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Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread)
#14897434 - 08/09/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you agree or disagree with the bandwidth cap and why? I'm actually curious if anyone thinks it is a good thing and isn't just internet companies trying to piggy back money off of things like Netflix. At&t has an internet cap already (Started in June I think).
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
#14897466 - 08/09/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why would any consumer possibly think it's a good thing?
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: HeavyToilet]
#14897485 - 08/09/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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HeavyToilet said: Why would any consumer possibly think it's a good thing?
lol, CNN wrote this "Traditional DSL users will be capped at 150 GB per month, while subscribers to the fiber-backed UVerse system have a 250-GB limit. Usage over that will be charged at $10/month for 50 GB, the company says.
The company says that currently only a small percentage of users -- around 2% -- use this much data a month. If that's the case, it's not clear why the company is bothering to install the caps." (I couldn't find the original letter)
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/03/15/att.broadband.allowance.wired/index.html
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
#14897507 - 08/09/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Comcast has a kinda floating point cap that they don't really mention anywhere (I'm sure there is some fine print somewhere). They said that this point is 250GB/month. It seems like they only enforce it if someone is REALLY abusing the network.
I only know this because I transfered over 1TB in a single month. They called me up and basically gave me a warning.
I'm sure I've gone over 250GB/month since then but not quite to that extent. Thats why I assume its a loosely enforced rule.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: frith]
#14897520 - 08/09/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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frith said: Comcast has a kinda floating point cap that they don't really mention anywhere (I'm sure there is some fine print somewhere). They said that this point is 250GB/month. It seems like they only enforce it if someone is REALLY abusing the network.
I only know this because I transfered over 1TB in a single month. They called me up and basically gave me a warning.
I'm sure I've gone over 250GB/month since then but not quite to that extent. Thats why I assume its a loosely enforced rule.
Yeah, at&t gives you a warning 2 times, on the third they charge you $10 for every 50 gigs you go over, and I've read people getting charged it.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
#14897526 - 08/09/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If that's your guys' cap, you don't know how good you have it. At our top speed(not super fast) we are allowed 3/4 of a gb PER MONTH before they slow it down to what seems like sub-dial-up speeds for going over the bandwidth cap. The only shitty part of living out in the country IMO but atleast I have my phone 2gb/month and anything over is a small 10per gig after that and I say small in comparison to the fine they charge for going over on our actual Internet.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: PeterPanda209]
#14897545 - 08/09/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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PeterPanda209 said: If that's your guys' cap, you don't know how good you have it. At our top speed(not super fast) we are allowed 3/4 of a gb PER MONTH before they slow it down to what seems like sub-dial-up speeds for going over the bandwidth cap. The only shitty part of living out in the country IMO but atleast I have my phone 2gb/month and anything over is a small 10per gig after that and I say small in comparison to the fine they charge for going over on our actual Internet.
Government needs to stop that, I think Demandprogress.org has a petition that is against bandwidth cap. It is so funny though, that "2%" deal, people actually believe that. When has a company ever only made money off the top 2% of their customers? LOL.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
#14897546 - 08/09/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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$10 for 50G is not that bad.
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The company says that currently only a small percentage of users -- around 2% -- use this much data a month. If that's the case, it's not clear why the company is bothering to install the caps."
completely agree with this though.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: frith]
#14897560 - 08/09/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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frith said: $10 for 50G is not that bad.
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The company says that currently only a small percentage of users -- around 2% -- use this much data a month. If that's the case, it's not clear why the company is bothering to install the caps."
completely agree with this though.
Wait, so you think companies like comcast and at&t are only in it to make money off the top 2%? They just don't want to spend the money (That we pay in our monthly rate) for them to update their hardware country wide. This is such a oligopoly, kind of like Blockbuster (Monopoly), they just didn't get into the Netflix business. I just see this hole thing as a way for the cable companies to make money, instead of allowing us (The consumer, who pays our bills) to progress the internet. But they don't care about that, as log as everyone keeps logging in.
I'll try to keep this from becoming a "Why I hate AT&T thread"
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
#14897580 - 08/09/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jryan said: Government needs to stop that, I think Demandprogress.org has a petition that is against bandwidth cap.
Its not always that easy. Sometimes they are necessary.
The majority of intercontinental internet traffic is still running over copper cable strung under the ocean. It is very expensive to have new lines like that installed so the caps ensure everyone has stable access.
Countries like Australia who have a VERY low cap have few other options. Caps are a necessity because the majority of sites/services they will access will not be hosted in Australia.
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The company says that currently only a small percentage of users -- around 2% -- use this much data a month. If that's the case, it's not clear why the company is bothering to install the caps."
completely agree with this though.
Wait, so you think companies like comcast and at&t are only in it to make money off the top 2%? They just don't want to spend the money (That we pay in our monthly rate) for them to update their hardware country wide. This is such a oligopoly, kind of like Blockbuster (Monopoly), they just didn't get into the Netflix business. I just see this hole thing as a way for the cable companies to make money, instead of allowing us (The consumer, who pays our bills) to progress the internet. But they don't care about that, as log as everyone keeps logging in.
I'll try to keep this from becoming a "Why I hate AT&T thread"
I meant I agree that I don't see the point in a cap which would only affect 2% of the population.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: frith]
#14897647 - 08/09/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jryan said: Government needs to stop that, I think Demandprogress.org has a petition that is against bandwidth cap.
Its not always that easy. Sometimes they are necessary.
The majority of intercontinental internet traffic is still running over copper cable strung under the ocean. It is very expensive to have new lines like that installed so the caps ensure everyone has stable access.
Countries like Australia who have a VERY low cap have few other options. Caps are a necessity because the majority of sites/services they will access will not be hosted in Australia.
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The company says that currently only a small percentage of users -- around 2% -- use this much data a month. If that's the case, it's not clear why the company is bothering to install the caps."
completely agree with this though.
Wait, so you think companies like comcast and at&t are only in it to make money off the top 2%? They just don't want to spend the money (That we pay in our monthly rate) for them to update their hardware country wide. This is such a oligopoly, kind of like Blockbuster (Monopoly), they just didn't get into the Netflix business. I just see this hole thing as a way for the cable companies to make money, instead of allowing us (The consumer, who pays our bills) to progress the internet. But they don't care about that, as log as everyone keeps logging in.
I'll try to keep this from becoming a "Why I hate AT&T thread"
I meant I agree that I don't see the point in a cap which would only affect 2% of the population.
Maybe the governments in every country should agree to pay for this fibre optic upgrade, it isn't like it is affecting only half of us. By the way, the US is already connected to Europe via Fiber Optic cables, they float about 200 feet under the ocean, (Submarine technicians and navigators have to know where they are, my friend is a navigator on a submarine).
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
#14897686 - 08/09/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jryan said: Maybe the governments in every country should agree to pay for this fibre optic upgrade, it isn't like it is affecting only half of us.
that is not going to happen.
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Jryan said: By the way, the US is already connected to Europe via Fiber Optic cables, they float about 200 feet under the ocean, (Submarine technicians and navigators have to know where they are, my friend is a navigator on a submarine).
did you notice the key word I used?
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A handful of fiber lines is not going to support communications between a half a billion people on each side of the ocean.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: HeavyToilet]
#14897705 - 08/09/11 06:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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HeavyToilet said: Why would any consumer possibly think it's a good thing?
Cheapens your internet cost. Low use users dont want to subsidize high use users.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: frith]
#14897708 - 08/09/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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frith said: Comcast has a kinda floating point cap that they don't really mention anywhere (I'm sure there is some fine print somewhere). They said that this point is 250GB/month. It seems like they only enforce it if someone is REALLY abusing the network.
I only know this because I transfered over 1TB in a single month. They called me up and basically gave me a warning.
I'm sure I've gone over 250GB/month since then but not quite to that extent. Thats why I assume its a loosely enforced rule.
I do between 500 and 700 on comcast each and every month. Never heard a thing. I pay 25$ a month.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: DieCommie]
#14897722 - 08/09/11 06:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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lol don't you see, they are overcharging to begin with, this is just another way for them to say "We want more money so I can buy the new gulf stream". DieCommie is following me I think j/k about that. Think about it, if it were to expensive for them to lay down Fiber Optics, why would they? SO they can charge the higher fees, how would this benefit them if it was a "Loss"?
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
#14897735 - 08/09/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Think about it, if it were to expensive for them to lay down Fiber Optics, why would they?
I dont know, why? I presume they dont lay fiber optics where I live because its too expensive. I sure cant pay 60/month or whatever they want for it, and neither can most of my neighborhood.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: DieCommie]
#14897740 - 08/09/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Think about it, if it were to expensive for them to lay down Fiber Optics, why would they?
I dont know, why? I presume they dont lay fiber optics where I live because its too expensive. I sure cant pay 60/month or whatever they want for it, and neither can most of my neighborhood.
We pay $40 a month.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: DieCommie]
#14897743 - 08/09/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I dont understand why consumers have it in their head that internet service should be non-metered while other utilities like electricity and gas you only pay for what you use. People are dumb and entitled.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
#14897746 - 08/09/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Think about it, if it were to expensive for them to lay down Fiber Optics, why would they?
I dont know, why? I presume they dont lay fiber optics where I live because its too expensive. I sure cant pay 60/month or whatever they want for it, and neither can most of my neighborhood.
We pay $40 a month.
Yea, with expensive strings attached Im sure.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: DieCommie]
#14897767 - 08/09/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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OH yeah, get this, when we ordered the internet service online it had a DIY option (I offered to do it for my parents sense I use their internet etc. etc.) they wanted to pay for it. The guy was here for like 4 hours drilling holes in the side of our house mounting wires, and the site said "We'll send the box with an instruction manual". Do you know what it cost for that guy to come here? $150, I doubt he gets payed $25 an hour seeing as how he didn't know what a static IP address is.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
#14898337 - 08/09/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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wow, you guys are fucking lucky. I'm paying £25 a month for 20gb, it's a shit service.
If anyone know a good unlimited bandwidth ISP in England do let me know.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Visionary Tools]
#14898351 - 08/09/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Visionary Tools said: wow, you guys are fucking lucky. I'm paying £25 a month for 20gb, it's a shit service.
If anyone know a good unlimited bandwidth ISP in England do let me know.
We need to start a worldwide movement on this. This shit isn't rite and I quote: Last year, while urging Internet users to sign our petition against the Internet Blacklist Bill, Berners-Lee wrote this about the principles that underpin his project -- and that make the work of Demand Progress and its members so important:
"No person or organization shall be deprived of their ability to connect to others at will without due process of law, with the presumption of innocence until found guilty. Neither governments nor corporations should be allowed to use disconnection from the Internet as a way of arbitrarily furthering their own aims."
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: frith]
#14898377 - 08/09/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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frith said: I meant I agree that I don't see the point in a cap which would only affect 2% of the population.
They're instating the cap now, precisely because it doesn't affect a lot of the population. If it did, there would be too much outrage, that might be bad for business. But in the next 10 years, the caps will likely be affecting far more than 2% of the population, but since it's something people were eased into, they won't complain. Business strategy.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: BothHands]
#14898386 - 08/09/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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frith said: I meant I agree that I don't see the point in a cap which would only affect 2% of the population.
They're instating the cap now, precisely because it doesn't affect a lot of the population. If it did, there would be too much outrage, that might be bad for business. But in the next 10 years, the caps will likely be affecting far more than 2% of the population, but since it's something people were eased into, they won't complain. Business strategy.
Look at my statement, "Sense when does a business make a decision that only affects the top 2%?"...............
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
#14898397 - 08/09/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It does only affect the top 2%. For now.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: BothHands]
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BothHands said: It does only affect the top 2%. For now.
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yup (if that "top 2%" is true).
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
#14898462 - 08/09/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm sure it is. I've been streaming movies and shows a good 6 hours a day, and haven't hit my 150GB cap. It's gotta be pretty difficult to use that much bandwidth.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: BothHands]
#14898472 - 08/09/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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BothHands said: I'm sure it is. I've been streaming movies and shows a good 6 hours a day, and haven't hit my 150GB cap. It's gotta be pretty difficult to use that much bandwidth.
What are you streaming at progressive interlace? I'ma brake 150 this month because I watch 480p, although this is all Starcraft 2 streams and I could be watching 1080p but I would blow my 250g cap out of the water.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
#14898486 - 08/09/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Streaming from Netflix.
If I have hit the cap, they haven't charged me or sent me a warning. And we do have a cap with AT&T.
Some is streamed in HD, others not.
Edit: Now that I think about it, it's about 4-6 hours a day, not consistantly 6 hours. Been binging on Netflix for the past 2 months because we're dumping it when they raise the rates.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: BothHands]
#14898680 - 08/09/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's fucking ridiculous how the internet, and consequently residential access to it, have evolved in the past decade. Data transfer has never been faster for me using TWC wideband(DOCSIS 3.0). Since we have our nice d/l speeds it's practical to stream shit like HD movies, but they're large files...
So in the gigantic development and expansion of the internet, we've somehow devolved into having bandwidth caps when you get 20 Mb/s. MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY... Didn't that shit-eating woman that was on some committee(Fed. Trade Commission or FCC?) end up working for AT&T after the very position she held said it was ok for them to acquire T-Mobile. Yay... almost cellular monopolies! The US govt. is a big fat hairy ass that's bent over, but the only thing being shoved into it is money. What's even better is that people sign contracts with AT&T for shit like U-Verse and they can't do anything at all about shit after the fact, but AT&T can change whatever the fuck they want.
Don't other broadband ISP's provide caps in areas where they're the only provider, but not in areas with competition? What a bunch of fucking horse-shit. Here's another great idea for the national deficit: Tax these companies when customers sign contracts imposing bandwidth caps to the point that having the customer isn't profitable. Problem solved!
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
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yup (if that "top 2%" is true). 
yeah, at the rate file sizes are increasing, it is only going to become easier to hit your cap. 5 years ago, brand new computer games were around 4-5gb (in my experience). today, the low end is 10gb, but there are lots of new ones coming out over the 15gb range. not that i would download 250gb of games in one month, just an example.
plus, sites are using all this new multimedia stuff that is completely unnecessary. i hate video ads with a passion, yet even sites i used to trust are flooded with them now!
then again, roadrunner just released their new 100mb/s fiber package here. if that's what the future holds, i'm willing to pay a little extra for it now if i hog up the bandwidth. as long as the cap has some breathing room, like 250gb.
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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: frith]
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frith said: Comcast has a kinda floating point cap that they don't really mention anywhere (I'm sure there is some fine print somewhere). They said that this point is 250GB/month. It seems like they only enforce it if someone is REALLY abusing the network.
I only know this because I transfered over 1TB in a single month. They called me up and basically gave me a warning.
I'm sure I've gone over 250GB/month since then but not quite to that extent. Thats why I assume its a loosely enforced rule.
fuk dude i have comcast and download at 1.9 mbs sometimes while surfing the net, im at 20 gb a day and havent had any probs yet lol.
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