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ID Request: 27 photos in SE suburbs, Melbourne, Victoria, AU
    #1488695 - 04/24/03 10:12 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Hello everyone. I'm new to this forum and to mushroom hunting. I don't have any experience with identifying mushrooms, so I hope someone can help me out here. I've read the mushroom ID guides but I'll be more comfortable if someone with experience could help with the ID. This is in the South-Eastern Suburbs in Melbourne, Victoria (Australia). I've taken 27 photos of 17 different species and they're available here:
27 photos of 17 species in SE suburbs taken today
I do not own this domain or blog, it belongs to a friend. I'm just a guest blogger and I've uploaded the photos there because I couldn't do it here (too many). Please ignore the irrelevant details (it's a personal blog) and assist with the mushroom ID from the photos if you have the time. It's fine to either reply here or comment in the post directly. Thanks in advance to anyone who replies, I appreciate your time!


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Re: ID Request: 27 photos in SE suburbs, Melbourne, Victoria, AU [Re: veritas_VIC_AU]
    #1488770 - 04/24/03 10:54 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

hey just checking out your photos now...

one lil bit of advice : please dont base your ID's simply on "cause it looks like this picture"!! alot of poisonous mushrooms look VERY similar to non-poisonous ones, and at different stages of growth mushrooms can look very different...

since you're in victoria... this is the best time of the year for you to go hunting! there is ONE species of mushroom which you will have the most success finding, and that is psilocybe subaeruginosa. check out the photos on erowid.org of these, i'm sure bluemeanie will come along and give u a better description than those photos, and remember that these will bruise blue VERY strongly. if it doesn't bruise blue theres no chance it's a p. subaeruginosa.

as for your mushrooms... i'm not very knowledgeable on ID's, but i'll do my best on a few of them.

mushroom no. 2 is not panaeolus subbaltealus... it's growing in woodchips, i doubt it's psychoactive, but someone could come along and say it's p. australiana...

mushroom no. 4. i've seen heaps of these around, i think it's Stropharia Aurantiaca. these will make u poo a chocolate milkshake. yummy :tongue: dont eat!

mushroom no. 8. i think it's the same as mushroom no. 4...

mushroom no. 9. not a cubensis.

10. not australiana.

12. not cubensis.

13, not cubensis. cubensis grow in cow poo generally.

14. not aucklandii

anyways... doesnt look like you've ffound anything magic... keep looking, and more importantly do some research! you're looking for p.subaeruginosa... they aren't a difficult ID... if you find something in woodchips that looks exactly right, it bruises blue (an obvious blue) and it has gills, then as far as i know there is nothing poisonous/nothing else out there that it could be (bluemeanie verify this?).

you'll find them in woodchips, pine needles, pine mulch, eucalypt mulch, and as far as i know they're quite common in victoria (much more so than here in nsw)! so good luck

cheers,
jimbu


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Re: ID Request: 27 photos in SE suburbs, Melbourne, Victoria, AU [Re: jimbu]
    #1488786 - 04/24/03 11:03 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i live in melbourne Australia and none of those are the ones i eat!!

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum3&Number=1485623&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

there are some photos of P. subaeruginosa a common psychedelic mushroom that we find lots of in the eastern suburbs of melbourne (ie ringwood). And budy they are as potent as all hell i love eat about 6-12 (depending on expirence/body weight) and you'll trip real hard =)


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Re: ID Request: 27 photos in SE suburbs, Melbourne, Victoria, AU [Re: veritas_VIC_AU]
    #1488787 - 04/24/03 11:04 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Nice pics man.

Unfortunately, I see no psilocybes in there.  I think you'll have more luck if you get the characteristics of them down before hunting them, rather than picking/taking pics of every mushroom you come across.  Identifying them based on pictures from erowid is not the way to go.

Mushroom #1 I would guess is an Agaricus sp., should have pinkish-brown gills if so.

#4 is Hypholoma (Naematoloma) aurantiaca.  They seem to be a good indicator species for P. cyanescens here in Seattle...

#8 does look like gyms, but you'll need to give more info if you want to narrow it down any more than that.

#13 appears to be a Psathyrella.

#17 is Coprinus comatus, the shaggy mane.  A good edible.

Good luck on the hunt :smile: ...

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Re: ID Request: 27 photos in SE suburbs, Melbourne, Victoria, AU [Re: veritas_VIC_AU]
    #1488815 - 04/24/03 11:15 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Nice lot of photos...!


You have been getting more rain down there lately...lucky sods  :grin:




No 4 might be those damn little red things - Stropharia aurantica...or it could be just the colour photo isn't very true and they might be something more 'interesting'  :wink: Were they very orange-red?? If the flesh stained yellow like I think i can see here, however - no good...




The gils on No. 11 look a lot like a common Agaricus...that typical reddish-brown




No 17 is a young "shaggy mane" Coprinus comatus I'd say, like this one:



and which when mature have dissolving or deliquescing {??) gills:



shaggy manes have a substance like a natural disulfram (i think that's the right spelling) which is the ingredient of antabuse, the anti-alcoholic medication. So you only eat the young specimens - before the cap turns black - and no alcohol for a while before ingestion and after




Did any of the 'suspected' psilocybes stain blue?? I haven't had a lot of experience, but i don't know if i recognise any psychoactives there...


maybe someone more experienced can prove me wrong  :grin:


       


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Re: ID Request: 27 photos in SE suburbs, Melbourne, Victoria [Re: veritas_VIC_AU]
    #1488829 - 04/24/03 11:21 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Welcome aboard. Nice photos.

Your commentary among the photos is useful.

Here are a few tips for your next foray and for identification:

1. Don't use plastic bags (as you were considering). Mushrooms rot and go bad very quickly in plastic. Use waxed paper or brown paper. The mushrooms need to breathe a little to avoid the growth of bacteria (don't want food poisoning).

2. Photos for identification almost always need to include the underside of the mushroom, showing the gills and stem. The base of the stem is important for identifying some mushrooms. The top of the mushroom is important, too, but the underside is usually more important.

3. Pick the mushrooms you want identified. Take them home and make spore prints (read the FAQ above for more details). Write a description for each collection. Keep the collections separate (don't mix species in a bag). Note the habitat they were growing in (you did that some). In particular, learn to identify the more common trees in your area. Lots of mushrooms grow under specific kinds of trees.

4. When identifying, start at the higher end of the tree and work your way down to species. First, learn to identify the families of mushrooms. Genus is the big one you want to be able to do. Once you can identify mushrooms to genus, then focus on the more common and distinctive members of the genera you're interested in.

5. Relying on matching photographs for identification doesn't work very well. Instead, learn the important characteristics of each family, genus, and species. If you find a mushroom that seems to match the characteristics, then compare it to a photo for confirmation.


Let's run through your photos and see what you've got (using your mushroom numbers).

1. You didn't give any information about the gills or spore print color. Based on the cap appearance it could be a Tricholoma or an Agaricus maybe. Spore print color would tell us which immediately. Then we could get additional information to help get to species.

2. We need a spore print for this one. I don't think it's a Panaeolus.

3. Tricholoma, maybe? Spore print!

4. It's not a Gymnopilus. Spore print and show us the underside.

5. Spore print (you're probably getting sick of hearing that by now). If I had to guess I'd probably go with Agrocybe for this one.

6. Spore print. We really need to see the underside of this one to guess.

7. Panaeolus foenisecii grows in lawns normally. You got the underside of this one in photo 8, but we can't really see the gills because it's dark in there. For a specimen like this, cut the mushroom in half vertically and show us the cross section.

8. Gymnopilus doesn't have black/brown gills. They tend to be orange mushrooms. Seeing the underside of these would be helpful. given how fibrous the caps look I might start with a guess of Inocybe (a very dangerous genus). They could also be Stropharia.

9. It's not Psilocybe cubensis. You took a great photo of the underside here (#12). The gills are the wrong color and there isn't a ring on the stem. We need a spore print to get this one, and a cross section would be helpful, too.

10. Again you got the underside in a good photo. It's not in the genus Psilocybe. I would probably start my guesses with Lepiota. A spore print would help a lot.

11. You got an underside, but it's a little fuzzy. A cross section would help on this one, and a spore print would be essential. Given the pinkish color of the gills I would start my guesses with either Entoloma or Agaricus, dependong on spore print color.

12. Spore print and underside of cap. I can't even begin to guess on this one.

13. They're not Psilocybe cubensis. What color were the gills? Spore print and underside of cap.

14. Good underside shot. I don't think that's a Psilocybe. Given the gill color I might go with Entoloma. Spore print would be essential on this one.

15. Is it a puffball? An Amanita? We need to see the underside and a cross section on this one. And, of course, a spore print.

16. Interesting looking. We need the usual stuff.

17. This is a mushroom that can be identified from the photo. It's Coprinus comatus, which is a choice edible. Eat them while the gills are still white. Once they start to turn colored they go bad fast. Get them home in a hurry and cook them up. Goes great with eggs.

Next you show some more specimens of #10. Above I guessed Lepiota. If the spores are brown then I would say they are Inocybe. Mushrooms looking like those (in either of those genera) would be poisonous and potentially lethal. Spore print color would tell us which genus of the 2.


Please don't take this all as harsh criticism. I'm trying to give you enough tips to help make your next foray more successful. You're finding mushrooms like crazy which is a great first step. Your photos are (mostly) very sharp and show the mushrooms well. A little more info and we could be on the way to identifying what you're finding so you can find what you want.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: ID Request: 27 photos in SE suburbs, Melbourne, Victoria [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1488872 - 04/24/03 11:39 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the prompt and informative replies everyone! I really appreciate it. I'll be using the tips on my next mushroom hunting trip for better results. Thanks again!


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Re: ID Request: 27 photos in SE suburbs, Melbourne, Victoria *DELETED* [Re: veritas_VIC_AU]
    #1491063 - 04/24/03 10:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: ID Request: 27 photos in SE suburbs, Melbourne, Victoria [Re: Reverend_Jim_Jones]
    #1492299 - 04/25/03 10:04 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Id say that the only one there that resembled a psilocybe was number 2 as it did resemble Ps.Subaeruginosa. If it has a whitish stem, striate margin, stains strongly blue and has a purple spore print its possible.
3 looked like a Gymnopilus, id agree that 4,8 and 9 look like Stropharia (Hypoloma) Aurantiaca which is slightly poisonous and common near areas where subaeruginosa is found. I see a few Coprinus species there too - shaggymane number 17, etc.
I was unaware the MJ shroomer guide on erowid has any pictures of ps.eucalypta, tasmaniana or Subaeruginosa.
Australiana btw is actually synonymous with Subaeruginosa so technically it does not exist as it was incorrect delineated by Guzman.
The season down in melbourne is pretty good this year. Have fun.


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Re: ID Request: 27 photos in SE suburbs, Melbourne, Victoria [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1492438 - 04/25/03 10:57 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

hey bluemeanie, i've recently come across a heap of woodchip beds where i've found several huge patches of Stropharia Aurantiaca. there were no subaeruginosa to be seen however. it has continued to rain over the past few days... is there any chance that sub's will still pop up in these areas even tho there was no sign of them a few days ago?

i'm in sydney tho, so temperatures have been chilly but probably not as preferable as the weather down in melbourne.

cheers,
jimbu


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Re: ID Request: 27 photos in SE suburbs, Melbourne, Victoria [Re: jimbu]
    #1492462 - 04/25/03 11:05 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Since they love the same conditions you'd expect that there is a chance that some subs might pop up as well.
This is a pretty poor quality pic of sub growing next to one of those red mushrooms:


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