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Mashiro
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Bucket Tek Bunk?
#14889743 - 08/08/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, for coir, everyone keeps linking me to Damion5050's Elementary Coir Tek, but then other people say that bucket pasteurization is outdated and doesn't hold the proper temperatures. I'm a little confused. I want to do this the easiest way possible, but I also want to do it right. Any advice?
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Re: Bucket Tek Bunk? [Re: Mashiro]
#14889770 - 08/08/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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The bucket tek works like a charm, assuming you use a clean bucket and follow the tek precisely, making sure to keep the heat in the bucket as long as possible.
When people fail it's because they didn't boil the water or because they let too much heat out. Personally I don't open it up to mix it until it's started to cool down. People have a tendency to want to open it up right away and stir it like crazy. It drops below pasteurization temp and then they wonder why it failed.
Just follow the tek precisely and you'll be golden. Don't make small deviations and tell yourself it won't matter.
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M11
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Re: Bucket Tek Bunk? [Re: anonjon]
#14889783 - 08/08/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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One tip I have learned through experience is to be sure to slowly pour the boiling water all over the coir brick; this more evenly distributes the heat and moisture. Stir it all up about 45-60 min after pouring the boiling water.
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Mashiro
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Re: Bucket Tek Bunk? [Re: anonjon]
#14889785 - 08/08/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, boil the shit out of the water, then add it to the mix, put the lid on, and don't bother it until it's cool?
By the way, what's the best way to add pelleted gypsum to the mix? Throw it in with the boiling water or just put it in the bucket with all the other ingredients?
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M11
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Re: Bucket Tek Bunk? [Re: Mashiro]
#14889788 - 08/08/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mashiro said: So, boil the shit out of the water, then add it to the mix, put the lid on, and don't bother it until it's cool?
By the way, what's the best way to add pelleted gypsum to the mix? Throw it in with the boiling water or just put it in the bucket with all the other ingredients?
I always add the gypsum to the water. It takes longer to boil, but works just fine.
-------------------- Of course, then there's the problem of eating vermiculite. On the bright side, it makes your poop and teeth glitter. Just pretend it's christmas. -RR Those mushrooms are fine. Your friend is a pussy. -RR Outdoor Patch
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Ajaxx
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Re: Bucket Tek Bunk? [Re: M11]
#14889906 - 08/08/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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break the coir up to powder with your hands. add a half cup of powdered gypsum to the coir and mix up. then add 2 quarts of vermiculite and mix up. then add your gallon of boiling water. dont use more than a gallon.
youll be golden. every time ive used that tek its worked like a charm.
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prismism



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Re: Bucket Tek Bunk? [Re: Mashiro]
#14889932 - 08/08/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've never liked using the 'bucket tek', it's always been a newb's tek in my opinion. If you want to grow like the big boys then eventually you're going to need to learn how to properly pasteurize. Eventually you're going to want to use things besides coir in your bulk substrate and at that point you're going to wish you were good at pasteurizing instead of pouring boiling water into a bucket.
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Re: Bucket Tek Bunk? [Re: prismism]
#14889943 - 08/08/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bucket tek works but I don't like it. I choose proper pasteurization, I'm a control freak tho.
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I don't use it either, but you can't argue with success
One thing to keep in mind is that all "bricks" are not created equal.
The standard is ~600grams.
I've seen some small bricks around, and dumping 4 qts of water on those would be a mess.
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Ajaxx
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i think thats doing more work than is needed. ive never had a tub contaminate. only a half dozen jars or so comtaminate out of the 200 that ive ever put together. but never a tub. i thought i had cobweb on some tubs, but it ended up being mycelium. it was hard to tell.
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prismism



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Carl Sagan said: One thing to keep in mind is that all "bricks" are not created equal.
The standard is ~600grams.
I've seen some small bricks around, and dumping 4 qts of water on those would be a mess.
Very true. Before I realized this, I used to get confused when I would end up with a supersaturated substrate when using predestined amounts of water. Having to add more vermiculite to balance out the moisture. Something you can't do if you are 'bucket pasteurizing'.
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Ajaxx
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Carl Sagan said: I don't use it either, but you can't argue with success
One thing to keep in mind is that all "bricks" are not created equal.
The standard is ~600grams.
I've seen some small bricks around, and dumping 4 qts of water on those would be a mess.
most bricks are 650 grams. i buy 5 kilo bricks of botanicare coco gro from a hydro store and use that. super easy to break up into powder by hand. i break it up into chunks and weigh them out into 650 gram bags. and NO hydro store coir doesnt contain trichoderma.
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prismism



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Re: Bucket Tek Bunk? [Re: Ajaxx]
#14890024 - 08/08/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ajaxx said: and NO hydro store coir doesnt contain trichoderma.
There is a head shop near my city that has coir that is treated with trichoderma. It says so on the bag. I can drive over there and take a picture if you want me to, but I'd rather you just take my word for it.
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M11
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Re: Bucket Tek Bunk? [Re: prismism]
#14890035 - 08/08/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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I love using the bucket tek because you can pasteurize so much volume at once in such a short amount of time.
-------------------- Of course, then there's the problem of eating vermiculite. On the bright side, it makes your poop and teeth glitter. Just pretend it's christmas. -RR Those mushrooms are fine. Your friend is a pussy. -RR Outdoor Patch
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Ajaxx
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Re: Bucket Tek Bunk? [Re: prismism]
#14890042 - 08/08/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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prismism said:
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Ajaxx said: and NO hydro store coir doesnt contain trichoderma.
There is a head shop near my city that has coir that is treated with trichoderma. It says so on the bag. I can drive over there and take a picture if you want me to, but I'd rather you just take my word for it.
thats strange. i take your word for it. i wont argue with you. but ive never ran into trich treated coir in a hydro store. its kind of against the concept of hydro. usually trich is added to coirs thats sold at garden stores because its used in soil. not hydro.
but, ya, like you said, if it has trich in it, it will say it on the package. thankfully botanicare doesnt add that evil shit in their stuff since its for hydro drip systems. i end up paying 2.50 for 650 grams. shit is all around cheap as hell to put together.
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Re: Bucket Tek Bunk? [Re: Ajaxx]
#14890096 - 08/08/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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I liked this tek... My mushrooms liked it more....
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anonjon
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Re: Bucket Tek Bunk? [Re: M11]
#14890102 - 08/08/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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M11 said: One tip I have learned through experience is to be sure to slowly pour the boiling water all over the coir brick; this more evenly distributes the heat and moisture. Stir it all up about 45-60 min after pouring the boiling water.
This is an important point. Many newbs want to open the bucket after twenty minutes to stir it up, but they release too much heat too soon and end up with a failed pasteurization.
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Re: Bucket Tek Bunk? [Re: anonjon]
#14890245 - 08/08/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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I let my buckets sit for 1-1.5 hours before stirring. I also keep the bucket next to the back of my fridge & keep all my rolls of paper towels around the bucket.
I don't let the water come to a vigorous boil before dumping, but just hits 212 & then dump. The water temp drops between 20-30 degrees while pouring it into the bucket.
The tek is not true & proper pasteurization, but coir is extremely contam resistant & doesn't need it like manure.
Personally, I've only used Damion5050's tek for my bulk ps. c. grows, & it works great!
6 monos going @ once, 3 spawned to bulk @ the exact same time:
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