVERY business, they control the stock market, the banks, the government, the police, and the MILITARY, with all them lovely bombs. They own the Pharma companies who have all the vaccines and cures. Some of these people truly have sold their soul to the devil, only for personal greed, their greed grows, and their lust for more drives them to commit evil crimes.
About religion, I always believed in god, but never knew. BECAUSE IT WAS CONSTANTLY DRILLED INTO ME, 'religious people are stupid', I did not know what to believe. It was like lighting a candle to find the lightswitch in a tiny room, flicking on the light and being in a warhouse. Passages from the Bible, came to me, so hard to explain. Not a vision (and NO I was not on drugs). Things began to slot into place, a piece at a time. Now I understand.
They are so evil and corrupt no-one should be listening to them, or obeying them, but you have the nasty media and governmnent, HELPING and PROTECTING these wolves in sheeps clothing, FOR THEIR OWN GREED!!
Get a bible, Revelations Chapter 13. 1: And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2: And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3: And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4: And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5: And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6: And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9: If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10: He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11: And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12: And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13: And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15: And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18: Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
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You really should keep posting man, this stuff interests at least me a great deal. I tell you, I've never thought this hard about one big conspiracy like this til today. It does make a strangely large amount of sense though..
http://trueconspiracies.com/
Been reading some of that, highlights a lot of things you've said. Can I ask you simply when the day came and how you know for sure, that we really are all controlled by this Illuminati group or whatever? I'm simply curious how you made this discovery - I don't doubt you at all, I just haven't done nearly the research into this as you may have. But I have always wondered why so many things in this world don't make sense... this would explain A LOT lol.
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He's bugging out. o.o
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Sorry for the wait, been in hospital with hernia op. Not been online because my head is completely mashed, found out so much over the last month I honestly do not know where to start.
Genesis 11, tells us about a group of people who made bricks and tried to make a 'temple' reaching to the heavens. God split them up and gave them different languages, scattering them across the earth.
So... take a look through history, see how many nations built temples and pyramids. You will see MASSIVE connections to ALL. The biggest point to make would be is please look at the statues and writings, serpents/reptiles are classed as GODS, Satan was the original serpent, the dragon. Take a look at their stone MASONRY. ALL of these cities were labelled as "great, beautiful", hiding the dark side of human sacrifices, bestiality, rape and slavery.
Why do you think we have gone from land to land in search of other nations? To learn other languages? TO REJOIN THIS SATANIC GROUP, SO THEY CAN ENSLAVE OUR WORLD. Then look at what happens when the masonry was abandoned by certain tribes. They use nature to live off. No need for stone, no need for money, no need for technology, what happens to these tribes? Like the native american indians, they were executed and their land taken from them.
I could go through Egyptian hieroglyphics, many times you will see the 'ALL SEEING EYE", aka the eye of Ra. You will see the cobra. You will see the masonry this goes on through Roman, Greek, Chinese, Japanese.
Now this is when things really take the darkest turn, it will sicken you. Do you know who funded BOTH sides of World war 1+2? Rockefella, he made $200 MILLION dollars. Adolf Hitler in his speech to the Third Reich talks about 'THE NEW WORLD ORDER' (please check out the speech), then compare it to Bush seniors 'NEW WORLD ORDER' speech (and now your president OBAMA is talking about the same 'NEW WORLD ORDER'. Just look at your $20 bill, you will clearly see the pyramid with the 'all seeing eye' and underneath it reads Novus Ordo Seclorum, NEW WORLD ORDER.
These people really began to take over the world around 1915ish. (when the 'bankers' took over)
Now, in this day and age they own everything, we are nothing more than brainwashed WILLING slaves, our hard work pays for their riches and power. Honestly, if someone was stood outside your work place every pay day and demanded money or they'd throw you in a dark room, you would call the police. Our government does exactly this to us, and the police /army PROTECT these people.
Now, on further research with drugs..... cannabis and LSD (until certain levels), are proven to be anti-hypnosis, however drugs like alcohol, cocaine, mdma are more likely to HELP hypnosis (manipulation of the unconscious mind). Alcohol is the most likely to help with hypnosis, that is why this is one of the legal drugs.
There is SO much out there, all you have to do is type into your google search bar 'illuminati' or 'freemasons'. The pages you can find are endless.
But here's a few links......
http://2012poleshift.wetpaint.com/page/NWO+Project+Blue+Beam:+False+Holographic+Second+Coming
(part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=8NLkvgsb6xI (part 2)
I understand this is hard to believe, and almost impossible to believe, once you take off the blindfold, everything will unfold before your eyes.
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One other thing, you have less than 3 years to find out this info, they are slowly taking over the internet. People, like me, are now being watched, we are the thorn in their side and we will be 'removed' from society.
Oh, they also own most mobile networks, internet providers, EVERY piece of information about you is being collected and stored (including ALL text messages and emails). They are seeing who will help them, and who will try to stop them.
You will be given a choice soon, good or evil (and the choice will not be easy). I can't give all the answers, all I can do is spread the message.
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This obama "thanking satan" video is ridiculous, fear mongering if you ask me. "Woman dont add, its god's name-" what the french toast does that mean?
hold on a second... oh wow, oh wow... ---- Im receiving a secret message from outer space! - :Everything is gonna be all right, everything will be alright, everything is gonna be alrighttttttttttttttttttttttttttt: -
Humans are a tiny spec in the grand scheme of things, even if we are all enslaved and forced to work boring jobs to pay the illuminati all our money it will only be a short time before their empire falls. ALL empires fall, look through the annals of history and you can verify this yourself.
If we destroy ourselves so be it. there will be other life forms to fill the void left by humans. The best thing we can do is spread love and peace to all living creatures - EVEN the whacked out illuminati free mason leaders.
embrace the changes that are happening, try to spin everything in a positive direction. If you want macro-change you must first change the world inside your own mind. YOU create your own universe, all humans live in different universes separated by individual consciousness but joined in the massive single entity that is our universe.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: deadmandave]
#15534584 - 12/18/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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People like me are made out to be mad, but I'm also labelled a junkie.
You are educated by these people, from the day you are born, 'barbie', 'action man'. Dress like this, Act like this, do this. It is manipulation from birth.
I started out thinking all this was bullshit nonsense too. Until they effected my life, then I researched things for myself. I did not look to find these answers. But this is the answer I got. I wish I didn't know, but now I do, I have to tell people, even if you think what I say is ridiculous.
Hitler could have been stopped, but because everyone 'embraced the change', the holocaust happened, and hundreds of thousands of our grandparents were murdered. Nice?
I won't be the first, and I won't be the last to try to get this message out.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/lines.htm - Lines Of Credit, Ropes Of Bondage, by Robert Henry Goldsborough.
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THIS ILLUMINATI CARD GAME WAS RELEASED 1995!!! please look carefully.
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None of these websites, videos, pictures, phrases or card games show any real evidence. It all looks fictionalized. it is as if there are people who are paranoid and because of that there are people capitalizing on the paranoia.
where is the HARD evidence?
This discussion is tantamount to discussing religions. No one is right no one is wrong. Whatever you believe IS your reality.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: deadmandave]
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lol, they own the CIA, FBI, members of the vatican, royal family, there is NO hard evidence, just a trail of slavery, murder, greed and mind control. Illuminati members have found out the truth, realised who and what they serve, then tried to tell people.
I quote from Robert Henry Goldsborough, (RELEASED BY A FORMER ILLUMINATI).....
"Quite honestly, I did not write LINES OF CREDIT: ROPES OF BONDAGE with a hope or intention of convincing those "doubting Thomases" who, unlike the Apostle Thomas who finally believed, will continue to deny the existence of the conspiracy in spite of overwhelming and conclusive evidence to the contrary. Actually these skeptics are important to the conspirators; they are the "useful idiots" so cherished by Lenin.
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imho i think that regardless of what illuminati or what secret regimes are in charge, the political leaders and even the political systems themselves are all corrupted by greed.
regardless of who or what is pulling the strings, it is our duty as citizens of earth to end violence, hunger and poverty; spread peace, compassion and tolerance.
Change starts in your own thoughts and through your own actions.
Well keep up the good fight, peace
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Re: My response to Government [Re: deadmandave]
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Nice to see you back SD. Keep the posts comin'
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Re: My response to Government [Re: extreme]
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Nice one extreme.
Remember... its all just a coincidence.
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The illuminati are very number orientated, what does 9+11 equal?
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Why are they so number orientated? Why are they hiding images of their plans in origami currency and card games?
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Re: My response to Government [Re: deadmandave]
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They are into Scientology, Numerology, Astronomy ect. Numbers are very important to them, they all have a significant meaning.
Like the www. at the beginning of every website, www in hebrew is 666.
They have secret signs, hand gestures, and incorporate hidden messages for there own personal pleasure. Like with 'happy slapping', recording yourself hitting an innocent passer-by, then showing it off to all your friends, like that but much sicker.
The bigger the lie the more people will believe, very twisted.
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In the June 1970 issue of Popular Science magazine Arthur C. Clarke was reported to have predicted that satellites would one day "bring the accumulated knowledge of the world to your fingertips" using a console that would combine the functionality of the Xerox, telephone, television and a small computer, allowing data transfer and video conferencing around the globe.[6] In March 1989, Tim Berners-Lee wrote a proposal that referenced ENQUIRE, a database and software project he had built in 1980, and described a more elaborate information management system.[7] With help from Robert Cailliau, he published a more formal proposal (on November 12, 1990) to build a "Hypertext project" called "WorldWideWeb" (one word, also "W3") as a "web" of "hypertTxt documents" to be viewed by "browsers" using a client–server architecture.[3] This proposal estimated that a read-only web would be developed within three months and that it would take six months to achieve "the creation of new links and new material by readers, [so that] authorship becomes universal" as well as "the automatic notification of a reader when new material of interest to him/her has become available." While the read-only goal was met, accessible authorship of web content took longer to mature, with the wiki concept, blogs, Web 2.0 and RSS/Atom.[8]
- from Wikipedia.
let me guess, Robert Cailiau and Tim Berners-Lee were probably members of the illuminati as well as satan worshipers and they just happened to be internet engineers in their spare time...?
and at the same time they also called the world wide web w3 which equals 63... 6+3=9 turn tha 9 upside down and its a 6 ...spoooooooooOOOoooooooOOOOooky.
considering the internet is a web of computers that spans the entire world, having the www stands for world wide web just doesnt make any sense at all.....
edit: source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web
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I liked your letters promoting legalization sucks how you went troll/batshit crazy.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Trypppy]
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Spirit dreamer is not batshit crazy, each individual experiences the world uniquely. The evidence can be perceived in many different ways. And there definitely are nut jobs in this world, with too much power, that will ruin peoples lives just to make a buck.
It is good and healthy for a society to have some paranoia so in the event that something is going on at least a few vigilant humans will be watching and trying to warn the rest of us.
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batshit crazy, paranoia, whatever. my point is I don't buy it.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Trypppy]
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Listen guys, I wrote to the government, mp's, drug council, NO ONE could give me a reasonable answer, which was understandable to an educated adult mind. These are the people who run the country and make laws, they COULD NOT answer.
Ok, I have NEVER told anyone this,
If you read my first letter to the government, I state that I have strict religious parents. No birthdays, no Christmas. My brother left when I was 7, (all I knew then is because he turned away from god) didn't see him for over 11 years. My sister was cast out of the family when I was 9. I'll never forget me and my 11 year old brother were playing in the living room when there was loud knocking at the door. My mum came in telling us to go upstairs. We went into the bathroom upstairs and listened. My sister had come round to see us, my mum refused to let her in. She was SCREAMING "I WANT TO SEE MY LITTLE BROTHERS", my brother and I were upstairs crying. It was so horrible.
I had to go to church until I was 16. I sat and listened to the sermons, listened to the talk of love, tolerance and forgiveness and thought 'hypocrites'. I blamed god for the break up of my family. I turned my back on god and religion.
Life went by I abused drugs, shagged anything, battered people, vandalised property, stole. I met people who showed me how to make explosives, had guns. You have NO idea what path I was on, what I could have became.
Luckily, that little bit of conscience inside me, told me I was on the wrong path. I had a choice, I was at rock bottom thousands of pounds in debt, start doing what my friends were doing, selling Class A and weapons, or turn my life around.
As my story states, I did indeed turn my life around. I began to realise that the drug law was incorrect, it wasn't based on actual evidence or facts (as you agreed with to start with). I had a very reasonable and educated response. I discussed my opinion with friends, and everyone agreed. So I wrote to the government.
Their response made me curious, I asked myself WHY, HOW and WHEN drugs were made illegal. This led me to the 1920's. Cannabis aka hemp was grown world wide. Its uses are endless. Rockefella/Dupont had invested in the oil industry and timber industry. As the seeds of cannabis can be made into oil/fuel and the stems used as paper/fabric, his industries were about to have MAJOR competition. They began a media hate campaign against cannabis, known as 'reefa madness', they turned cannabis into 'the devils harvest'. When making it illegal they twisted the story and secretly renamed cannabis/hemp to the Mexican translation Marijuana, so the people who banned it didn't even know what plant they'd actually banned!!
Please, please look into the history of cannabis. It is all their, HARD evidence.
That then opened the question of who are Rockefella and Dupont? This led me to the 'seven sisters' oil company their connection to weaponry, NASA, medical industry and the 'freemason' cult. Even I dismissed the freemason part at first.
Then I realised that the News Corp was funded by Rockefella, so he owns/funds and profits from all of these industries, all of whom can/will support him. The News Corp owns hundreds of newspapers, magazines, TV channels, news channels, movie companies and music labels. Unlike with reefa madness, their propaganda spreads WORLDWIDE! (All of this can be checked out)
So then I thought, so... why does the church not allow drugs? My parents left me a little bible book, it gives explanations about why they believe certain things. I flicked to the drugs section, what name do I see, Dupont. ""boom"" WTF is this liar doing in a book about god!!??
This led me to the pharma industry, and the cure for cancer. There a several treatments for cancer, NO DRUGS, NO CHEMOTHERAPY, NO RADIOTHERAPY. (Thousands of testaments available, and doctors confirming worldwide).
What sort of sick bastards would DENY the cure for cancer ONLY for PROFIT. Something inside of me clicked, can't explain, like being in the dark then suddenly having a candle and seeing a light switch. A scripture I kept going over and over and over in my mind, Revelations 13:14 AND IT MISLEADS THOSE WHO DWELL ON THE EARTH (about the beast).
Something WAS not right. This led me back to the freemasons, what they believed, what their aim was, so many people throughout history 'their aim is to destroy Christianity'. I stumbled upon a freemason magazine stared in the 1900's called the 'WATCHTOWER', one of the magazines in the Jehovah's witness faith. I learned how the Vatican was granted wealth and power for its compliance.
When you think about this logically, with reason and understanding. If you aim to destroy something, how do you do it silently, without question?
1. You infect it, you start at the base. You gain trust. 2. You progress, you work your way up to a high position. 3. You get into the high position, you 'employ' pre selected members to travel, spreading the poison further. 4. Because of your position, people trust and believe. 5. This passes on through generations until a twisted/distorted mess is left. (how many variations of Christianity are there?) 6. People on the 'outside' see the chaos and confusion, immediately dismissing the possibility. 7. Because of the 'religious' support of war, people associate hatred and war with god. Turning people against god. When the actual cause is the evil distorted and corrupt preaching of man.
This logic made me think about my family. It was broken up by religion, NOT GOD. The twisted preaching of their religious leaders cast my sister out of our family, showing her no compassion, love or forgiveness, this turned her against god, against religion. It screwed my head up, and TURNED me into the little devil I became. Their whole plan WORKED!! 4 people, me, 2 brothers, and sister all against god AND they had broken up a family. It turned 3 of my brothers into a life of crime, sex and greed.
I now see how it works.
IT AINT FUCKING WORKING NO MORE. I am awake and I am free.
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The bible does NOT say do not use drugs. It talks about the way in which they are used. The same as it does not say do not drink, it says do not get drunk.
Again, the aim is to cast out innocent people from the church who use drugs, turn the misled Christians against drug users, to support the 'cleansing' war on drugs. To turn drug users against Christianity when they see the hypocrisy of a church leader drinking alcohol, and blame god for the unfair and unjust persecution. When again, it is based upon FALSE teachings of man.
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Yep i agree with you, MJ was made illegal so that the Rockefellers would profit and also because of prejudice against asian immigrants.
Many churches could be corrupt, many are, we have all probably seen religious cults that do horrible things to children, women and men. imho it is best to view religions with an open mind, never accept anything just because a person in power has accepted and is now preaching it.
Thats not to say all religions are bad. My family, my moms extended family are all devout catholics. I saw many hypocrisies in their religion and denounced their faith when i was 18. I am not shunned by anyone of them or treated differently because of my differing beliefs. I also feel that many religions (not all) convey good morel teachings to the followers.
What the dalai llamma has said we could use is a set of universal morels that are not tied to any religion, which i tend to think is a good idea.
As timothy leary said "Think for yourself, question authority." I suppose that is why it is so hard for me to believe all these conspiracy theories. There are people preaching some pretty weird shit on both sides and it is in my best interest to question all of them, to research both sides and really not choose a side but make my own decisions and live my life freely 
and if you can source any of the cures for cancer that would be great
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Re: My response to Government [Re: deadmandave]
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Again, the scientists who claim cancer is not curable, check out these people, who they work for.
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If you read my first letter to the government, I state that I have strict religious parents. No birthdays, no Christmas.
My brother left when I was 7, (all I knew then is because he turned away from god) didn't see him for over 11 years. My sister was cast out of the family when I was 9. I'll never forget me and my 11 year old brother were playing in the living room when there was loud knocking at the door. My mum came in telling us to go upstairs. We went into the bathroom upstairs and listened. My sister had come round to see us, my mum refused to let her in. She was SCREAMING "I WANT TO SEE MY LITTLE BROTHERS", my brother and I were upstairs crying. It was so horrible.
I had to go to church until I was 16. I sat and listened to the sermons, listened to the talk of love, tolerance and forgiveness and thought 'hypocrites'. I blamed god for the break up of my family. I turned my back on god and religion.
were you a j.w.? this sounds a lot like what happens to witness kids. i was one until i was 17, and my quest for truth has led me to see a lot of the same things you are seeing. i would never call you crazy.
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I was never a j.w, my parents were.
I saw the hypocrisy even when I was a kid. It truly turned me against god.
See, what many people don't understand is religion is being used as a 'blinker' (what they put on horses). To keep you looking where they want you to look. I did not find god, until I saw the devil (not in a literal sense).
They preach in every church.. these are the last days, ITS GODS WAY. That is a lie, IT IS NOT GODS WAY. Jesus said, you will know when these are the last days, because these things will happen (war, famine, death). They tell you of the 'beasts', but don't show you who/what the beasts are. THESE are the beasts and they are using religious leaders to blind people.
Religion tells you not to seek out the devil, but god says stay awake, do not be misled. How do you protect yourself from something you do not understand, something that is so sneaky and evil it is in every home.
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About hitler, and remember America, you have 'New World Order' written on your bill.
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Project blue-beam technology.
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first vid looks like video manipulation as well as real photos of aurora borealis. I have seen the same exact video editing being used as evidence of UFO's...
the simplest answer is usually correct. 
the second photo looks like top of the line holographic visualizations, being used for adverts and cute fish... doesnt look like the stuff to take over worlds.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: deadmandave]
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whatever that blue light is it looks amazing!
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Re: My response to Government [Re: deadmandave]
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There are many 3d holograms. There was one in the haunted house at alton towers, a ghost girl. http://www.hauntedone.co.uk/emily_alton_effects.htm the first time you see a 3d hologram in person, it's mind blowing.
Then think of it this way, a person who has never seen, experienced a 3d hologram, COULD, POSSIBLY be used against them. It may not be a definitive fact, but it is a possibility.
Now imagine you have thousands of people claiming they 'saw' god, and this 'god' tells them to kill all americans.......or anyone who will not convert to what THEY tell you.
If I am right, (which there is a possibility I'm wrong), IF, then would it not be my duty to tell people.
IF I'm right, then you have been educated to dismiss everything I say, and look for 'scientific' answers.
IF I'm right, it means both you and I are a 'problem', we are 'free minded'. We will not obey them.
If you believe in god or not, isn't my choice to make, but I can at least give warning to people who are unaware of what is (imo without a doubt) possibly going on right infront of their eyes.
As you saw in the cancer vid, and in the codex vid, these are actual scientists and doctors telling you these 'officials' are slowly killing us. The fact is if these people are prepared to give MILLIONS of people a death sentence, by not giving them the free cure, by taking away our most basic needs, these people DENY the existence of the cure and PROSECUTE/IMPRISON people who give out the cure, this then opens the question of WHAT ELSE ARE THEY CAPABLE OF?? That is educated logic, based on FACTS.
When you understand these people, their logic, their aim, everything makes sense. It is simple, gain their trust then destroy them, and they'll keep coming back to us.
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Another thought....
So the new world order doesn't sound bad, one world, one government.
You're a drug user, or agree that people have the right to use drugs. You have some freedom and privacy now (just a thread left), what happens when there is no-one to defend you? Every country the same, no-where to escape, no-where to hide. You will be treated the same 'criminal' and be deemed 'unfit' for society.
What do you go on holiday for? I go to see different cultures, different ways of life. One world government, one world banking would end that. McDonalds on Everest?
No more Individuality. Welcome to the One world government.
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QUOTE- David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years."
He went on to explain:
"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."
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If any one else wakes up, you are not alone, even though it will feel like it at first. There is currently a worldwide 'awakening'. There are millions of us.
Don't hesitate to message me.
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I haven't gone crazy, there are SO many people speaking out. Please guys, its time to wake up from the hypnosis and manipulation.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: extreme]
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I'm watching spiritdreamer. Keep this thread alive. Post some more videos.
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There are so many things to say. Some discoveries turn my stomach, others make me cry with happiness.
I'm currently writing a letter to my family which will discuss everything I have discovered. I will explain my whole journey of discovery. That everything makes perfect sense. Will take me a few months to finish but will be worth the wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSSWnXQsgOU You BREATH it, you EAT it!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA2hil0iKsk You DRINK it EVERY DAY!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvFRLIjOLOU Remember, the FDA APPROVED this for human consumption!!!!!
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SpiritDreamer said: There are so many things to say. Some discoveries turn my stomach, others make me cry with happiness.
I'm currently writing a letter to my family which will discuss everything I have discovered. I will explain my whole journey of discovery. That everything makes perfect sense. Will take me a few months to finish but will be worth the wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSSWnXQsgOU You BREATH it, you EAT it!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA2hil0iKsk You DRINK it EVERY DAY!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvFRLIjOLOU Remember, the FDA APPROVED this for human consumption!!!!!
Hey man I still read this stuff every time you post. Keep it coming!! 
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Re: My response to Government [Re: extreme]
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Yeah me too, spiritdreamer. That second video was wild. I couldn't listen to the first one on mobile, but I just got to my house. Gonna check it out right now.
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To the OP, I understand the sentiment in your argument. Unfortunately, the argument is one that would only work with people of your same ilk.
The establishment (of which I am probably one) see it another way completely.
You are correct that there are a lot of criminals who make money and gain power because of the drug trade. This is clearly the fault of the drug users creating a demand for the banned substances.
You say that legalization would remove the driving force behind a lot of crime. I say that the same is true if drug users would follow the law instead of using drugs. See, to me (and many of the establishment like me), it is completely hypocritical for one to blame the government for creating an environment where crime can thrive while at the same time providing the demand and support for that environment.
Blaming the law for the actions of those who break the law is hardly a strong position.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: To the OP, I understand the sentiment in your argument. Unfortunately, the argument is one that would only work with people of your same ilk.
The establishment (of which I am probably one) see it another way completely.
You are correct that there are a lot of criminals who make money and gain power because of the drug trade. This is clearly the fault of the drug users creating a demand for the banned substances.
You say that legalization would remove the driving force behind a lot of crime. I say that the same is true if drug users would follow the law instead of using drugs. See, to me (and many of the establishment like me), it is completely hypocritical for one to blame the government for creating an environment where crime can thrive while at the same time providing the demand and support for that environment.
Blaming the law for the actions of those who break the law is hardly a strong position.
Gotta disagree...
You can't just expect people that are not you to not do illegal things, if they wanna do illegal things. I guess that's what penalties are for, but drugs are different.
You're saying it is the fault of the DRUG USERS, yes?
The solution - better rehab programs, less legal setbacks. Anyone here been fucked by the law before? Probation, fines, jailtime, etc? Ultimately, it is a >>SETBACK<< in anyone's life.
If you get fined a couple hundred for possessing a few grams of pot, for example. I'm sure there were no ill intentions with that few g's of weed, but NOW, you owe establishment $ that you may not even have, or going to have to struggle to get. IMO this turns normal good people into potential REAL criminals, since you're telling them "no, you can't smoke weed, it's wrong, now give us money."
This has never happened to me, but if it did I'm sure I'd be even more mad at the system than I already am.
What is the problem with drugs anyway, huh??
The violence and corruption is caused by the drug TRADE. Not DRUGS. Well, at least most, I'm excluding addicts that will do anything for their fix in this example.
The drug TRADE only exists because rather than taking control and regulating, the govt lets whoever the fuck wants to do illegal shit control the drug trade. Then they sit there and waste time fighting each other.
So then, if you think the problem with drugs is the drugs themselves, as so many people seem to believe, then HELP the people who use them, don't PUNISH them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is this not obvious??
When you show love and support and understanding to other humans, they may want to change.
If on the other hand, you take a kid who's coming from a poor family, bust him over something small, while all he wants to do is medicate and take the pain of his BS life away - you think punishment is better for this person than help? Passing him off to the dogs is going to make him want to be a better person when he is free, rather than listening to him and being there for him?
I'm pretty sure I'm one of the few people who actually DOES learn from help/support rather than punishment, so maybe the laws just don't work against my "type"
But I'm gonna blame the law for the people breaking it, because to me no laws exist and people should be able to put whatever they want into their bodies. I don't smoke weed to break the law. I smoke it to get high. I don't get high to BREAK OTHER LAWS 
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Enlil]
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Drugs are now only a spec of dust in comparison to whats truly going on. The government say it is ILLEGAL for me to use a drug which MAY POSSIBLY cause harm, yet these sick evil twisted pieces of shit allow my water company to SLOWLY POISON THE NATION, men, women, CHILDREN. They allow planes to spay TOXIC chemicals into the air, which you end up BREATHING and EATING.
While we are arguing over a petty drug law, we are allowing them to poison us, just like Hitler did to the Jews. If you do nothing to stop this you are as guilty as the German people who sat and did nothing as their leaders executed millions through genocide.
You're a good person because you don't do drugs. Yet you're happy to invade someone else's country, murder their children. You say THEIR the terrorists. You're sick in the head.
Watch this, see what our countries have done. You still proud.......?????????????? If the only thing YOURE bothered about is if I smoke a spliff or not you seriously need to get you're priorities right.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Enlil]
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Health risks from flouride (The ESTABLISHMENT thinks its okay to put this in our DAILY drinking water and food, WITHOUT WARNINGS)..... Allergies, Arthritis, Bone Disease, Brain damage, Cancer, Dental Fluorosis, Gastrointestinal problems, Immune System problems, Kidney problems, Pineal Gland, Reproductive problems, Thyroid Gland. (ALL are scientifically proven and are easily to resarch)
Just type into google "what is flouride". Then ask yourself, at what point would you put this in your communities drinking water?
Sorry Enlil, what are the dangers of cannabis again???
If you'd really like to, I can go into the E numbers the 'estabishment' and FDA allow to literrally POISON innocent unaware CHILDREN. If you only knew what this stuff was doing to childrens minds.
OR I can talk about vaccines we force our children to have. Honestly guys, stop listening to the esablishment, or anyone who represents them, they are 'Protected' criminals, and they ARE doing as much as they can to screw your health up.
Did you know we all have 'cannabanoid' (I'm not sure on the spelling) receptors in our brains, which are BENEFICIAL to the human body. A group of 'Reefa Madness' scientists thought it would be a GOOD idea to make a drug to remove these 'EVIL cannabanoids', to help with depression. Over 10 'test subjects' (I prefer to use the term 'people') committed suicide. The drug was withdrawn, and never spoken of.
If 'the establishment' listened to facts, logic, reason, understanding and had half an ounce of human nature, this world would be perfect. Why make something a problem, when it wasn't a problem to start with.
Man made Alcohol, GOD made cannabis, who do YOU trust.
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OMG, just had the craziest thought. Right, lets see if I can word this properly...
Rockerfeller got cannabis banned, by fraudulent and deceptive means (a criminal act), he is the banker who not only funded Adolf Hitler, but provided him with the weapons to murder our grandparents (a war crime in which he has not been accounted for). It is his toxic waste that is pumped into our water as a 'cheap' legal toxic waste disposal (this leads to deaths, mass murder - by proxy)
Now then, thats only a handfull of criminal acts.
So we have, 1. Fraud 2. War Crimes 3. Murder. If the police/army/establishment did their job, this evil man would be arrested. What does this mean?
Well, world war 1 & 2 made Rockefeller over $200'000'000. His fraud during the illegal war on cannabis made him billions through his oil and timber industries. ALL of this would be CONFISCATED under the proceeds of crime.
But this guys a world banker... his bank should be taken too, as this IS also a proceed of crime. In reality, we get our cash back. No more national debt. Then we start investigating the true 'men at the top'. No more world debt.
But don't worry about that, lets keep spending billions trying to stop me from smoking weed.
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SpiritDreamer said: OMG, just had the craziest thought. Right, lets see if I can word this properly...
Rockerfeller got cannabis banned, by fraudulent and deceptive means (a criminal act), he is the banker who not only funded Adolf Hitler, but provided him with the weapons to murder our grandparents (a war crime in which he has not been accounted for). It is his toxic waste that is pumped into our water as a 'cheap' legal toxic waste disposal (this leads to deaths, mass murder - by proxy)
Now then, thats only a handfull of criminal acts.
So we have, 1. Fraud 2. War Crimes 3. Murder. If the police/army/establishment did their job, this evil man would be arrested. What does this mean?
Well, world war 1 & 2 made Rockefeller over $200'000'000. His fraud during the illegal war on cannabis made him billions through his oil and timber industries. ALL of this would be CONFISCATED under the proceeds of crime.
But this guys a world banker... his bank should be taken too, as this IS also a proceed of crime. In reality, we get our cash back. No more national debt. Then we start investigating the true 'men at the top'. No more world debt.
But don't worry about that, lets keep spending billions trying to stop me from smoking weed. 
That's a lot of bare assertions without any support whatsoever...
Maybe that's the reason none of the powers that be take your letters seriously.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Enlil]
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Lol, they're all working together. Thats why the worlds getting worse, not better.
The evidence is overwhelming. Here Hilary Clinton admits America trained funded, and provided weapons to the Alquada (CIA database of the Afghanis trained by the CIA was known as AL- CIA- DA. The CIA DAtabase).
Here a former CIA asset, tells all.....
Here a former MI5 agent speaks out......
Bet you didn't watch this one then, so I'll re-post it, see for yourself what this criminal is responsible for, I strongly highlight that taking away the cure and allowing people to die is MURDER on the sickest level, sitting by and watching MILLIONS of people slowly suffer in agony, dying. our so-called police and government are doing NOTHING for the people. One word GENOCIDE.
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I think this story is relevant.
My parents brought me up to believe that gay people were 'sick evil godless sinners' who will be 'punished' for their sick godless ways. So of course, I grew up a homophobic that thought all gay people were dirty paedophiles who wanted to rape my bum.
I was 18 years old, and called a 'gay boy' by a 13yr old, I responded by saying "all gays are sick and they deserve to die".
Now, I was with a group of 20 kids. I regretted saying it, not because of what I THOUGHT, but because of who I said it in front of. The teachers were also in hearing distance.
Evening came, the kids went to the dorm and the teachers and myself were sat talking. On of the teachers phone starts ringing, he answers.
"Hi gary.... give me a sec". He gets up and goes into the kitchen at the opposite end of the hall. There was a serving hatch so I could just hear the conversation. I hear the words "I miss you"...... puzzled......"I LOVE YOU".
So I'm now thinking to myself.... hold on a minute. This teacher is gay,(panicking).... shit.... did he hear what I said!?
All week this teacher is speaking to me like a normal person, he's acting normal. Definitely gay. Really nice guy.
At the end of the week he asked me to have a word with him. He said he heard what I had said. He explained how someones sexuality does not mean they are immediately a pervert. That the love and attraction I experience for women, he has for men, he cannot change that. That as with most men on the pull you face rejection, that does not mean they want to rape you if you say no. That to say 'I'm not gay' will normally be responded with 'okay I'm sorry' not "YOU WILL BE GAY".
It made me open my eyes and LISTEN to what people have to say, too see things from both sides. Then the magic really began, and the wonderful, WONDERFUL people came out from under the rocks the establishment has put on them.
Peace to the world, every colour, every nation, every person.
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Forgot to put this guy on too, His name is Tony Farrell. He was a police officer for west yorkshire. He was tasked by the police force to investigate 7/11. He found major holes in the 'governments' story, and realised who he was fighting against. He did his duty as a police officer and was sacked for it.
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I really need to highlight I am NOT anti-American or anti-British. I am anti-greed, anti-manipulation. I believe we are all HUMAN, and we should treat our fellow man as our brothers and sisters. The people of our countries are being deceived, and our basic freedoms are being exterminated.
The Obama Deception- full film HD quality.
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That's a lot of information...but none of it is evidence that rockerfeller committed fraud, murder, or war crimes.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Enlil]
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lol again. See people, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Complete Denial. Believe me, I set out to find out the reason drugs were illegal. I had first hand experience with drug gangs, drug dealers, arms dealers, bomb makers. Yet I also see the millions worldwide wrongly persecuted for an opinion. Cannabis was ONLY banned because of his 'reefer madness' in the 1930's. Followed by a lawsuit to get mexican high evil 'MARIJUANA' banned, without telling people that hemp was the biggest industry in the world. From cannabis you can make, medicine, oil, petrol, fabrics, paper. Have you noticed how jeans don't last like they used to, yes, its because they were made from hemp (stronger than man made fibre, wool and cotton). Ooooohhhhh sorry, everyones not supposed to know that. Please delete from your mind and keep using expensive fossil fuels that are getting low (no need to import fuel, renewable= cheaper!!).
Rockerfeller is a self-proclaimed Jew. Yet a Jew is a man of god, he is a man of lies and greed.
So many people worldwide telling us we're infidels, threatening to bomb us, AND ITS USA AND UK GIVING THEM ORDERS!!!! When we have CIA, MI5, Police officers, Politicians, Doctors telling us this is going on, at what stage do you begin to listen. All I am doing is spreading the word, waking people up. No once have I made threats, I ONLY speak of fairness, honesty and peace. If that is a bad thing I am guilty as charged.
One thing I can absolutely guarentee, unless we act as one now and stop following this 'beast', you WILL become slaves, with NOWHERE in the world to escape.
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Rockerfeller is a self-proclaimed Jew. Yet a Jew is a man of god, he is a man of lies and greed.
So many people worldwide telling us we're infidels, threatening to bomb us, AND ITS USA AND UK GIVING THEM ORDERS!!!! When we have CIA, MI5, Police officers, Politicians, Doctors telling us this is going on, at what stage do you begin to listen. All I am doing is spreading the word, waking people up. No once have I made threats, I ONLY speak of fairness, honesty and peace. If that is a bad thing I am guilty as charged.
One thing I can absolutely guarentee, unless we act as one now and stop following this 'beast', you WILL become slaves, with NOWHERE in the world to escape.
Sounds like religious nonsense to me.
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Lol, yes religious 'nonsense'.
Again, to everyone else please look into religion. You will clearly see these evil men spouting hatred, passing unfounded judgment, wearing elaborate gowns, dowsed in gold. Preaching love and forgiveness then standing in front of a murderous army telling them god is on their side.
Look into the history of the Vatican, there are satanic rituals performed, mass murders, you will find photographs of the pope shaking hands with Hitler (to make the german people believe what they were doing was right in the eyes of god).
These people took books out of the Bible, these books are incredible. Enoch and Jubilees. I only found these books last week.
I honestly have no shame whatsoever to admit I am one of gods children. I am NOT a holy one, I am NOT special, I am just a sinner who realized what was really happening.
I went on a mission to make a case in court and defend myself if they used what I called 'religious nonsense'. I went into the bible to find the truth, I looked into so many faiths. The things I discovered only confirmed god. I truly do not expect anyone to change their faith or to start believing in god.
But it is my duty to warn people if their lives are in danger. Chemical poisoning, through food, air and water in my eyes is something to warn people about. Thats not religious, thats being a HUMAN.
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Again, to everyone else please look into religion. You will clearly see these evil men spouting hatred, passing unfounded judgment, wearing elaborate gowns, dowsed in gold. Preaching love and forgiveness then standing in front of a murderous army telling them god is on their side.
Look into the history of the Vatican, there are satanic rituals performed, mass murders, you will find photographs of the pope shaking hands with Hitler (to make the german people believe what they were doing was right in the eyes of god).
These people took books out of the Bible, these books are incredible. Enoch and Jubilees. I only found these books last week.
I honestly have no shame whatsoever to admit I am one of gods children. I am NOT a holy one, I am NOT special, I am just a sinner who realized what was really happening.
I went on a mission to make a case in court and defend myself if they used what I called 'religious nonsense'. I went into the bible to find the truth, I looked into so many faiths. The things I discovered only confirmed god. I truly do not expect anyone to change their faith or to start believing in god.
But it is my duty to warn people if their lives are in danger. Chemical poisoning, through food, air and water in my eyes is something to warn people about. Thats not religious, thats being a HUMAN.
SD is my favorite dude on this forum, and there are LOTS of cool people here
this guy's on a life-mission though, and posting to us about it.
Much love brother 
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Touched bro.
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Its horrific, see what other countries are telling us.
THIS is on Russia Today news.
"NATO says only one shooter was behind the massacre in Kandahar province. But Afghan investigators estimate up to 20 people split into two groups had been operating in two villages, killing 16 people, most of them women and children, on March 11.
On Friday, Afghan President Hamid Karzai lashed out at the US for the lack of cooperation in the shooting probe. Karzai said Washington was not providing enough support and demanded the US show more respect toward his country."
It is a sad, sad day. God bless the innocents caught in our governments sick deeds.
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I'm kind of sorry about this post, BUT I need to show you guys something. I hope it will help you understand why I'm so vocal. Why I cannot say/do nothing.
I started listening to the 'dirty immigrants' in my country, they are, (shockingly), NORMAL PEOPLE LIKE ME. They told me that what was in the news about the middle east was a pack of lies.
I've seen U.S gunship helicopters gun down crowds of people, I've seen schools getting blown up. I've seen kids getting the piss taken out of by soldiers (Offering the equivalent of 5p to get starving homeless kids to dance).
During the New Orleans flood, soldiers were asking women to show their breasts, then when they refused rode off leaving them on top of roofs.
When you next hear the term 'COLLATERAL DAMAGE' it means this........ http:// WE CALL THE PEOPLE WHO DID THIS HERO'S!!
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Something I should say about Mayan 2012 'end of the world'. There are a few issues I need to highlight.
As far as my research is directing me, it is based upon the pre-Julius Caesar calender which only had 364 days per year. These extra days were added by the Romans. By this calender we are only somewhere between 2000-2009.
The next part is the term 'end of the world', this is a misinterpretation, its is not referring to an Apocalypse, but a new time/era, like mankind has never seen before (in a very bad way).
Most religions are only voicing 'armageddon', not what comes first. This is what the Mayans are warning of, What is to come. There teachings are being seriously warped by our media, to blind you to what is coming, like they are blinding you from everything else.
The media build up so much 'hype' about a misinterpreted prophesy, in order to decimate it when it doesn't happen. So the people LOOSE faith, and begin to question themselves. We end up with a world full of people who wake up believing they are nothing, nobody, and born to work their life so another man can live in luxury, with the 'hope' that he may build up his wealth, only to end up on a pension at 65 thinking 'what the fuck have I done with my life?'.
We used to live where the community looked after one another, we survived and were once great hunters, wise men (REAL MEN). Now, we've been manipulated to believing our community should be feared and we should rely on criminal corporations, we now see wise men as 'men is suits', and class murderers as heroes.
It is the duty of men, as a father as a brother to protect their family to join and protect their community. Our fore-fathers handed us over. Turned us from great men, to enslaved wimps, who only care about gadgets, money, sex and pathetic things, relying on everyone else to do everything we 'can't be bothered' to do for ourselves. We now think watching football and drinking beer makes us a man, how asleep are we?
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As far as my research is directing me, it is based upon the pre-Julius Caesar calender which only had 364 days per year. These extra days were added by the Romans. By this calender we are only somewhere between 2000-2009.
If they were on a 364 days per year calendar, and then we added a day to make 365 (plus leap years) and that was over a thousand years ago, it would actually be past 2012, not before it.
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SpiritDreamer said: Something I should say about Mayan 2012 'end of the world'. There are a few issues I need to highlight.
As far as my research is directing me, it is based upon the pre-Julius Caesar calender which only had 364 days per year. These extra days were added by the Romans. By this calender we are only somewhere between 2000-2009.
The next part is the term 'end of the world', this is a misinterpretation, its is not referring to an Apocalypse, but a new time/era, like mankind has never seen before (in a very bad way).
Most religions are only voicing 'armageddon', not what comes first. This is what the Mayans are warning of, What is to come. There teachings are being seriously warped by our media, to blind you to what is coming, like they are blinding you from everything else.
The media build up so much 'hype' about a misinterpreted prophesy, in order to decimate it when it doesn't happen. So the people LOOSE faith, and begin to question themselves. We end up with a world full of people who wake up believing they are nothing, nobody, and born to work their life so another man can live in luxury, with the 'hope' that he may build up his wealth, only to end up on a pension at 65 thinking 'what the fuck have I done with my life?'.
We used to live where the community looked after one another, we survived and were once great hunters, wise men (REAL MEN). Now, we've been manipulated to believing our community should be feared and we should rely on criminal corporations, we now see wise men as 'men is suits', and class murderers as heroes.
It is the duty of men, as a father as a brother to protect their family to join and protect their community. Our fore-fathers handed us over. Turned us from great men, to enslaved wimps, who only care about gadgets, money, sex and pathetic things, relying on everyone else to do everything we 'can't be bothered' to do for ourselves. We now think watching football and drinking beer makes us a man, how asleep are we?
Couldn't agree with this post more. I won't give my life nor will I let the rulers of this world buy my time from me to further their motives. I will know what it means to be a human being.
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Well I misspoke. I WILL give my life, fearlessly, but it will be for what I believe in. Truth, peace, spirit and it's unification with material.
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As far as my research is directing me, it is based upon the pre-Julius Caesar calender which only had 364 days per year. These extra days were added by the Romans. By this calender we are only somewhere between 2000-2009.
If they were on a 364 days per year calendar, and then we added a day to make 365 (plus leap years) and that was over a thousand years ago, it would actually be past 2012, not before it.

Very tired (and stoned) writing my post, 2015-2024. Sorry, The point I was trying to make, is that our timescale has been warped, there are variations in dates. That it is only an estimate and that the media are voicing an incorrect prophesy, purposely to decimate it.
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I love this ad so much, all Americans vote Ron Paul.
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My painting. Sketched during a shroom trip. Nothing special, but something different for a change. Not talking about this stuff today. Need a day of R&R. Time to chill.... aaaahhhhhhh.
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A link for everyone in the UK. Together, united, we stand. Not for ourselves, but for the people of our country, every race, every colour. United we stand, only in the name of peace. Not just for the rich, but for the poor, not just for the old, but for the young, not for this generation, but for the generations to follow. By standing together in a show of non-violence, non-disturbance we don't play their game, and they cannot use us as their pawns.
http://www.ukcolumn.org/
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I give a massive warning to EVERYONE on shroomery. America, Uk, France and several countries are uniting to shut down the internet.
Sites like shroomery, will be declared as extremist. WE the users and the makers of this site WILL be deemed 'terrorists'. Which in turn means YOU can be imprisoned without trial. If they imprison and execute everyone like me, there will be NO-ONE left to speak on behalf of humanity. Which is exactly what they want.
ALL emails, phone calls, texts WILL be checked (through google/aol/sky/02/orange/facebook etc) via a PRIVATE 'security' 'force'.
I promise you, big brother is almost in full power. Your lives will NEVER be the same. This is a severe warning to all, if you accept their 'authority', join them, it will NEVER let you escape.
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love you man
but is it possible for them to formulate some shit where they eliminate all of us "fucked up people" and make it seem right? can they really find a way to justify everyone that so many of these people deserve their rights stripped?
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Need to add, this checking is already being done illegally, they need to hack your phones/computers legally, in order to use everything you say and do against you. This WILL happen before end June this year, whether you know its happened or they sneak it into the back of another 'terrorist' bill and do it secretly, is unknown. But warning has now been given.
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LOL, just write in FEEMA camp into google.
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Sorry FEMA camp. They already have MILLIONS of plastic coffins ready.
Just remember guys, the German people didn't think Hitler was capable of a Holocaust. It was their blindness that led to World war 1 & 2. IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN!!
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SpiritDreamer said: Sorry FEMA camp. They already have MILLIONS of plastic coffins ready.
Just remember guys, the German people didn't think Hitler was capable of a Holocaust. It was their blindness that led to World war 1 & 2. IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN!!
Dude...that's a myth...those aren't coffins...and if they were going to kill millions, they wouldn't use coffins...Maybe mass graves, but more likely cremation...
When June comes and nothing happens, are you going to finally seek the help you desperately need? I fear you're on the edge of losing complete touch with reality.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Enlil]
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lol. Look at china my good friend.
See how their internet is controlled. ANYTHING deemed unfit for public is immediately removed. Just like the protesters getting massacred by the police, dead bodies over the floor. You will NOT find this informtion in china. Even their facebook is controlled.
You won't even know their there. Honestly my friend, I truly hope i am wrong. Whether these people take over in 1 month or 10 years, It will happen.
I'll re-post this vid too, don't look at this for the abortion side or religion side ONLY look at how the Nazi's worked. Watch the German people walk into the concentration camps, COMPLETELY UNAWARE of the horror they were about to see.
History is repeating itself. Its blind self-proclaimed 'patriots' who are handing the people of their country and the world, into the hands of criminals, murderers and enslavers.
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So, is that a yes or a no?
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Okay, this was printed in yesterdays News Corps Sun newspaper....

Just read what Theresa May says..... "But now our new technology can be used by criminals"... hold on numpty, if criminals use new technology, that means criminals will use this new technology. In that context, this means next time you text a friend to tell them you're going on holiday, the criminals will know your house is empty.
Criminals (like me) are not stupid, we'll just invent a new lingo. Instead of asking for a bag of weed I'll be asking for a bunch of bananas. Sick that in your shoe and wear it.
Will I seek help? Was that your question? You want me to see a doctor who prescribed my wife the contraceptive pill. He did not tell her she was actually having an abortion every month, which in turn has given her poly-cystic ovaries, which in turn means we cant have any more kids. You want me to go to a doctor that fucking LAUGHED when he told us.
Ok, here's another one Enlil, not coffins they're 'just storage boxes'.... You have a small 'elite' force that is prepared to murder its own people (like with 9/11), normal soldiers/people couldn't do this. Now, this elite force begins to execute people. These bodies still need to be transported/moved. You put the bodies in these 'storage boxes' and now ANYONE can move them (including normal courier servies)! You then only need a small elite force to do the dirty work, and everyone else who is oblivious will clean it up and hide the evidence. That is sick 'strategic' planning, not paranoia or delusion.
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Okay...That's a "no"...I do wish the best for you, but I fear you're probably too far gone.
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Enlil, are you a paid internet shill? (Far worse than a troll)
You keep expecting me to answer your questions, yet you never directly respond to the subject with which I am highlighting.
Like with the last post, you dismiss me, refer to me as having mental problems. Yet there was no recognition, that the Nazi Power was ignored by the German people. That is is a PROVEN FACT that a government is capable of and has committed crimes without the public's knowledge. That it is in no way a mental problem, but a JUSTIFIED concern.
Youre camps are already being built.
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Dude...there are no fema prison camps...it's a big lie...you were lied to.
I've been to several of the "fema camp" locations...they are NOT, in any way, set up to imprison a dozen people, much less thousands...
You were lied to.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Enlil]
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Enlil]
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Sorry, been away visiting my daughter.
Just for curiosity, we went off-route to bypass an RAF (Royal Air Force) base, there was not one military vehicle in sight. If it wasn't for the barb wire fence, and the endless CCTV cameras, you'd think it was 'just a collage/school'. Hold on, they too have barb wire fence's and endless CCTV..... so OBVIOUSLY it cant be an RAF training centre.
Enlil, do you honestly want me to give a response to that vid. Its got more holes in it than a sieve.
You say I've been lied to, I know, I've found out the truth and I'm telling you that you're being lied to. I'm going from former FBI, CIA, police officers, who've been their, seen the evidence with their own eyes, who are trying desperately to get their stories out. I have not once called for violence or any act of destruction. I am merely saying what is going to happen, and if you DO become violent or cause any destruction, it will be used against you. That you should love the world, be kind, help your community, look after you're family.
You think that's a bad thing?
The ONLY people who would constitute that as a threat is someone who demands/wants 'authority' believing their fellow man to be 'below' them. What sick minded people they are. You think I'm mental, look at the guys in power, are they really looking after YOU.
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You think that's a bad thing?
Obviously no one thinks that that is a bad message, some of us just prefer to do those things outside the guise of a mass conspiracy.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Trypppy]
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I completely understand that, but like the group anonymous, who are hacking government websites, arranging mass protests, to cause unrest, is not the way to go. And because of the likes of this 'terrorism' I would be put in the same box.
Here in the uk, we had riots, 2 riots. One students, which turned nasty (You have a group of students protesting because of the new student fees, the prince and his wife drive through the riot, and things kick off, I wonder why, nothing better than the organ grinder going to watch his future monkeys cry for freedom). The second riot, a bunch of screwed up kids. Do we resolve the problem? Do we try to make sure it doesn't happen again? No, we arm the police, now they can be shot for protesting. Doesn't stop the problem, just makes people terrified to have a voice.
Again here in the Uk we sacked over 10000 police officers. Now our government is broadcasting we need to have a PRIVATE police force because we cant cope. We sacked over 5000 nurses, now most surgery has to be done PRIVATELY. We are also PRIVATISING our roads. If everything we pay for in tax and national insurance doesn't go on police, nhs or roads, it only leaves fat cats pockets and war.
Just think about it this way, most of the info I have posted, ie from Annie Machon, Brian Gerish they would have been imprisoned/fined and shut down for liable and slander, why has this not been done in the 2 years it has been broadcast? Because all of it can be proven in court. Instead, they rely on people like you to keep it quiet.
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Why aren't you the government 
I partially translated this to Dutch and sent it to drug policy reform, Netherlands. Thanks for very good arguing points
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Beanhead]
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I must tell you all what happened this weekend. (every time 'he' speaks I quote EXACTLY what he said).
We were at a friends house party, having a good time. My friends son came in later in the evening, bringing some friends with him.
My wife heard one of his friends talking about the central banking system, she quickly got me, "This guy, knows what we know".
I went into the kitchen and asked him if he knew about the new world order, freemasonry, illuminati. He quickly said, "you dont have a fucking clue".
I mentioned chem-trails, FDA, CODEX, false flag terrorism, he smiled. "You have No fucking idea, I could sit here for days telling you the shit they are doing!! There's NOTHING you can do, NOTHING." I asked him where he got his information from. To which he lifted his trouser leg to reveal Freemason tattoo, "My whole family are Freemasons, believe me, WE ARE ALL FUCKED".
I asked him if he'd tried to warn people he quickly "Yes, they all fucking laughed and thought I was mad, so fuck them all. Fucking mock me and take the piss, when their throats are getting slashed, their kids are getting raped, their houses are being fucking ransacked, lets see the cunts laugh then. Fucking idiots have no idea whats coming to them," he then pointed to all our friends in the living room "ALL OF THEM deserve everything they get. Don't help them, just ride the wave, go with the flow"
I told him about this thread. He shook his head, "you conspire against these people, they WILL kill you, I promise you, if you dont stop, they will kill you" This was NOT a threat, it was a very emotional warning to me.
Everything I am saying has now been confirmed to me by two people related and in direct contact with freemasonry (from 2 separate parts of UK). I have NO doubt in my mind what is about to happen.
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Lol...This post cracked me up...
When you surround yourself with crazy, you're gonna hear a lot of crazy...
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Enlil]
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When you surround yourself with crazy, you're gonna hear a lot of crazy...
I was anticipating your response as something along the lines of "anecdotes are inadmissable," but you "lol"ing at that macabre imagery surprised even me. Worst response ever. If you can laugh at something that evil, it should be easy to see why you're part of the problem.
I say you're a shill.
No intention of flaming. I just can't fathom how that would make you laugh. I say you're a shill because your tactic to disclaim the validity of that post was just to call it crazy. I've heard that one before. Why else ya got?
Again, not flaming. Trying to keep it peaceful with you enlil. You just made my jaw drop laughing at the thought of holocaust images.
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Enlil said: Lol...This post cracked me up...
When you surround yourself with crazy, you're gonna hear a lot of crazy...
I was anticipating your response as something along the lines of "anecdotes are inadmissable," but you "lol"ing at that macabre imagery surprised even me. Worst response ever. If you can laugh at something that evil, it should be easy to see why you're part of the problem.
I say you're a shill.
No intention of flaming. I just can't fathom how that would make you laugh. I say you're a shill because your tactic to disclaim the validity of that post was just to call it crazy. I've heard that one before. Why else ya got?
Again, not flaming. Trying to keep it peaceful with you enlil. You just made my jaw drop laughing at the thought of holocaust images.
That's why it's funny...because it's so ridiculous. The fact that anyone would believe it is the very fact that makes it funny...
There isn't a single shred of evidence to support any of these theories about illuminati or the freemasons, yet an entire subculture of people who share ideas on the internet have created this vast mythology which includes everything from ritual child abuse to systematic rapes...
I'm not the one who makes this shit up...If you want to find the sick minds, you need to look at the sources of these wild theories.
The interesting part of all of it is that no one ever can come up with a single shred of reliable evidence that any of this stuff is real. It's all wild speculation piled upon other wild speculation...
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Enlil]
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The look in this guys eyes was pure terror, not madness, I have a friend who was raped, not even she had the look of terror that I saw in his eyes.
I completely understand you cannot comprehend what is happening, I was exactly the same 3 years ago. It was only when the LIES and DECEIT were uncovered about the drug law, that EVERYTHING else fell into place.
Honestly ENLIL answer my question, IF SOMEONE CAN HOLD BACK AND DENY THE CURE FOR CANCER, GIVING MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE A DEATH SENTENCE (regardless of race/colour/religion), WITH NO CARE WHATSOEVER FOR THE EXCRUTIATING PAIN, THE DECIMATION OF A FAMILY. WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS?
Wild speculation? Get your head out the sand and read this, nice to hear someone call Winston Churchill a speculator. You say I'm mad. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/lines.htm
QUOTE "LINES OF CREDIT: ROPES OF BONDAGE is about the financiers, their fellow conspirators and the plot to destroy Western Christian civilization. It was written for the concerned American – not for the skeptic.
In likelihood, the skeptic will, without ever having read it, dismiss this – with a roll of the eyes and wave of the hand while at the same time declaring it to be outrageous fiction – just another attempt to promote the "conspiracy theory of history."
Quite honestly, I did not write LINES OF CREDIT: ROPES OF BONDAGE with a hope or intention of convincing those "doubting Thomases" who, unlike the Apostle Thomas who finally believed, will continue to deny the existence of the conspiracy in spite of overwhelming and conclusive evidence to the contrary. Actually these skeptics are important to the conspirators; they are the "useful idiots" so cherished by Lenin."
I wonder what kind of people he's talking about??
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I forgot to say I watched this on RT (russia today news), as far as I'm aware it was banned to be broadcast in America, this is why they want to control the web, so you dont see vids like this.....
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More from RT,
and for us in the uk, 7/7, the truth..... (I live where one of the 'bombers' was from, all my Asian friends told me this was all a lie, I disbelieved, how wrong I was)
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SpiritDreamer said: The look in this guys eyes was pure terror, not madness, I have a friend who was raped, not even she had the look of terror that I saw in his eyes.
I completely understand you cannot comprehend what is happening, I was exactly the same 3 years ago. It was only when the LIES and DECEIT were uncovered about the drug law, that EVERYTHING else fell into place.
Honestly ENLIL answer my question, IF SOMEONE CAN HOLD BACK AND DENY THE CURE FOR CANCER, GIVING MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE A DEATH SENTENCE (regardless of race/colour/religion), WITH NO CARE WHATSOEVER FOR THE EXCRUTIATING PAIN, THE DECIMATION OF A FAMILY. WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS?
Wild speculation? Get your head out the sand and read this, nice to hear someone call Winston Churchill a speculator. You say I'm mad. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/lines.htm
QUOTE "LINES OF CREDIT: ROPES OF BONDAGE is about the financiers, their fellow conspirators and the plot to destroy Western Christian civilization. It was written for the concerned American – not for the skeptic.
In likelihood, the skeptic will, without ever having read it, dismiss this – with a roll of the eyes and wave of the hand while at the same time declaring it to be outrageous fiction – just another attempt to promote the "conspiracy theory of history."
Quite honestly, I did not write LINES OF CREDIT: ROPES OF BONDAGE with a hope or intention of convincing those "doubting Thomases" who, unlike the Apostle Thomas who finally believed, will continue to deny the existence of the conspiracy in spite of overwhelming and conclusive evidence to the contrary. Actually these skeptics are important to the conspirators; they are the "useful idiots" so cherished by Lenin."
I wonder what kind of people he's talking about??
I read the link you provided...but there is no evidence there to support anything like what you claimed in an earlier post. This is simply a misguided fellow's attempt to defend his own irrational belief in a "God" by showing that some people who don't believe as he believes do things that aren't always nice..
How does this support your allegation of mass rapes and murder?
Answer: It doesn't...
It also doesn't support any "conspiracy"...it supports a theory that multiple ideologies tend to conflict with each other and that people who adopt these ideologies tend to defend these ideologies with violence..
Again...no conspiracy is necessary for people to be ignorant, cruel and irrational...They need only be people.
The problem here is that neither you nor anyone who believes like you can ever even give one bit of evidence to support the theory that there is some grand conspiracy. Sure, wars have made people rich. Wars have been started to make people rich. Many people have done many evil acts...That doesn't make it all part of some grand conspiracy.
Truthfully, you don't really want to expose anything...nor are you interested in changing anything...You just enjoy the comfort of believing in something...If you really wanted to change the world, you would be presenting real evidence in a logical and well formulated argument...in an attempt to convince people that your theory is correct. If people believe what you say, they will line up in droves to help to fight it. But you aren't interested in that...probably because you realize that you have no evidence that could ever convince anyone of the truth of your claims. Your claims fall under the category of "matters of faith"...they cannot be proven...
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Enlil]
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Unfortunately, we are at a stage of you think I'm nuts, I think you're part of this.
If you don't like what I say, why keep coming onto my thread?
I make the statement that as far as I am concerned, there is no going back, I publish this information, not to scare people, not to make people angry, but to wake people up to the mind control which is making everyone think that war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength. Believe that we are all animals with no rights, who WILL work so one man can be a king.
I in no way incite a violent rebellion, so I absolutely pose no threat to anyone. If I am mad, at least Its peaceful mad, not massacre people (like the government) mad. I share this information not to convert anyone, just to make people aware of what is happening, and to give those who find out a glimmer of hope, that the shit they have been given in life, is NOT gods punishment, but ALL by the hands of MAN. To warn people the more you protest and riot, the worse things will become.
Not talking religion, I urge ANYONE with an ounce of sanity left, watch this vid, it called 'THE MONEY MASTERS'
I know many Atheists, evolutionists, they have NO belief in god, they don't go round killing people either. Not believing in god doesn't make you evil, so don't go twisting my words shill.
Enlil is clearly in the bankers pockets, there is NO way any decent human could make comments like he has. Some of your comments repulse me, yet I pity you, rather than hate you.
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May just be a coincidence, but in my research of freemasonry, the freemasons believe they are 'ENLghtened'- the ILluminati (from the word illuminated)
ENLIL.
That sir, is a conspiracy theory , No fact or vailidation, or evidence. Just a (very amusing) observation.
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ENLIL.
That sir, is a conspiracy theory , No fact or vailidation, or evidence. Just a (very amusing) observation.
And you are most likely in favor of these mass rapes which you theorize will occur...
SPIRITeD REAMER...
In any case, this is typical bullshit. When you are challenged on the validity and evidentuary support for your theory, you accuse the challenger of being a shill..
Well, whether it matters or not, I work every day to fight government oppression. All I do for a living is try to keep people out of government captivity and/or enslavement. If that makes me a "shill", then so be it...but what does that make someone whose contribution is a thread on a drug forum?
You can accuse me of whatever you want...and you can play word games with my handle...you can make wild speculations about this governmental conspiracy or that banking conspiracy...but, in the final analysis, you aren't actually DOING anything about it...You have already admitted that you're not interested in informing anyone who isn't already informed...
You want to preach to the choir...how very good that must make you feel about yourself....
But what about the 6 billion other people on the planet? Don't they need your knowledge much more than your clan of conspiracy believers? Or are you just practicing your own form of elitism? You want to be the ones who have some esoteric understanding of how the world works without ever having the responsibility or task of leading anyone else to that knowledge...
Well...In my opinion, that is reprehensible...I don't believe in what you believe...I don't subscribe to the idea that there is some grand scheme by which some conspirators plan to enslave the world...BUT IF I DID...I would feel a moral obligation to do something about it...
You only feel an obligation to spout theories and disregard those who disagree...
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I completely understand you cannot comprehend what is happening, I was exactly the same 3 years ago. It was only when the LIES and DECEIT were uncovered about the drug law, that EVERYTHING else fell into place.
Thats not disregarding, thats understanding, and explaining my position.
The problem is, you did EXACTLY as I said you would, you didn't even see you were about to show your true colors, to everyone who visits this thread.
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In likelihood, the skeptic will, without ever having read it, dismiss this – with a roll of the eyes and wave of the hand while at the same time declaring it to be outrageous fiction – just another attempt to promote the "conspiracy theory of history."
Now, when I responded to you, I posted a document, which took me TWO DAYS to read, I posted several video's with a run time of over 8 HOURS.
You responded in less than 3 hours. There is NO possibility you looked at all of the evidence. So there is NO possibility you can give a justified and educated response.
You have made your decision I am 'mental', that my statements are 'hilarious' (even though the topic is nothing to be joked about), and now you say I've disregarded you. At least i had the decency to watch the video you asked me, to watch in full, and I also offered to give a FULL breakdown of the video. The ONLY thing you have done is insulted my intelligence, offended my beliefs, disregarded my message and twist my words.
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But what about the 6 billion other people on the planet? Don't they need your knowledge much more than your clan of conspiracy believers? Or are you just practicing your own form of elitism? You want to be the ones who have some esoteric understanding of how the world works without ever having the responsibility or task of leading anyone else to that knowledge...
Well...In my opinion, that is reprehensible...I don't believe in what you believe...I don't subscribe to the idea that there is some grand scheme by which some conspirators plan to enslave the world...BUT IF I DID...I would feel a moral obligation to do something about it...
You only feel an obligation to spout theories and disregard those who disagree...
I used to be an outdoor instructor, leading groups of children up mountains, along gorge walks, climbing, abseiling, we did team building exercises, this job was my steeping stone to understanding life. I saw with my own eyes how 'privileged' children we given all, while the 'lower' class was left to rot. I met kids who didn't even know what a sheep was.
You've just said you would feel a moral obligation to do something about it, why is that statement different to me? What do you do when a skeptic does as much as he can to destroy your warning?
You've also just said you don't believe me, I myself have been on UFO threads, Evolution threads, and although I don't believe, I would never jump into that persons thread to insult them, or despute their beliefs.
Why am I on a drug forum, because I take drugs, I saw the unjustified law, I saw the unfair persecution, I saw the abuse. I looked into the drug law, and all I found was a pack of lies, deceit, corruption, murder and an empire of corporations killing our world, and the people on it.
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First, you need to understand that this isn't YOUR thread...this is A thread on someone else's site...
Second, of course I didn't watch your videos...I read the material on the link you provided...You said "In likelihood, the skeptic will, without ever having read it, dismiss this"...However, I did read it...I also read this entire thread...
I'm not interested in a talking head video...I'm interested in evidence. Conspiracy theorists seem to think that the more videos they link, the more evidence they're providing...That isn't true.
Where is YOUR argument backed by cited evidence...primary sources...
Posting video after video of talking heads spewing theories isn't evidence...that's multiple people making arguments...
P.S. I never asked you to watch a video or give a breakdown...I simply posted a video as a response to a video...Neither one is evidence.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Enlil]
#16141801 - 04/26/12 10:00 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, this is MY thread on someone else's site. If the Moderators wish they may ban me at any time or close the thread. But this falls under the UN's Human rights act, Freedom of speech, The right to an opinion, and the right to discuss this. (What I said the government are trying to ban)
There is No chance you could have read the WHOLE Lines of Credit, Ropes of Bondage in 3 Hours. I say you're speaking out of your bum hole.
Again, you judge, ridicule, mock and openly dispute something you haven't even seen. The thread alone is gobbledygook. The video's are vital to understanding. Especially 9/11 and 7/7, there is photographic evidence, witness testemony, police statements and full run down of events. YOU choose not to look.
If you watch the video's, before you ridiculed them you'd know exactly who the sources were, and have a basic knowledge of what those arguments were. Yet instead you demand evidence directly from me. Like I have all of the document and people right here next to me.
If you didn't want me to watch a vid why did you post it? That makes no sense whatsoever?! This is a thread which I started and I look over, if no-one believes the first few pages, they will immediately switch to another thread dismissing everything they have read, so you must find something a threat?
Usual course of a shill-
1) Abuse - verbal insults, 2) Mental Issues- likens threads to mental illnesses 3) Questions Authenticity - yet refuses to view material 4) Twists words - Will usually liken the OP to the people who they are speaking against.
(you ticked all boxes)
The aim is to upset/anger the op into submission to end the thread.
If you spent the time watching the facts, listening to the evidence instead of arguing with me we may be able to have a proper discussion. Which I am more than happy to do.
However, You have made the statement you are not going to watch the things I post, you will not read the documents I post, so their is no need for any communication with you any further. You can 'cry wolf' and call me crazy, I knew what to expect before I began to post this stuff, I expect nothing else.
My thread and my links will continue......
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SpiritDreamer said: No, this is MY thread on someone else's site. If the Moderators wish they may ban me at any time or close the thread. But this falls under the UN's Human rights act, Freedom of speech, The right to an opinion, and the right to discuss this. (What I said the government are trying to ban)
Incorrect. This is a website operated in the US, and freedom of speech is only protected against government censorship...The owners of this site can remove this thread at anytime...human rights have nothing to do with it. And anyone else that uses this site has as much right to this thread as you.
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There is No chance you could have read the WHOLE Lines of Credit, Ropes of Bondage in 3 Hours. I say you're speaking out of your bum hole.
Another barefaced accusation with no foundation. I read a lot...every day...That's what lawyers do...Call me a liar all you want...I read it.
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Again, you judge, ridicule, mock and openly dispute something you haven't even seen. The thread alone is gobbledygook. The video's are vital to understanding. Especially 9/11 and 7/7, there is photographic evidence, witness testemony, police statements and full run down of events. YOU choose not to look.
I choose not to watch propaganda videos without any foundation whatsoever...I also choose not to watch the over 30 hours of video you have on this thread...90% of it is simply allegations with no support...
If YOU have a particular theory that YOU wish to support with evidence, I am all eyes...Simply state your theory and the evidence that you have to support it...I will GLADLY give you that courtesy...That is not the same as simply linking 30 hours of video and expecting others to go through it looking for the one or two plausible theories within.
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If you watch the video's, before you ridiculed them you'd know exactly who the sources were, and have a basic knowledge of what those arguments were. Yet instead you demand evidence directly from me. Like I have all of the document and people right here next to me.
That's just my point...those videos don't cite sources either...I gave one of your videos 15 minutes before I realized that they were full of speculation without any evidentuary support...Again...if there is even an hour of good material in all you linked, it isn't worth going through 30 hours to find it...
But I suspect you can't tell the difference anymore
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If you didn't want me to watch a vid why did you post it? That makes no sense whatsoever?! This is a thread which I started and I look over, if no-one believes the first few pages, they will immediately switch to another thread dismissing everything they have read, so you must find something a threat?
Where is the logical nexus there? How do you come to the conclusion that I find a "threat" if I continue to read the thread? That is another barefaced conclusion without any logical support...
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Usual course of a shill-
1) Abuse - verbal insults, 2) Mental Issues- likens threads to mental illnesses 3) Questions Authenticity - yet refuses to view material 4) Twists words - Will usually liken the OP to the people who they are speaking against.
(you ticked all boxes)
It's always nice when you get to make up the definitions of things as you go along...that's probably very convenient.
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The aim is to upset/anger the op into submission to end the thread.
The aim is to get you to a) argue and support your theory, or b) accept that it is meritless.
Where you are now, you believe a ton of stuff without any logical reason to believe it...You're not alone in this...billions of people believe that some dude 2000 years ago came back from the dead...
At least those people don't pretend that their belief is logical and based on evidence...they accept that it's a matter of faith...If your beliefs are a matter of faith, that's fine, too...but don't pretend that they are fact.
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If you spent the time watching the facts, listening to the evidence instead of arguing with me we may be able to have a proper discussion. Which I am more than happy to do.
As I said before...I gave a video 15 minutes..where was no evidence..there were no facts...there were just bare allegations.
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However, You have made the statement you are not going to watch the things I post, you will not read the documents I post, so their is no need for any communication with you any further. You can 'cry wolf' and call me crazy, I knew what to expect before I began to post this stuff, I expect nothing else.
I read the document you linked...but, of course, you simply call me a liar...That's another convenient technique...
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My thread and my links will continue......
I have no doubt.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Enlil]
#16142080 - 04/26/12 11:28 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlil whose evidence will you accept?
Illegalization of plants and the marketing of pharmaceuticals that cause "an increased risk of death."
Media filled with nothing but stimuli to consume, pursue money and illicit sex, look down on poor people, and disregard people that say anything contrary to the status quo.
Video games and other entertainment that flaunt gratuitous violence.
An entire generation raised before your very eyes to do nothing more than stay distracted from the pressing issues of the human condition.
Do you not connect any dots between these things? Is there a breaking point at which you will say that all these overlapping criteria came about with more intent than just mere coincidence? Or are you not so dumb as you play and come here to just disinform?
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questioneverything said: Enlil whose evidence will you accept?
The source of the evidence is not important to me...I am only concerened about the reliability of the evidence. I just refuse to watch 30 hours of video looking for some piece of evidence there...If you have evidence...bring it forward...if the OP does...I'd love to see it.
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Illegalization of plants and the marketing of pharmaceuticals that cause "an increased risk of death."
What do you think this is evidence of?
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Media filled with nothing but stimuli to consume, pursue money and illicit sex, look down on poor people, and disregard people that say anything contrary to the status quo.
What do you think this is evidence of?
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Video games and other entertainment that flaunt gratuitous violence.
What do you think this is evidence of?
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An entire generation raised before your very eyes to do nothing more than stay distracted from the pressing issues of the human condition.
What do you think this is evidence of?
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Do you not connect any dots between these things? Is there a breaking point at which you will say that all these overlapping criteria came about with more intent than just mere coincidence? Or are you not so dumb as you play and come here to just disinform?
See...you see these as part of a plan...I don't see that as being logical or necessary...
People are inherrently flawed...We try to make a society, but it will always be reflective of the flaws of us as a species...So we see a problem like drug addiction...we address it with prohibition and force to maintain it...is it effective? of course not, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't originally hoped to be...
Media, including video games and other forms of entertainment all serve the same purpose...to entertain...Eventually, these forms of entertainment pander to the most banal and base aspects of the human species...that turns out to be the quest for sex and control of land...
For you, all of this looks to be by design, but that is the same logic that people use when they see the universe and believe that it had to have a designer..See, the laws of the universe, if left to work for many eons, create the universe as we know it....there doesn't have to be a plan...
The same is true of our society...the nature of human beings creates the society we have. It is as flawed, narcissistic, and neurotic as we are...that's just the way it happens..
There didn't need to be a God to create the universe...there doesn't need to be an illuminati to create a fucked up world...
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Enlil]
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Dude, LOOK at it. Smaller pieces of a big puzzle. My generation doesn't spend a day in serious thought. Instead they wake, plug into that television, work like cogs in the gears of a socialist apparatus, plug back into the tv, then go to sleep. Who does this strategy work for? The individual or the well maintained society of complacent consumers who'd rather be told what to think than to meditate and use their own discernment? Who's benefitting from this? I'm not. I see people recycling useless dribble over and over.
You're distracted like the rest of 'em man.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: Enlil]
#16142304 - 04/26/12 12:21 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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questioneverything said: Dude, LOOK at it. Smaller pieces of a big puzzle. My generation doesn't spend a day in serious thought. Instead they wake, plug into that television, work like cogs in the gears of a socialist apparatus, plug back into the tv, then go to sleep. Who does this strategy work for? The individual or the well maintained society of complacent consumers who'd rather be told what to think than to meditate and use their own discernment? Who's benefitting from this? I'm not. I see people recycling useless dribble over and over.
You're distracted like the rest of 'em man.
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What do you think this is evidence of?
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questioneverything said: Dude, LOOK at it. Smaller pieces of a big puzzle. My generation doesn't spend a day in serious thought. Instead they wake, plug into that television, work like cogs in the gears of a socialist apparatus, plug back into the tv, then go to sleep. Who does this strategy work for? The individual or the well maintained society of complacent consumers who'd rather be told what to think than to meditate and use their own discernment? Who's benefitting from this? I'm not. I see people recycling useless dribble over and over.
You're distracted like the rest of 'em man.
Again...none of that is evidence of a plan...That is evidence that people are fucked up...
Sure, people make money from it...people make money from every aspect of human behavior...That's how we work...
People make money by preying on the hungry...on the religious...on the poor...on people who believe in the illuminati...people make money from everything they can...That doesn't mean they created the situation...It only means they take advantage of it...
Just like the makers of these documentaries take advantage of people who will believe anything..
Setting all of that aside however...and just getting to the nuts and bolts of the facts that you claim as evidence...It seems to me that they are evidence of human nature...not of a plan...
Do you have any evidence that video games are violent because an organization told the designers to make violent games?
Do you have any evidence that the media is the way it is because it was ordered to be that way?
Do you have any evidence that people are distracted by the design of an organization?
That's really what you need to make the nexus here...Your theory goes like this:
1. People are distracted and hypnotized by the media, 2. People make money from this phenomenon
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The people who make money have created the distractions and the hypnosis...
That logic is flawed...here is an equivalent:
1. Asbestos causes cancer in humans 2. Toxic Tort lawyers make money from cancers caused by asbestos.
Therefore,
Toxic Tort lawyers created asbestos to cause cancer.
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We were led to believe that as the human race increased, so did its intelligence. Hence the stone age, iron age, blah blah. What if there was a civilisation thousands of years before the pyramids, with far more advanced technology.
Gobekli-tepe - 11000 years old. Check it out.
We are led to believe that dinosaurs are millions of years old, yet there is ancient pottery and stone work which depicts men riding, hunting and using dinosaurs.
Please check it out.
Amazing stuff.
Another topic, Just a vid to show a story. Listen to what these soldiers tell us, a highly reccommended watch.
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here is an website depicting the truly awesome dinosaur paintings and sculptures from ancient civilization. Does this mean that man and dinosaur co-existed? not at all.
The youngest dinosaur fossil is still over 65 million years old. whereas the most incredibly old temple of Gobekli-tepe is only ~11 thousand years old. Here is an actual source for this fact: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110712211016.htm
Im not sayin you are wrong about everything SD, but please do yourself the service to check both sides of all stories.
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Re: My response to Government [Re: deadmandave]
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Thats cool bro. Thats what I like my friend. I don't like the 'you're nuts', you gave a nice response with a good link.
(I truly only say this as this is what I believe) Its the 'million' years part. That (imo) is theory too, there is also the story of the biblical flood (I expect no-one to believe this), this is my opinion, can explain the 'millions' of years sediment globally.
The sources I had from gobekli tepe estimated 11000 years, even 9000 years is 4000 years before the pyramids were built. My only point on Gobekli tepe was that it far more advanced than scientists believed possible, not cave men, that 9000 years ago we had huge civilisations with unimaginable technology... (imo, fitting in exactly with the 'great city' spoken about in genesis)
Then there's stuff like this on the net... aliens and the mayans...... I personally have very strong suspicions about these new finds......
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