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OfflineKickleM
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The harm of misunderstanding
    #14876518 - 08/05/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I have seen often that people believe they are enlightened,
or at least act it. And so feel nothing needs to be done.
As though the destination has been arrived at safe and secure.
While I hope this is true, it doesn't appear that way to me.

"So, delicate one, you burn even when touched by hot water.
Upon performing deeds leading to [suffering], how will you remain at ease?

You expect result with no effort. So delicate you are and in so
much pain. While in the clutches of death, you act like an
immortal. Hey, miserable one, you are destroying yourself!"


Can one understand their own misunderstanding? :lol:


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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: Kickle]
    #14876864 - 08/05/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Over time, with experience, yes


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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: Kickle]
    #14877492 - 08/05/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Kickle said:
I have seen often that people believe they are enlightened,
or at least act it. And so feel nothing needs to be done.
As though the destination has been arrived at safe and secure.
While I hope this is true, it doesn't appear that way to me.

"So, delicate one, you burn even when touched by hot water.
Upon performing deeds leading to [suffering], how will you remain at ease?

You expect result with no effort. So delicate you are and in so
much pain. While in the clutches of death, you act like an
immortal. Hey, miserable one, you are destroying yourself!"


Can one understand their own misunderstanding? :lol:




If I even had an inkling about what you are talking about perhaps I could respond.  Normally I tend to understand you but not this time.


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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: LunarEclipse] * 1
    #14878070 - 08/05/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The common message that "enlightenment is right here and so i don't need to do anything to become enlightened"
The idea of enlightenment already being here, when misunderstood, only leads to the continuation of suffering.


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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: Kickle]
    #14878372 - 08/05/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Kickle said:
The common message that "enlightenment is right here and so i don't need to do anything to become enlightened"
The idea of enlightenment already being here, when misunderstood, only leads to the continuation of suffering.




agreed! :sun:


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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: Kickle]
    #14878534 - 08/05/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Kickle said:
The common message that "enlightenment is right here and so i don't need to do anything to become enlightened"
The idea of enlightenment already being here, when misunderstood, only leads to the continuation of suffering.





Then my question is, what does one do to become enlightened.


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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: Icelander]
    #14878571 - 08/05/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Cease suffering


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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: Kickle]
    #14878580 - 08/05/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

good answer.:thumbup: About the only one I would have accepted.:laugh:


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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: Icelander]
    #14878702 - 08/05/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Somewhere in Be Here Now, Ram Dass says something along the lines of: You have to suffer, you just can't be the one suffering. Suffering can act as a purifying fire.

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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14878886 - 08/05/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

This post is very intriguing. It is very true about the enlightening of people-did it really happen? You must reach the point of non-ado, no suffering, no private ends to serve, unchanged...many are nowhere near that...including myself.


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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: Kickle]
    #14880464 - 08/06/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Kickle said:
The common message that "enlightenment is right here and so i don't need to do anything to become enlightened"
The idea of enlightenment already being here, when misunderstood, only leads to the continuation of suffering.




Its really good to hear someone say this...!!

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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: Kickle]
    #14881069 - 08/06/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Kickle said:
The common message that "enlightenment is right here and so i don't need to do anything to become enlightened"
The idea of enlightenment already being here, when misunderstood, only leads to the continuation of suffering.




Another way to phrase this...

The belief that enlightenment is found in the present moment ultimately leads to apathy.


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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: Kickle]
    #14881206 - 08/06/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Experientially there is a universe of difference between believing nothing needs to be done & actually understanding with your heart that you alone are

Any posturing or pretense gets undone by the suffering you speak about


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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14885298 - 08/07/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Kickle said:
Cease suffering




Not just accept it?

Quote:

c0sm0nautt said:
Somewhere in Be Here Now, Ram Dass says something along the lines of: You have to suffer, you just can't be the one suffering. Suffering can act as a purifying fire.




:thumbup: I would say suffering, if accepted, can lead to wisdom and knowledge. In my opinion there is only one thing one can do to become enlightened and that is to understand enlightenment, understand the moment, understand life and most importantly live it.

Lah'Kesh


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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14885466 - 08/07/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

c0sm0nautt said:
Somewhere in Be Here Now, Ram Dass says something along the lines of: You have to suffer, you just can't be the one suffering. Suffering can act as a purifying fire.




I just posted this in another thread, nice coincidence



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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: Chronic7]
    #14885588 - 08/07/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

The Chronic said:
nice coincidence





There are none.

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Re: The harm of misunderstanding [Re: The Whale]
    #14885832 - 08/07/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

?


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