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DieCommie
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And this is different from the mechanical levers in the past? Or has it always been this way?
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Jryan
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Re: US Credit Rating Downgrade [Re: DieCommie]
#14886426 - 08/07/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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love2shpongleIRL said: Problem is there is no chain of custody and security is seriously lacking(No review of the software is conducted).
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DieCommie said: And this is different from the mechanical levers in the past? Or has it always been this way?
Last time I voted it was paper and pencil.
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Re: US Credit Rating Downgrade [Re: Jryan]
#14886437 - 08/07/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jryan said: You may not like my rebuttle, but it is a rebuttle nonetheless. You are confusing the winner take all system with the electoral college and you are disregarding minority rights.
I was more referring to the Bush administration office steal.
Didn't happen. Peddle your retarded lies somewhere else. Not on my watch.
Rebuttal.
Proof? I have some Its called google http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=Bush+stole+the+election+2000&pbx=1&oq=Bush+stole+the+election+2000&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=4261l8531l0l8733l28l22l0l2l2l0l280l3741l1.11.8l20l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=7caaed5eb0414d97&biw=1680&bih=920
You think that a conglomeration of retards still whining is proof? Even the NY Times copped to Gore's loss. Please. You are beclowning yourself. Again.
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Re: US Credit Rating Downgrade [Re: DieCommie]
#14886474 - 08/07/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You don't know for sure who is interacting with the software at what time and it is very easy to slip malicous software in that could change votes with a simple flash drive. This could be easily solved if the machines printed a copy of the ballot for both the voter and the state.
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DieCommie
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love2shpongleIRL said: You don't know for sure who is interacting with the software at what time and it is very easy to slip malicous software in that could change votes with a simple flash drive. This could be easily solved if the machines printed a copy of the ballot for both the voter and the state.
I dont know what people are doing with my mechanical lever pull or paper ballot though. What would a printed copy do? Nothing but provide a false sense of security.
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mister
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Re: US Credit Rating Downgrade [Re: DieCommie]
#14886483 - 08/07/11 04:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You may not like my rebuttle, but it is a rebuttle nonetheless. You are confusing the winner take all system with the electoral college and you are disregarding minority rights.
Maybe you are confused. One, I never said anything about minorities. If you are able to vote legally, then it would be counted. Or is that the problem, some minorities vote fraudulently. If every vote was counted, then the one that has the most votes would be the election winner. your electoral college system is a winner take all system. It would be fair to all that could vote. as far as anything else I smell
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zappaisgod
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Not for nothing but what do you think that would accomplish and what would happen to anonymous voting?
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mister
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Re: US Credit Rating Downgrade [Re: zappaisgod]
#14886488 - 08/07/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Not for nothing but what do you think that would accomplish and what would happen to anonymous voting?
if you have to vote anon, then you shouldn't be. Be proud of who you vote for, and hope he/she doesn't jack things up.
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Re: US Credit Rating Downgrade [Re: mister]
#14886497 - 08/07/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You may not like my rebuttle, but it is a rebuttle nonetheless. You are confusing the winner take all system with the electoral college and you are disregarding minority rights.
Maybe you are confused. One, I never said anything about minorities. If you are able to vote legally, then it would be counted. Or is that the problem, some minorities vote fraudulently. If every vote was counted, then the one that has the most votes would be the election winner. your electoral college system is a winner take all system. It would be fair to all that could vote. as far as anything else I smell
No, you are confused. Minorty rights are people not living in marjority places (texas, new york and california). The electoral college subsidizes people in the other 47 states who are politically disenfranchised - they are the minorities I am talking about.
Also, the electoral college is not necessarily a winner take all. Maine and Nebraska do not have winner take all systems.
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Re: US Credit Rating Downgrade [Re: DieCommie]
#14886501 - 08/07/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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With a paper ballot, there is a verifiable chain of custody with who is handling what ballot. Yes, tampering is still possible but it is easier to catch this way.
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Re: US Credit Rating Downgrade [Re: DieCommie]
#14886526 - 08/07/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Carry on commie, you are correct, it would be a false sense of security. Check this out:
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Re: US Credit Rating Downgrade [Re: mister]
#14886568 - 08/07/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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if you have to vote anon, then you shouldn't be. Be proud of who you vote for, and hope he/she doesn't jack things up.
Are you shitting me? You really don't understand why there are secret ballots?
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Re: US Credit Rating Downgrade [Re: Jryan]
#14886570 - 08/07/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Or maybe I will just suspect that they won the vote due to a lack of evidence suggesting otherwise.
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Re: US Credit Rating Downgrade [Re: zappaisgod]
#14886620 - 08/07/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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He has to get it, it is common sense. Probably slipped his mind or something.
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mister
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is this the voting online thing? or something. Cause I see the online voting as a means to abuse voting.
But anyways, how did this get moved from the OP topic?
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Re: US Credit Rating Downgrade [Re: mister]
#14886763 - 08/07/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, it's about electronic voting booths, not online voting. As for the the straying away from topic, probably my fault.
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Re: US Credit Rating Downgrade [Re: mister]
#14886781 - 08/07/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Not for nothing but what do you think that would accomplish and what would happen to anonymous voting?
if you have to vote anon, then you shouldn't be. Be proud of who you vote for, and hope he/she doesn't jack things up.
Tell that to someone who is in a one sided town where you'd get your ass kicked for voting the other guy in.
Hell, there are some places in the world where you'll get shot for voting the wrong person.
But most of all it's so the richer side wont send you a shit ton of mail trying to convince you otherwise.
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TheSlapnCapn
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Re: US Credit Rating Downgrade [Re: PatrickKn]
#14887947 - 08/07/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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So anyways.... about this credit downgrade..........................
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ManianFH
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yeah. wonder what the market fluctuation will look like tomorrow. not that I expect a devastating turn or anything, but sometimes it feels good to have absolutely nothing to lose, except your cat.
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Re: US Credit Rating Downgrade [Re: ManianFH]
#14888527 - 08/08/11 02:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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No doubt... Its cool to sit back and watch the bubble swirl and wonder how far it'll float...
I'm gonna stockpile some seeds and read up on my survival skills in the meantime i suppose...
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