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Re: Rioting In London [Re: P-O]
    #14890198 - 08/08/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

that guy looks straight gangsta ready to rock out with his cock out. like some white boy ninja shit


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Re: Rioting In London [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14890200 - 08/08/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There's a lot less tolerance for the police outside the US, where cultural diversity has given the police ample fuel to capitalize on people's fear of others.

In the US when the police shoots somebody you just back off. Probably because you don't want to get shot. Also, in the UK, police are not equipped with guns (so I'm actually not sure how this happened).

The UK is still pretty close to the US in terms of being a police state, but I guess the people there have less tolerance for it. :shrug:


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Re: Rioting In London [Re: Dunno]
    #14890210 - 08/08/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i agree dude... why are you getting mad at me




Not getting mad dude :wink: Didn't read the last part properly. I thought you were one of those "Fuck the Police! We should riot over here!" posters. I will edit my post accordingly :smile:

Good pics here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14446548


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Re: Rioting In London [Re: Green_T]
    #14890217 - 08/08/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Rioting In London [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14890224 - 08/08/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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There's a lot less tolerance for the police outside the US, where cultural diversity has given the police ample fuel to capitalize on people's fear of others.

In the US when the police shoots somebody you just back off. Probably because you don't want to get shot. Also, in the UK, police are not equipped with guns (so I'm actually not sure how this happened).

The UK is still pretty close to the US in terms of being a police state, but I guess the people there have less tolerance for it. :shrug:



There are armed squads in within the British police service. Also, Britain is very culturally diverse, probably as much as the US.

I guess the reason that this stuff happened is because police shootings happen so infrequently, and the British public always seem to react pretty strongly towards injustices like this here.


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Re: Rioting In London [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14890236 - 08/08/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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There's a lot less tolerance for the police outside the US, where cultural diversity has given the police ample fuel to capitalize on people's fear of others.

In the US when the police shoots somebody you just back off. Probably because you don't want to get shot. Also, in the UK, police are not equipped with guns (so I'm actually not sure how this happened).

The UK is still pretty close to the US in terms of being a police state, but I guess the people there have less tolerance for it. :shrug:




Some police in the UK carry guns as part of a special squad (distinct from SWAT). If they are responding to a shooting, for example, the unit sent are the ones which carry guns.

I'd say the UK is more of a police state, with all the CCTV cameras etc. However, police in the UK are a lot less "thuggish" than the ones in the states.

Some background:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14436499
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Thursday 4 August

18:15 BST - Mark Duggan, 29, is shot dead by police at Ferry Lane, Tottenham.

The death occurs during an operation where specialist firearm officers and officers from Operation Trident, the unit which deals with gun crime in the African and Caribbean communities, are attempting to carry out an arrest.

Mr Duggan is a passenger in a minicab and is shot after an apparent exchange of fire. A police officer's radio is later found to have a bullet lodged in it.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) announces it will investigate the incident and later says it believes two shots were fired by police. It also confirms that an illegal firearm was recovered from the scene.




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Re: Rioting In London [Re: memes] * 1
    #14890257 - 08/08/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I doubt riots would occur in the US.  I feel like we're to disaggregated & lethargic.




1992 Los Angeles riots anyone?



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Re: Rioting In London [Re: LloydChristmas]
    #14890275 - 08/08/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm pretty sure there were riots over Oscar Grant, too, but they weren't so bad. I think more people showed up to watch the riots than there were rioters. :lolsy:


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Re: Rioting In London [Re: snoot] * 1
    #14890414 - 08/08/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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All the riots I've seen in the US have been peaceful and political in nature. I think if things were to get out of hand like that the national guard would be called immediately to defuse the situation.



Just gonna point out, a 'peaceful riot' is an oxymoron.


And this I send out to no one in particular,

I do agree that, to a large extent, most riots (and rioters) in western nations are void of any purpose beyond mindless destruction and venting frustration. Random acts of violence, performed in the safety of a mob and beyond the veil of a confused authority, may make you feel better in the immediate moment, but long term and even most short term effects of this destruction only serves to further the cause of the authority figures you opposed.

But, that being said, riots can still be a valid form of protest, if only done properly. A riot gets the attention of the public, and can be a potent form of direct action for whatever cause you support. Burn down the symbols of the authoritarian oppressors, protect the oppressed workers. Approach it as a form of urban warfare, not an orgy of destruction.

In the words of the late and great Abbie Hoffman:
"The guideline in trashing is to try and do as much property destruction as possible without getting caught or hurt. The best buildings to trash in terms of not alienating too many of those not yet clued into revolutionary violence, are the most piggy symbols of violence you can find. Banks, large corporations, especially those that participate heavily in supporting the U.S. armed forces, federal buildings, courthouses, police stations, and Selective Service centers are all good targets. On campuses, building that are noted for warfare research and ROTC training are best. When it comes to automobiles, choose only police vehicles and very expensive cars such as Lamborghinis and Iso Grifos. Every rock or molotov cocktail thrown should make a very obvious political point. Random violence produces random propaganda results. Why waste even a rock?"


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Re: Rioting In London [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #14890430 - 08/08/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

media influence has a strong hold of the citizens of USA.

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Re: Rioting In London [Re: P-O]
    #14890495 - 08/08/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

To be honest, if I lived in London, I'd probably be out gettin me some loot :evil: Fuck the arson though, the city's already burned down once before.


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Re: Rioting In London [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #14890549 - 08/08/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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All the riots I've seen in the US have been peaceful and political in nature. I think if things were to get out of hand like that the national guard would be called immediately to defuse the situation.



Just gonna point out, a 'peaceful riot' is an oxymoron.





non violent? non destructive? does this suffice? Should have said as well from my experience, not seen, as the ones in LA back in the day and a few others were particularly destructive.


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Re: Rioting In London [Re: snoot]
    #14890688 - 08/08/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What I mean is violence and destruction are inherent to the definition of a riot. You can't have a riot without some form of destruction. A 'peaceful riot' would simply be called a 'gathering', 'protest', 'demonstration' or something similar.

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riot [noun]: a noisy, violent public disorder caused by a group or crowd of persons, as by a crowd protesting against another group, a government policy, etc., in the streets.




But yea, the U.S. has had some riots in the past. The Rodney King verdict is an awesome example. "April 29th, 1992. There was a riot on the streets, tell me where were you? You were sitting home watching your tv, while I was participating in some anarchy." Or, think to the BART shooting and the riots that spawned in Oakland.

The world over, people can always be roused up to riot. One must only get angry enough.


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Re: Rioting In London [Re: ButteredToast]
    #14890782 - 08/08/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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People are too afraid to riot in the US. It's nice to see that people in London aren't afraid to act out against police injustice.




Remember that the people who originally rebelled and formed this country the US were English, since then this country has lost that will to rebel. Maybe when things get real bad that spirit will return, till then we will have to prove our strength by attacking 3rd world lesser developed countries. Here people fear the police and give the all the resorces to keep a boot on our necks.

The killing of this man was not waranted or justifiable, I hope that people don't forget it or wait till it happens again to get justice.

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Re: Rioting In London [Re: Morican]
    #14890791 - 08/08/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I wish people had rioted over that guy the police brutally beat to death 'round these parts the other day. There is absolutely no excuse for that kind of brutality and it sure as hell doesn't make me feel safe.


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Re: Rioting In London [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14890827 - 08/08/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Some people are rioting in Birmingham now


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Re: Rioting In London [Re: Green_T]
    #14890831 - 08/08/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Citizen dies.


LETS BURN DOWN OUR OWN CITY >:O THAT'LL SHOW EM


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    #14890838 - 08/08/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Citizen dies.


LETS BURN DOWN OUR OWN CITY >:O THAT'LL SHOW EM




Meanwhile, in Canada.

Hockey team loses.

FUCK IT ALL LET'S BURN DOWN OUR OWN CITY


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Re: Rioting In London [Re: propensity]
    #14890844 - 08/08/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Citizen dies.


LETS BURN DOWN OUR OWN CITY >:O THAT'LL SHOW EM



Citizen gets murdered by people supposed to protect others

Protest, make sure justice is served.


All this rioting shit is going too far, though.


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Re: Rioting In London [Re: propensity]
    #14890848 - 08/08/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Somebody posted a bunch of pictures of the Greek riots awhile back.

Now, I can't condone violence, and I (perhaps hypocritically) consider myself nonviolent, but I was more than a little pleased to see images of riot cops being set on fire and kicked in the nuts. :whacker:


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