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TreeHugger Registered: 03/16/09 Posts: 440 Loc: turn left after Last seen: 11 years, 7 months |
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Hello people. As some of you know I wrote to the government last year and got a pretty shitty response. (Thread-http://www.shroomery.org
Since then I've not only made a short vid posted on youtube (link on my signature), but I've been writing my response to the government which was just emailed. I'll post their reply as soon as I get it. Again, sorry for the length, my aim is to completely stump them, then sue them. -------------------- If you don't respect and understand the drug you are about to take, you shouldn't be doing it. youtube vid - 'the truth about drugs' - (part 2) http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTh
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TreeHugger Registered: 03/16/09 Posts: 440 Loc: turn left after Last seen: 11 years, 7 months |
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Here it is............
Your ref: T16049/10 - 05 October 2010 Dear Cyrille Marcel, I truly do not wish to cause any offence with anything I say, I fully understand this is a very serious topic, however, it cannot be ignored for much longer. I have not only seen with my own eyes the severity of the situation, but have experienced it first hand. Now, with the rioting, I hope you can now see the danger of allowing these criminal gangs to profit and grow. I am trying to be as open and honest with you, as a fellow human being, to help protect society, to build a better, safer community. I understand my choices you may not approve of , or condone, but I am trying to highlight the problems you face trying to control the personal choice of every individual and the consequences of your actions. I urge you to view my video which I have posted online, http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTh After reading your response, I have a few points to raise if possible. “I would like to renew our thanks for your interest in the drug strategy as well as for sharing your friend’s personal experience of issues around drug misuse as a response to the consultation. ” I need to highlight, that I believe my main issue was ignored as you clearly state ‘drug misuse’ yet nowhere do you mention responsible drug use. I am not arguing that drugs are harmful to your heath, some may risk your life, in many peoples eyes drugs are ‘morally wrong’. However most of those beliefs stem from an untrue stereotype and stigma surrounding drug use. There are many sports, activities that seriously endanger life and pose massive health risks. People can get plastic surgery for non-medical procedures with massive risks. Some people believe that drugs being illegal is a prevention, when it actually prevents nothing. If the drug dealers can reach Prince Harry, what hope do your children, family or friends have? I do not take an illegal drug because it is illegal, I use them because they are enjoyable, I use them because I react well to them. I use them with respect, I use them responsibly and I try my hardest to eliminate my contact with drug gangs as much as I can, yet I constantly see new recruits looking up in awe at the main dealers and gangs believing them to be ‘brothers/family’, that has nothing to do with ‘drug misuse’. “The consultation document set out the Government’s strategic vision on drug misuse. The aim of this targeted consultation was not to review the current legislative framework, but to seek the views of drugs sector and partners in the early stages of the development of the drug strategy, around its four key themes.” In order to gain full knowledge and control means every option and must be looked at fully, even options you personally would prefer to stay closed. You not only need the support and advice from others, you need support from the public, which is clear on a day to day basis, you have no support from the public. What your response says to me, is you are not prepared to listen to all the evidence, you are denying facts, you fail to acknowledge the clear distinction between drug use and drug misuse, regardless of what drug or its legal status. Unfortunately, you cannot sideline people like me because you disagree with what we have to say. The wording ‘drug misuse’ is clear evidence of the biased viewpoints and misconceptions revolving around drugs which are openly broadcast by the government, this links me and associates me with criminal acts, criminal activity, drug misuse with no valid reasoning or justification, this is a clear distinction of deformation of character. You cannot say that if I use cannabis/cocaine/mdma/lsd responsibly I ‘misuse’ drugs and be persecuted for that, then say it is okay for me to be an alcoholic and NOT face prosecution even though the clear fact is that I misuse this drug. There is no difference between using cannabis and using alcohol, they are both drugs. If it is your opinion that ‘drugs’ in general are bad, then alcohol and tobacco must also be included in that statement and dealt with in accordance with the same laws. You cannot discriminate against me using one form of drug, then use another form of drug yourself. You must accept the fact there is a clear distinction between responsible drug use and irresponsible misuse of drugs, that the two are not the same, with all drugs, legal status is irrelevant. Almost every drug has abuse, misuse, danger of death and health risks (including solvents, prescription medication, legal highs and alcohol). The fact remains there needs to be a clear line set between misusing drugs and responsibly using drugs. There needs to be a clear line between being under the influence of a drug, and committing a true crime (assault/theft). At the moment, these lines are not separated, so normal drug use can escalate to a drug problem, and because of the criminal side, more likely to become involved in other crimes. You will never gain control of the ‘misuse’ of illegal drugs while you openly allow and ignore the misuse of your own drug. “We want to disrupt drug supply, strengthen enforcement and promote drug treatment with a focus on enabling people to become free of addiction, to recover fully and contribute to society and to prevent drug taking.” Alcohol prohibition in the 1920’s only created one thing, crime. We had Al-Capone gangs, corrupting society at every level (the public, the police and government officials). The governments realised this prohibition law did not work in any way, so the law was changed. As I highlighted in my story, people do not use drugs because they are illegal, they use them because they are enjoyable. As with alcohol we have responsible use and misuse, there is a clear distinction between the two, yet every alcohol user is not put in the same class as an alcoholic. The ban on alcohol did not stop people from drinking, the ban on gambling did not stop people gambling, the ban on prostitution did not stop women from becoming prostitutes and even though it was a criminal activity, did not stop men from having sex with them. These laws did not protect people, they cut out a huge part of society, they criminalized normal people, they did more harm than good. Unfortunately, the ban on drugs is exactly the same, with the same results. With what has happened over the last few days, it is impossible to deny the facts. To highlight ‘strengthen enforcement’ I quote from my story. “We need to look at countries like Thailand and America, in Thailand there is the death penalty for drugs, has it stopped drug use? In America the police can entrap you, arrest you and will imprison you for a small amount of cannabis, has it stopped drug use?” I state again, I enjoy using drugs as most people enjoy alcohol, you refuse to ban alcohol, so I ask why should I not use alternative drugs? If you are not prepared to stop using the drug you enjoy (alcohol), I will take the same stand. Then you talk about drug treatment, my friend who was addicted to heroin had been to rehab three times, each time he was released he was put back into the same community, same streets, same friends and got tempted back by the same dealers (who didn‘t care about him being clean and gave it to him anyway), getting hooked once again. Because you cannot control who sells the drugs, where the drugs are sold, you can control nothing. Unfortunately rehab can on occasions be a waste of time and money. If you are adamant to ‘prevent drug taking’ , when will you ban nicotine and alcohol? They are both drugs and kill millions of people worldwide. Why wont you ban them? The answer, money (and the fact you use these drugs), yet you fail to recognise the drug industry is a billion pound industry, that currently, because of your law, only funds crime and criminal activity, that is your choice. You fail to recognise that it is my personal choice to use whichever drug I enjoy, which is no different to the choice you have made to use the drug you enjoy, alcohol. The difference between us is that I accept your choice to use alcohol, why will you not accept mine? “The international dimension of drug misuse issues and its legislative control is a global problem which poses an ongoing threat to people in many countries worldwide.” The only reason there is a global threat is because of the law and the legal status. The criminals it makes, the drug gangs it creates. Innocent people are caught in the crossfire. That is not the drugs fault, nor the people who use the drugs, it is a direct bi-product of the law. As I stated in my story, there are only 2 options. Option 1) Drugs are illegal, which creates drug gangs, it creates criminals, it creates crime, the only people to profit are the criminal organisations and they have no concerns of the rights of others. It cuts off innocent members of society and pays for weapons, bribes, corruption and murder. Innocent drug users are scared of the police and less likely to report crimes. The government have control of nothing (age limits, quality control, who makes/sells the drugs). Option 2) Drugs are legislated. Which creates jobs, creates quality control. Age limits are set. The country profits, through the tax from the jobs, also the duty paid by the users. It distinguishes the difference between using drugs responsibly, safely and committing a true crime. Like now with alcohol, you can drink, but you cannot commit a crime under the influence. People are treated like normal citizens and more prepared to support the police. The government have full control, where they are made, the standards and quality they are made to, who they are made by, where they are sold, who they are sold by and who and what age group they are sold to. If the government continues option 1, I see nothing but more deaths, more corruption and a world full of violence. Now I see children taking drugs age 9, I see teenagers turning to crime and I see criminal gangs running our streets with the public living in fear, how much worse do things have to get before the government finally realise that option 1 does not and never will work. “We have no plans to decriminalise drug use. Our approach shall continue to be based on the principles of shared responsibility and proportionality and takes account of all those affected, including dependent drug users, in full respect of fundamental freedoms and human rights. ” My own personal drug use should not infringe upon innocent peoples rights. However, because the law creates crime, creates criminals, creates drug gangs, the rights of others are violated. That is not a choice directly by the drug user. The drug law creates this infringement of others rights. The law itself is a direct violation of many basic human rights. The fact that the dangers and misuse of alcohol and tobacco are ignored by the government (because that is their choice of drug), yet the exact same dangers are used for the illegal status of other drugs. I ask again, morally speaking, why is it not a criminal act for my daughter to become a prostitute, yet it would be a criminal act if she chose to responsibly use drugs in her spare time? Why would she be protected as a prostitute, yet persecuted as a responsible drug user? Even though prostitution is legal, does this mean every married man will have sex with a prostitute? Even though gambling is legal, does this mean everyone will gamble irresponsibly and end up in debt? Even though alcohol is legal, does this mean everyone will go out binge drinking and drink driving? To define a responsible drug user as someone who ‘misuses drugs’ and a ‘criminal’ only on the grounds they use drugs without taking into consideration their actual use, their beliefs and moral standing, while not punishing an alcohol user, a gambler, or a prostitute is clear discrimination. You say I cannot responsibly use drugs, yet even as an alcoholic I can legally brew my own beer. I am persecuted by the government because I risk my health using illegal drugs, yet I can walk into most shops buy tobacco which is scientifically proven to be highly addictive (tobacco is more addictive than heroin), can cause cancer, impotence, heart disease and breathing difficulties. I am a criminal for using MDMA, because I risk my life, yet I am not a criminal if I base jump, climb mountains, race cars or horse ride. All of these things are clear signs of discrimination. Discrimination- Oxford dictionary. noun [mass noun] 1) The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, 2) Recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another: You cannot have a law unjustly based upon your own opinions. If you drink alcohol you are a drug user, if you smoke you are a drug addict. It would be fair to say there is a difference between something being wrong (against morals) and something being classed as a criminal activity (by law). In my opinion prostitution is wrong, but understand why it is not a crime. Gambling in my opinion can be wrong, but again understandable why it is not a crime. I ask, why is drug use a crime, yes it is morally wrong in some peoples eyes, but does that opinion alone justify a crime that can be punished by law? No it does not. In some faiths, alcohol is wrong, would you give up alcohol, only based upon their moral code and opinion? Of course you wouldn’t, it would be against your human rights. Look at other crimes like rape, theft or assault. No-one could possibly argue why these are crimes or why the person who commits these crimes are punished. Each of these crimes have a direct victim, someone who wants justice. Someone who has suffered because of someone else’s actions. None of these crimes have any excuse. I openly admit that drugs can have an indirect effect on family life, however that will be through abuse and misuse. I highlight that family life can also be effected by alcohol misuse, gambling and prostitution in exactly the same ways as drugs. People who perform life threatening stunts or race in dangerous events also have this same indirect effect on family life, yet all of these things are legal. In some cultures around the world drugs are used to bond the community, they have been used for thousands of years by their people. So in your opinion should all of these normal people, who have normal respectable lives, be criminals only because they use drugs as part as their way of life? I would like to quote the minister with responsibility for drugs, Vernon Coaker during 2006 regarding ecstasy: Q109 Mr Newmark: If the ACMD discovered new evidence when it undertook the review, would you consider reclassifying ecstasy? Mr Coaker: We would consider their evidence. As I say, we have no plans to reclassify ecstasy. The ACMD is independent of government, we obviously respect what they say, and they will bring their report forward, but the Government has no plans and no intention of reclassifying ecstasy. Q110 Dr Harris: You say that you do not propose to move ecstasy and it will remain a Class A drug. Is that an evidence-based policy? Mr Coaker: That is a judgment the Government makes on the basis of what we believe to be something that is in the interests of the public at large to keep ecstasy as a Class A drug. Q111 Dr Harris: Is it an evidence-based view? Mr Coaker: It is a judgment that we make based on all the evidence we have had no recommendation from anybody to reclassify ecstasy from an A to a B. We think it is a drug which is harmful. There is no safe dose of it. We were talking about alcohol earlier on and one of the problems you have with alcohol is there probably is a safe dose. Like many here, I have a drink now and again, but there is no safe dose of ecstasy, we think it would send out totally the wrong messages and, as I say, we have no intention of reclassifying ecstasy. Q112 Mr Newmark: Because it kills unpredictably? Mr Coaker: As I say, there is no safe dose. This is the point, just half a minute— Q113 Dr Harris: There is no safe dose of tobacco. Mr Coaker: It just does make the point very well, the exchange that we have just had between two members of the Committee, quite rightly, about the difficulties that there are in this area and the different views and opinions that people have. I think what we all wrestle with is using evidence and using science and also trying to think about it from a non-scientific point of view in the social judgments and the individual judgments and the community judgments that we make. We wrestle with that and, as I say, as a Government we have no intention of doing anything with respect to ecstasy because we do not believe there is a safe dose, it is harmful, it kills unpredictably, as Brooks has said, and we just think that it is a very important way to use the classification system. The point I would like to highlight, is Mr Coaker refers to ‘the interest of the public’ and referencing that ‘it kills unpredictably’. The drug will only kill its users, and they understand the risk they take when using this drug, as a car racer understands they risk their lives each time they race. Would it not be in the interest of the public for drugs to be made by legitimate businesses, sold by legitimate businesses, with quality control and age limits, proper education with health warnings, dosage and usage instructions. Rather than criminal organisations making and selling drugs, with no control, no age limits, no protection, offering as many drugs they can to anyone any age. I state again the drug will only kill its user, an illegal drug gang will kill anyone, drug user or not. If we banned alcohol and tobacco now, these same gangs would begin to sell them and pose the same added risks we have now with illegal drugs. He also states about sending out the wrong message, what message is truly being sent? Is it a message of tolerance and understanding, or ignorance, denial and hypocrisy. Now finally the very last part of the home offices response, “in full respect of fundamental freedoms and human rights. ” I quote the human rights act and the articles that are being violated; Section 1 Article 1 Obligation to respect human rights The High Contracting Parties shall secure to everyone within their jurisdiction the rights and freedoms defined in Section 1of this Convention Article 5 Right to liberty and security 1. Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person. No one shall be deprived of his liberty save in the following cases and in accordance with a procedure prescribed by law: 2. Everyone who is arrested shall be informed promptly, in a language which he understands, of the reasons for his arrest and of any charge against him. 5. Everyone who has been the victim of arrest or detention in contravention of the provisions of this Article shall have an enforceable right to compensation 1) Liberty is the concept that an individual has the right to behave according to one's own personal responsibility and free will. I become violent when I drink alcohol, it is legal for me to drink even though it infringes on other persons rights to be safe and secure. I can smoke tobacco legally, which is proven to cause cancer, yet I am labelled a criminal and cast out of society only for using alternative drugs which are equally or less harmful. There are many drugs sold over the counter, which can be abused, not even the people who abuse these drugs are labelled criminals. An alcoholic does not live in fear of the law, even though they are a drug abuser. Why am I forced to live in fear of the law? 2) The charge would be possession of drugs under the ‘misuse’ of drugs act, so why am I not charged for buying alcohol or tobacco? They are both drugs too and one of those drugs kills over 3 million people a year. There is clear scientific evidence to prove some illegal drugs are equally/less harmful than alcohol and tobacco. Drug use is one charge, so why can I be charged time-and-time again for the same offence? Why am I hunted down like a common criminal only because I choose an alternative drug to alcohol?. I ask again, why am I a criminal only for using a drug? The response, ‘the law is the law because of the law’, to say I should be labelled a criminal and punished for using a drug when you are not punished for using alcohol for no other reason than personal enjoyment, is a clear deprivation of my human rights. This law cannot solely be based on personal opinions, when the facts are clear they are of biased opinion. I am a criminal for responsibly using drugs, but I’m not a criminal even if I clearly ‘misuse’ alcohol. 5) I do not wish for compensation with money, I only seek recognition that I am an individual human being, with my own life choices. These choices I make should not be punishable as a criminal act, nor should my responsible drug use should be labelled ‘misuse’ without consideration of the full facts. That I should not live in fear of the law. That my choice to use drugs will not infringe upon others rights. Article 8 Right to respect for private and family life 1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence. 2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. 1) If I choose to use recreational drugs in my own private time, I buy drugs using money that I have worked hard for, I pose no threat to society in any way, why can my private and family life be destroyed by a law and the punishment it brings? I am no different to an alcohol user, why can they drink without fear of persecution, yet I will be persecuted without question. I will not be sacked for binge drinking all weekend, but if I have one joint of cannabis on Saturday before bed, I can loose my job. What about my right to work, to provide a good income for my family. I am more than capable to do the job, but NOT ALLOWED to, ONLY because I choose an alternative drug to alcohol. You are not immediately labelled an ‘alcoholic, binge-drinker, a drink driver’, only because you drink, so why am I immediately labelled a ‘druggie’, ‘criminal’, when I am no different to you? 2) See section A Article 9 Freedom of thought, conscience and religion 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and on public or private, to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance. 2. Freedom to manifest one’s religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. 1) Many religions, faiths and customs around the world use drugs considered illegal in many other countries. It is the belief that these drugs were created for spiritual guidance, for true enlightenment. Because these drugs are used responsibly, dosed wisely and they are looked after by friends, the dangers of these drugs are greatly reduced and the criminal element is completely removed. 2) See section A. Article 10 Freedom of expression 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises. 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary 1) Some people tattoo their body from head to toe, others pierce their body. Some people have a process called scarification, where a knife is used to carve a pattern to form a scar tattoo. Some people express themselves by being nude. Some people jump out of planes or from buildings. Some people race cars. Some people smoke tobacco and some people drink alcohol. None of these people are criminals. 2) See section A. Article 11 Freedom of assembly and association 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association with others, including the 6 European Convention on Human Rights 7 right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests. 2. No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. This Article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the State 1) People are allowed to meet up and jump out of aeroplanes with parachutes. We are allowed to climb cliff faces, race cars and kick box. We can drink alcohol and congregate with fellow alcohol users either in Private clubs, Pubs or our own home. We can watch people fight each other, watch people racing, we can join beer and wine clubs. We can grow our own tobacco and brew our own beer. All without persecution. So why can I not congregate with fellow cannabis users in a members only club, or dance at a nightclub with fellow MDMA users, when I pose no threat to anyone and fully understand the risks I take? 2) See section A Article 13 Right to an effective remedy Everyone whose rights and freedoms as set forth in this Convention are violated shall have an effective remedy before a national authority notwithstanding that the violation has been committed by persons acting in an official capacity The war on drugs has been going on for over 40 years, how in any way is this an effective remedy? The drug war needs to end once and for all, the drug using public need to know their place in society. Not continuously live in fear of persecution because of a law based on biased stereotype opinions. The only people who have had the capabilities to end the drug war are the government. Instead they are choosing to create criminals with no justifiable crime only because of their opinion. (From the home offices response it is clear they are not prepared to open all avenues and are prepared to continuously persecute myself and the millions of fellow drug users, this is NOT an effective remedy) Article 14 Prohibition of discrimination The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status The drug law discriminates between one drug user and another, it allows abuse and misuse of certain drugs, then persecutes and punish innocent people because of others. I state again that I become violent and aggressive when drunk, and ask again why is it acceptable that I use a drug that risks others around me, yet unacceptable for me to use a drug that only risks myself. Article 17 Prohibition of abuse of rights Nothing in this Convention may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein or at their limitation to a greater extent than is provided for in the Convention. This may be used against me, saying that I associate with criminals and I contribute towards drug gangs. This is the governments choice alone, I have no option of where or who the drugs come from. The government have made that choice for me. If you could buy drugs legally and use responsibly (as they do with alcohol), you would no longer associate with or contribute towards criminals. If theft/speeding/assault was legal, there would still be an innocent victim because of your actions, someone who wants justice. A justified crime. Drugs have no victim other than drug user, by their own choice, exactly like a smoker or drinker. People may turn this around and say that families are the victims, but this is also true for alcohol, gambling, and prostitution, if that is a reason for legal status then it must be accountable for everything. The law creates drug gangs, it creates criminals, these drug gangs spread fear in all our communities, they will kill people. Protocol to the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms Article 1 Protection of property Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law. The preceding provisions shall not, however, in any way impair the right of a State to enforce such laws as it deems necessary to control the use of property in accordance with the general interest or to secure the payment of taxes or other contributions or penalties. We have gangs who rent properties, turn them into laboratories/cannabis farms, leave them completely trashed for the landlord and insurance company to pay for. We have tenants, renting properties and turn them into ‘drug dens’. Drug dealers allow people to get into uncontrollable debts, so the risks of thefts increase. Only the government have a choice, legitimate businesses make, grow and sell drugs, which have clear rules to obey, set by law, or you allow the drug gangs continue to ‘carry on as normal’. Someone’s only crime may be to smoke cannabis responsibly, they are no different to some one who drinks, is it reasonable or fair for the police smash and destroy peoples property only in search of drugs. Article 2 Right to education No person shall be denied the right to education. In the exercise of any functions which it assumes in relation to education and to teaching, the State shall respect the right of parents to ensure such education and teaching in conformity with their own religious and philosophical convictions The classes of drugs are incorrect, MDMA is not comparable to Heroin, the dangers of Cannabis are scientifically proven to be less or equally harmful to Alcohol, yet alcohol has no class. We are educating our children that taking drugs will kill you, but this is not correct, this in turn has a knock on effect of the law being ignored, the true dangers not being given, leading to abuse and overdose. My parents and almost every parent, does not want their child to take drugs, there are many religions that are against drug use. That is their choice, however, a law will not stop or prevent their child being targeted by illegal dealers, or pressured into using drugs by friends. Try to understand that when we reach adulthood, we make our own decisions, our own choices, unfortunately, that does mean differences of opinions and morals crop up. Your children may grow up to believe the opposite to what you believe. That does not mean they are wrong and need to be punished. Section A -------------------------------- Article 8 Right to respect for private and family life 2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. Article 9 Freedom of thought, conscience and religion 2. Freedom to manifest one’s religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. Article 10 Freedom of expression 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary HEALTH One of the biggest excuses used for the law on drugs is health. There are countless illegal drugs that are equally or less harmful than alcohol and tobacco. Many health issues are related to abuse and overdose, not responsible recreational use. While drugs remain illegal criminal organisations make the drugs, there is no quality control, so alternative chemicals and additives are used making the drugs MORE harmful. There are no set limit’s the public can buy, no dosage or usage instructions given, so the risk of abuse and overdose is INCREASED. There are no age limits set, so children are at a GREATER risk. If drugs are illegal because of health, ALL drugs should be illegal, including alcohol and tobacco. If all drug users should be classed a criminal for damaging their health alone, why are obese people not criminals? If a drug user should be classed as a criminal for risking their lives, why are dangerous stunt performers, boxers or Formula 1 racing drivers not criminals? MORALS (UK) Prostitution is against most peoples morals, yet it is okay, by law, for my daughter, sister or mother to become a prostitute. Its okay by law for a married man to have sex with prostitutes behind his wife’s back. Gambling is against many religions moral code, yet by law, it is okay to gamble. I can even gamble my life savings away without question. I can buy vulgar pornographic magazines in my local corner shop, but I am a criminal for smoking cannabis in my own home. Is it the fact that the government wants to view pornographic material, so it is legal, the fact that they want to use alcohol, so it is legal, however, because they do not want to use drugs and in their personal opinion, it is morally wrong, they are illegal? If a law is only based upon personal ‘opinion’, not based upon evidence, science, with new evidence being ignored, all other options being denied because of that opinion alone, then the law is arbitrary and goes against all of the principles of the Human Rights Act. If my daughter was short of cash and needed it urgently, which would I prefer her to do, prostitute herself or sell drugs? If she could sell drugs legally, she would be no different to a pub landlord. PUBLIC ORDER/PROTECTION OF RIGHTS/PUBLIC SAFETY/PREVENTION OF DISORDER OR CRIME/NATIONAL SECURITY I am one of many who react badly to alcohol, I can become highly aggressive and violent when I drink, I cannot stop the way alcohol effects me. When drunk, I pose a very high threat to anyone around me (including family and friends). Yet If I drink alcohol, I am not a criminal. I do not need to associate or mix with criminals to obtain alcohol. I have reacted perfectly well using Cannabis, MDMA (ecstasy), LSD, Magic Mushrooms, Mephedrone and Cocaine with NO adverse side effects throughout my 18 years of drug use and under the influence of these drugs, pose no threat to anyone around me. Using drugs should not be a criminal activity, as is with alcohol and tobacco. There is no distinction between harming/risking yourself and harming/risking other people. Some criminal gangs use drugs to lure children into other criminal activities with the ‘you use drugs, you’re a criminal anyway’ or ‘if you want this drug…you do this for me’ attitude. The children who continuously get away with it, grow into the next line of criminals. The money made by drug gangs contributes towards more criminal activity including bribes and weapons. Because these gangs operate from one end of the globe to another in every country, the national security is compromised and innocent non-drug users are caught up in the crossfire. This law does not prevent crime, it creates it and helps it grow. Police officers, Customs officers, Soldiers and Government officials are being either bribed/blackmailed by these gangs. A drug baron making over $30M every year will happily pay $15M of that in bribes. More and more officials are being offered vast amounts of money for tip-offs, supply, or just to look the other way. Innocent non-drug users are being effected by drug gangs. With no age limits set, people are offered and use drugs much too early in life. Criminal activity ruins innocent peoples lives, the distinction between using a recreational drug responsibly and spreading fear is not defined. ECONOMIC WELL-BEING Billions upon billions of pounds are being continuously spent worldwide, year after year, trying to stop drug use. Police time, court time and prison space wasted, all because of this law, all at the cost to the country. The ONLY people to profit from drugs now, are the drug gangs and criminal organisations. They use this money for criminal activities, weapons and personal gain. If drugs were legislated, with licensed businesses making and selling drugs, firstly, jobs would be crated and secondly, tax/duty would be paid, the only people to profit would be the country. Age limits would be set, helping to further the education of our children, minimising their contact with criminal gangs, lessening the chance of criminal activity. I would rather the money I spent using the drugs I enjoy to contribute towards legitimate businesses and back to the community. Final Questions: I asked questions and raised issues in ‘My Story’, none of which were answered or explained in your response. So I ask a few questions, 1) I have discussed health (alcohol and tobacco), I have discussed morals (prostitution and gambling), I have discussed crime (the law itself creates the crime), I have discussed money and I have been open and honest about my way of life with you. I have discussed the difference between responsible use and abuse. I have explained how some people progress through drugs and progress into crime. Q. Why am I criminal ONLY for using a drug? 2) I react badly to alcohol, I become violent, uncooperative, aggressive and rude. While under the influence I pose a serious risk to others around me. I have never reacted like this using cannabis, LSD, MDMA, Cocaine or Magic Mushrooms. Tobacco killed over 3 million people last year and is proven to be far more dangerous than many illegal drugs. Q. Why is it okay for me to use a drug which I react badly to and a drug which is proven to kill, yet a criminal activity for me to use the drugs I enjoy, use responsibly and react well to while posing no risk to anyone? 3) Just for a minute I would like you to imagine that drugs are legal. Q. Your daughter is desperate for cash, she has a choice, to sell drugs legally (open her own business), or to prostitute herself. Which would you choose? 4) As I stated in ‘My Story’, you cannot stop someone from choosing to use a drug. As with every drug user, we have all chosen to use drugs. You cannot stop who your children associate with. Your class, race, religion, colour, have no relevance on whether people choose to use drugs. If they enjoy it, what can you do? Q. Would you prefer drug gangs to target your children (at any age) for business, pressuring them into using. Then possibly lead them into a life of crime, or would you prefer a legitimate business sells drugs with strict rules including age limits and maximum sales. They no longer mix with criminals to do something they enjoy. 5) Drug gangs/criminal organisations make the drugs. These can be cut or made by using alternative chemicals. The quality of drugs are low, so the user is immediately put into more danger. As with ecstasy now, some tablets are very weak (or not MDMA and made of an alternative similar drug) so 2 are required at once (‘double drop’), with a proper ecstasy tablet sometimes only ½ is required. There is the added risk that people who only have the weak ones, they are used to double dropping, then when a true ecstasy is sold to them they overdose or end up in hospital. Street heroin comes in various cuts, and is far more dangerous than pure heroin, again quality is a serious issue and because different batches are different strengths, an overdose is more likely. Q. Why is it better for a drug gang to make drugs to any standard they wish, no matter what its, there is no set dose, or set limit to buy, with no quality control. Why is it better for someone who chooses to use a drug, to be put under greater health risks? 6) Lets say 1 billion pounds was spent on the drug war, and 1 billion pounds spent by people like me buying drugs, thats 2 billion pound gone, with nothing to show other than corruption, greed and violence. If legislated the government would save a billion, the billion pound spent by people like me would be going back to legitimate business, not the criminal world. The taxes would be going into the governments pockets, which could then be spent on education, policing, health care and youth clubs. Q. How is that statement incorrect? -------------------- If you don't respect and understand the drug you are about to take, you shouldn't be doing it. youtube vid - 'the truth about drugs' - (part 2) http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTh
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Nomad Registered: 01/22/09 Posts: 5,255 Last seen: 12 years, 2 months |
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God damn. I read about 95% of that. Good stuff. Great arguments and wonderful content.
Glad your doing what your doing. Not to put you down, your one voice is but pedal in field. But your doing more then most people. Your actually sticking up for everyone on this website. Please do re-post their reply. The point here is not that you, yourself, are going to change the government. Its more of a voice. One of the few voices here actually doing something. If you need any help or ideas about something let me know. I would be glad to help. I subscribed to you. -------------------- TRIP on this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Like EDM?(Electronic Dance Music) http://www.youtube.com/user/This Hardstyle Music thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Trance Music thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/
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TreeHugger Registered: 03/16/09 Posts: 440 Loc: turn left after Last seen: 11 years, 7 months |
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Thanks, I am gaining more and more support, the media will not publish this, won't even respond. I've been banned from a few forums because they don't like what I have to say, truth hurts doesn't it.
The point I really need to highlight to drug users, do not be ashamed to be a drug user, you do not need to hide who you are. So what, you harm yourself, so does a boxer, a smoker, an alcoholic. However, you SERIOUSLY need to think about where your drugs are made and who makes your drugs. Do you want a criminal gang/terrorist organization to profit ONLY because you choose to get high? Do you want to be sold cheap cut drugs which are far more dangerous than the true drugs, which could be easily controlled by legislation, to guarantee proper drugs? No more shit coke, no more shit mdma, no more half strength sugar coated weed. Personally that sounds great to me. -------------------- If you don't respect and understand the drug you are about to take, you shouldn't be doing it. youtube vid - 'the truth about drugs' - (part 2) http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTh
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Thanks for taking the time to put all this together. Very well done
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Nomad Registered: 01/22/09 Posts: 5,255 Last seen: 12 years, 2 months |
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Another think. The obesity problem here in the states. Its considered number 1 or in health related problems.
Oh no no no! Dont you dare touch that drug or we will put you in jail. But hey its ok for you to raise a morbidly obese kid. Or its ok to eat until your over 400lbs+. That is totally legal. Go ahead, take your child to Mcdonalds. Give your child a candy bar when the kid is already over 200lbs.
-------------------- TRIP on this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Like EDM?(Electronic Dance Music) http://www.youtube.com/user/This Hardstyle Music thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Trance Music thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/
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TreeHugger Registered: 03/16/09 Posts: 440 Loc: turn left after Last seen: 11 years, 7 months |
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Still no response as of yet, but I'm taking things to the next level and stepping things up.
I have now sent these letters to.... 3 newspapers, 2 MPs, The ACMD (Uk council for Misuse of Drugs), The Amy Winehouse foudation, FRANK (anti drugs arse holes that give out misinformation about drugs), UN anti-drug organisation I'm leaving it another month then I'm sending these letters to the Dutch, Portuguese and Canadian government, try to get a response from them. Then I bite the bullet and will be handing myself into the police. If I have to sacrifice myself to help protect our future, so be it. We should not be ashamed to be drug users. Don't allow yourself to be bullied by your governments into silence, living in fear of the law. The governments are relying on people like me to be either too scared or ashamed to speak out. We have a global problem, the problem isn't drugs, its the 'war' on drugs and the consequences of the law. YOU ARE A NORMAL PERSON, DO NOT BELIEVE YOU ARE EVIL BECAUSE A BUNCH OF CORRUPT PEOPLE IN CHARGE TELL YOU YOU ARE. -------------------- If you don't respect and understand the drug you are about to take, you shouldn't be doing it. youtube vid - 'the truth about drugs' - (part 2) http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTh
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Nomad Registered: 01/22/09 Posts: 5,255 Last seen: 12 years, 2 months |
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Quote: handing your self into the police? What do you mean by that? Just photo copy it and send it to more places. -------------------- TRIP on this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Like EDM?(Electronic Dance Music) http://www.youtube.com/user/This Hardstyle Music thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Trance Music thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/
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TreeHugger Registered: 03/16/09 Posts: 440 Loc: turn left after Last seen: 11 years, 7 months |
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No, we've been protesting, campaigning, petitioning, pleading with our governments for over 30 years, and we're told 'shut up, don't care'.
We're continuously forced into fighting against the police. The police hate us, because they are the ones that have to deal with the clean up. We need the police to back us, support us. The only way this will happen if people like me show them how persecution, punishment, ridicule and criminality is brought on because of the drug law, not the drugs. People like me exist, that 'drugs' are not bad, people are. Drugs cannot be blamed for that. We have support from scientists, MPs, Celebrities. We need the police on our side too. Even non-drug users who I've shared this with are now in support of legislation. If I can spread this to every decent police officer, we may begin to make our voice louder. Legislation is not only about you or me getting high, its about how that drug use effects everything and everyone else.
-------------------- If you don't respect and understand the drug you are about to take, you shouldn't be doing it. youtube vid - 'the truth about drugs' - (part 2) http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTh
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Nomad Registered: 01/22/09 Posts: 5,255 Last seen: 12 years, 2 months |
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Ok well dont hand your self in. Just send the facts over to the police stations. Every police station. You are sending your second post right? have you made any changes to it?
Im going to print that off photo copy it and put it/mail it to a few places. -------------------- TRIP on this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Like EDM?(Electronic Dance Music) http://www.youtube.com/user/This Hardstyle Music thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Trance Music thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/
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TreeHugger Registered: 03/16/09 Posts: 440 Loc: turn left after Last seen: 11 years, 7 months |
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Yes, second letter was sent to government before I posted it on here. It was a bit rushed, could have gone into so much more detail.
Anyone can print off anything I write, spread the word. If you get a chance watch Massimo Mazzucco's 'The True History Of Marijuana'. You'll see where, how and why our drug laws exist. Blew my mind. Just bought it so I can show my parents, even though they know I use drugs recreationally, they disapprove and don't fully understand. I'll be passing it around, it is shocking. It proves the drug law is a sham, based on lies and greed. I HIGHLY recommend this film!! -------------------- If you don't respect and understand the drug you are about to take, you shouldn't be doing it. youtube vid - 'the truth about drugs' - (part 2) http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTh
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Awesome post! Since I've been busted with possesion I've been inspired to be active. Today I called all my local senators I found through norml and asked to support HR 2306 which is to end federal prohibition of marijuana. I'm glad to read this thread cause now I have another great idea. I am going to write out sheets with all the facts on marijuana and how it is far safer than alcohol and that their policies are only destroying communities.
Honestly if we can get some kind of printable sheets with all the clear facts this might be an excellent idea for a new type of campaign. We can anonomously mail this info to the police. I think internet petitions are too easy to ignore but a mailed in envelope with all the facts clearly written out would be an awesome idea.
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TreeHugger Registered: 03/16/09 Posts: 440 Loc: turn left after Last seen: 11 years, 7 months |
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I feel if I do this 'secretly' it gives the impression I am ashamed of what I do, that I accept what I do is wrong. Which is not what I believe.
If people don't like me for who I am, regardless of whether I use drugs or not, isn't my problem, its theirs. I should not be 'criminalized' for their ignorance. One of my mates has just been sent to prison for 12 months, possession with intent. His family is in bits. Not the drugs fault, the laws. He's one of the 'good' dealers, in the sense he never pushes drugs or sells to kids and he's not the type to cause any trouble. The governments of most countries KNOW the facts about drugs, unfortunately its corruption on a scale most people can't imagine. We have to unite as a 'people of every nation', in order to demand a change. Thanks for all the support guys, nice to hear I'm not the only one trying. -------------------- If you don't respect and understand the drug you are about to take, you shouldn't be doing it. youtube vid - 'the truth about drugs' - (part 2) http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTh
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TreeHugger Registered: 03/16/09 Posts: 440 Loc: turn left after Last seen: 11 years, 7 months |
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http://drugscience.org.uk/drugsi
This is the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs. The people who set this up, used to work for the UK drug advisory council, they were forced to resign, because they had scientific evidence to say alcohol was more dangerous than MDMA, Cannabis, Cocaine and LSD. They called for legislation. The people who were employed to give advice on drugs, gave that advice, and were told, "no.... you're fired"
-------------------- If you don't respect and understand the drug you are about to take, you shouldn't be doing it. youtube vid - 'the truth about drugs' - (part 2) http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTh
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Quote: ![]() Such bullshit... FUCK YOU GOVERNMENT!!! STUPID ASS MOTHERFUCKERS! Just understand already.. why are you so afraid?
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TreeHugger Registered: 03/16/09 Posts: 440 Loc: turn left after Last seen: 11 years, 7 months |
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Quote: Honestly mate, watch that Massimo Mazzucco's vid 'The true history of Marijuana', they're not afraid, its corruption and greed. -------------------- If you don't respect and understand the drug you are about to take, you shouldn't be doing it. youtube vid - 'the truth about drugs' - (part 2) http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTh
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Quote: Why are they so corrupt and greedy ![]() Quote:
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TreeHugger Registered: 03/16/09 Posts: 440 Loc: turn left after Last seen: 11 years, 7 months |
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I know. As peter griffin said, "it really grinds my gears".
There are five main groups against drug legislation, the timber, oil, alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical. Forgetting about getting high for just a minute, cannabis alone can be used for thousands of things, before it was banned it was the most used plant in the world. Its stalk can be made into paper and fabric (aka hemp), its seeds can be made into fuel which is cleaner than petrol (plus the fact it is cleaner to make and we won't need to buy fuel from around the world risking more oil spills). Medicinally, it has hundreds if not thousands of uses. 100% of the cannabis plant can be used = no waste. Grows easily around the world = pentiful renewable energy. -------------------- If you don't respect and understand the drug you are about to take, you shouldn't be doing it. youtube vid - 'the truth about drugs' - (part 2) http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTh
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Quote: The more obvious "why isn't the world like THIS" things you say, the more sad I become ![]() "it really grinds my gears!" ![]() But seriously it's really upsetting as an intelligent individual to watch the world burn like this, when the answers are so obvious now. Back when they made pot illegal in the 30s it was all just racist and whatnot, and now science has come a LONG way to completely disprove all of that bullshit propaganda, and show that there are many benefits of Cannabis, and if anything, it shouldn't make you a CRIMINAL. I've spent the last 2 years of my life smoking weed almost every day, and I have yet to do one "criminal" thing because I had THC in my brain. So many "potumentaries" out now, and even the culture of weed.. being by far the most used illegal drug, it's like people acknowledge it's existence and don't think it's the end of the world anymore, but not fully enough to just DECRIMINALIZE it. I don't understand why it has to be such a big step. It seems like an obvious step in the right direction. I even watched a video once where there were just some farmers from Kansas or something standing around their farm, talking about hemp. They said fuck getting high we don't care about that, we just wanna grow hemp because it's an amazingly flexible product all on it's own. They were even suggesting anything with THC over 1% or whatever to be illegal.. they just wanted HEMP legalized because they know how much that alone can help the world. And obviously, the massive pharm companies with billions of dollars would rather prescribe people their shitty meds rather than just one simple plant that can do so many things. ![]() Keep up the good fight brother, I'm backing you 100% I don't frequent this forum subsection very often, but this thread means a lot IMO when it comes to.. fairness and equality? I would LOVE to see REAL change happen. Ron Paul 2012? hahahaha I sometimes seriously think 2012 is going to be the end of the world... not because the Mayan Calendar says so, but because humans are becoming too fucking greedy. In some ways, it really is hard to see things getting any worse than they are now. The drug war has brought soooooooo many problems to the table, and if they don't get rid of this war, more and more lives will be affected by such a stupid idea. It's time to fix it, or the world will crumble. Lets stop wasting billions of dollars on this pointless game of cat and mouse, and find a real solution, eh?
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TreeHugger Registered: 03/16/09 Posts: 440 Loc: turn left after Last seen: 11 years, 7 months |
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I've just bought the Massimo Mazzuccos dvd, as soon as its delivered in a few weels I'll post it online. If anyone wants a copy just message me.
You will not believe how the drug law was started. If I write it most people won't believe, so I'll show you instead. I thought I knew everything until I watched it. Angered me and you will see why. http://www.usfilms.ea29.com/the- I'd rather my drug money went back to legitimate businesses, back to the country, rather than funding crime, murder and corruption. I'd rather be on the side of the police, not the criminals. -------------------- If you don't respect and understand the drug you are about to take, you shouldn't be doing it. youtube vid - 'the truth about drugs' - (part 2) http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTh
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