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Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread)
    #14897434 - 08/09/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Do you agree or disagree with the bandwidth cap and why?  I'm actually curious if anyone thinks it is a good thing and isn't just internet companies trying to piggy back money off of things like Netflix.  At&t has an internet cap already (Started in June I think).


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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
    #14897466 - 08/09/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why would any consumer possibly think it's a good thing?

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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #14897485 - 08/09/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Why would any consumer possibly think it's a good thing?



lol, CNN wrote this "Traditional DSL users will be capped at 150 GB per month, while subscribers to the fiber-backed UVerse system have a 250-GB limit. Usage over that will be charged at $10/month for 50 GB, the company says.

The company says that currently only a small percentage of users -- around 2% -- use this much data a month. If that's the case, it's not clear why the company is bothering to install the caps."
(I couldn't find the original letter)

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/03/15/att.broadband.allowance.wired/index.html


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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
    #14897507 - 08/09/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Comcast has a kinda floating point cap that they don't really mention anywhere (I'm sure there is some fine print somewhere). They said that this point is 250GB/month. It seems like they only enforce it if someone is REALLY abusing the network.

I only know this because I transfered over 1TB in a single month. They called me up and basically gave me a warning.

I'm sure I've gone over 250GB/month since then but not quite to that extent. Thats why I assume its a loosely enforced rule.


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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: frith]
    #14897520 - 08/09/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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frith said:
Comcast has a kinda floating point cap that they don't really mention anywhere (I'm sure there is some fine print somewhere). They said that this point is 250GB/month. It seems like they only enforce it if someone is REALLY abusing the network.

I only know this because I transfered over 1TB in a single month. They called me up and basically gave me a warning.

I'm sure I've gone over 250GB/month since then but not quite to that extent. Thats why I assume its a loosely enforced rule.



Yeah, at&t gives you a warning 2 times, on the third they charge you $10 for every 50 gigs you go over, and I've read people getting charged it.


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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
    #14897526 - 08/09/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If that's your guys' cap, you don't know how good you have it. At our top speed(not super fast) we are allowed 3/4 of a gb PER MONTH before they slow it down to what seems like sub-dial-up speeds for going over the bandwidth cap. The only shitty part of living out in the country IMO but atleast I have my phone 2gb/month and anything over is a small 10per gig after that and I say small in comparison to the fine they charge for going over on our actual Internet.

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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: PeterPanda209]
    #14897545 - 08/09/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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If that's your guys' cap, you don't know how good you have it. At our top speed(not super fast) we are allowed 3/4 of a gb PER MONTH before they slow it down to what seems like sub-dial-up speeds for going over the bandwidth cap. The only shitty part of living out in the country IMO but atleast I have my phone 2gb/month and anything over is a small 10per gig after that and I say small in comparison to the fine they charge for going over on our actual Internet.



Government needs to stop that, I think Demandprogress.org has a petition that is against bandwidth cap.  It is so funny though, that "2%" deal, people actually believe that.  When has a company ever only made money off the top 2% of their customers?  LOL.


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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
    #14897546 - 08/09/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

$10 for 50G is not that bad.

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The company says that currently only a small percentage of users -- around 2% -- use this much data a month. If that's the case, it's not clear why the company is bothering to install the caps."



completely agree with this though.


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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: frith]
    #14897560 - 08/09/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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frith said:
$10 for 50G is not that bad.

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The company says that currently only a small percentage of users -- around 2% -- use this much data a month. If that's the case, it's not clear why the company is bothering to install the caps."



completely agree with this though.



Wait, so you think companies like comcast and at&t are only in it to make money off the top 2%?  They just don't want to spend the money (That we pay in our monthly rate) for them to update their hardware country wide.  This is such a oligopoly, kind of like Blockbuster (Monopoly), they just didn't get into the Netflix business.  I just see this hole thing as a way for the cable companies to make money, instead of allowing us (The consumer, who pays our bills) to progress the internet.  But they don't care about that, as log as everyone keeps logging in.

I'll try to keep this from becoming a "Why I hate AT&T thread"


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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
    #14897580 - 08/09/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Jryan said:
Government needs to stop that, I think Demandprogress.org has a petition that is against bandwidth cap.



Its not always that easy. Sometimes they are necessary.

The majority of intercontinental internet traffic is still running over copper cable strung under the ocean. It is very expensive to have new lines like that installed so the caps ensure everyone has stable access.

Countries like Australia who have a VERY low cap have few other options. Caps are a necessity because the majority of sites/services they will access will not be hosted in Australia.


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frith said:
$10 for 50G is not that bad.

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The company says that currently only a small percentage of users -- around 2% -- use this much data a month. If that's the case, it's not clear why the company is bothering to install the caps."



completely agree with this though.



Wait, so you think companies like comcast and at&t are only in it to make money off the top 2%?  They just don't want to spend the money (That we pay in our monthly rate) for them to update their hardware country wide.  This is such a oligopoly, kind of like Blockbuster (Monopoly), they just didn't get into the Netflix business.  I just see this hole thing as a way for the cable companies to make money, instead of allowing us (The consumer, who pays our bills) to progress the internet.  But they don't care about that, as log as everyone keeps logging in.

I'll try to keep this from becoming a "Why I hate AT&T thread"



I meant I agree that I don't see the point in a cap which would only affect 2% of the population.


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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: frith]
    #14897647 - 08/09/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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frith said:
Quote:

Jryan said:
Government needs to stop that, I think Demandprogress.org has a petition that is against bandwidth cap.



Its not always that easy. Sometimes they are necessary.

The majority of intercontinental internet traffic is still running over copper cable strung under the ocean. It is very expensive to have new lines like that installed so the caps ensure everyone has stable access.

Countries like Australia who have a VERY low cap have few other options. Caps are a necessity because the majority of sites/services they will access will not be hosted in Australia.


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Jryan said:
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frith said:
$10 for 50G is not that bad.

Quote:

The company says that currently only a small percentage of users -- around 2% -- use this much data a month. If that's the case, it's not clear why the company is bothering to install the caps."



completely agree with this though.



Wait, so you think companies like comcast and at&t are only in it to make money off the top 2%?  They just don't want to spend the money (That we pay in our monthly rate) for them to update their hardware country wide.  This is such a oligopoly, kind of like Blockbuster (Monopoly), they just didn't get into the Netflix business.  I just see this hole thing as a way for the cable companies to make money, instead of allowing us (The consumer, who pays our bills) to progress the internet.  But they don't care about that, as log as everyone keeps logging in.

I'll try to keep this from becoming a "Why I hate AT&T thread"



I meant I agree that I don't see the point in a cap which would only affect 2% of the population.




Maybe the governments in every country should agree to pay for this fibre optic upgrade, it isn't like it is affecting only half of us.  By the way, the US is already connected to Europe via Fiber Optic cables, they float about 200 feet under the ocean, (Submarine technicians and navigators have to know where they are, my friend is a navigator on a submarine).


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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
    #14897686 - 08/09/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Jryan said:
Maybe the governments in every country should agree to pay for this fibre optic upgrade, it isn't like it is affecting only half of us.



that is not going to happen.

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Jryan said:
By the way, the US is already connected to Europe via Fiber Optic cables, they float about 200 feet under the ocean, (Submarine technicians and navigators have to know where they are, my friend is a navigator on a submarine).



did you notice the key word I used?

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frith said:
The majority of intercontinental internet traffic is still running over copper cable



A handful of fiber lines is not going to support communications between a half a billion people on each side of the ocean.


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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #14897705 - 08/09/11 06:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Why would any consumer possibly think it's a good thing?




Cheapens your internet cost.  Low use users dont want to subsidize high use users.

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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: frith]
    #14897708 - 08/09/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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frith said:
Comcast has a kinda floating point cap that they don't really mention anywhere (I'm sure there is some fine print somewhere). They said that this point is 250GB/month. It seems like they only enforce it if someone is REALLY abusing the network.

I only know this because I transfered over 1TB in a single month. They called me up and basically gave me a warning.

I'm sure I've gone over 250GB/month since then but not quite to that extent. Thats why I assume its a loosely enforced rule.





I do between 500 and 700 on comcast each and every month.  Never heard a thing.  I pay 25$ a month.  :tongue:

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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: DieCommie]
    #14897722 - 08/09/11 06:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol don't you see, they are overcharging to begin with, this is just another way for them to say "We want more money so I can buy the new gulf stream".  DieCommie is following me I think  :feelsparanoidman: j/k about that.  Think about it, if it were to expensive for them to lay down Fiber Optics, why would they?  SO they can charge the higher fees, how would this benefit them if it was a "Loss"?


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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
    #14897735 - 08/09/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Think about it, if it were to expensive for them to lay down Fiber Optics, why would they?




I dont know, why?  I presume they dont lay fiber optics where I live because its too expensive.  I sure cant pay 60/month or whatever they want for it, and neither can most of my neighborhood.

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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: DieCommie]
    #14897740 - 08/09/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
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Think about it, if it were to expensive for them to lay down Fiber Optics, why would they?




I dont know, why?  I presume they dont lay fiber optics where I live because its too expensive.  I sure cant pay 60/month or whatever they want for it, and neither can most of my neighborhood.



We pay $40 a month.


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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: DieCommie]
    #14897743 - 08/09/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dont understand why consumers have it in their head that internet service should be non-metered while other utilities like electricity and gas you only pay for what you use.  People are dumb and entitled.  :crazy2:

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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: Jryan]
    #14897746 - 08/09/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Jryan said:
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DieCommie said:
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Think about it, if it were to expensive for them to lay down Fiber Optics, why would they?




I dont know, why?  I presume they dont lay fiber optics where I live because its too expensive.  I sure cant pay 60/month or whatever they want for it, and neither can most of my neighborhood.



We pay $40 a month.




Yea, with expensive strings attached Im sure.  :wink:

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Re: Bandwidth Cap (I know their was already a thread) [Re: DieCommie]
    #14897767 - 08/09/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

OH yeah, get this, when we ordered the internet service online it had a DIY option (I offered to do it for my parents sense I use their internet etc. etc.) they wanted to pay for it.  The guy was here for like 4 hours drilling holes in the side of our house mounting wires, and the site said "We'll send the box with an instruction manual".  Do you know what it cost for that guy to come here? $150, I doubt he gets payed $25 an hour seeing as how he didn't know what a static IP address is.


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