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OfflineDogomush
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The karmic debt of crows
    #1486364 - 04/23/03 03:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I watched an osprey (cool birds.. they're like small eagles who hunt fish on freshwater lakes here in BC.. the only eagle like bird who can fully submerge himself to catch a fish) this osprey I watched dropped out of the sky and dove into the water. He disspeared for a few moments and then surfaced with a big mudsucker in his talons and took off. He laboriously gained some height and then landed on a telephone pole where he started picking at his fish. But then he took off and flew back over the lake. A big bald eagle flew in, and a lone crow. They harressed the osprey and he dropped the fish out of a need to manoeuver. Are these animals going to hell? And if no, then can I declare myself feral and on the same playing field as animals and get away with shoplifting and robbery? And where does karma come in? Is the crow going to reincarnate as a slug, or maybe a fish?


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Re: The karmic debt of crows [Re: Dogomush]
    #1486381 - 04/23/03 04:00 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Haha  :grin:

..animals follow a similar, parallel path of evolution and reincarnation as humans. Karma exists in the animal kingdom, of course, but the definition of Karma is one that is subject to many different interpretations depending on the person. Soul interactions, karma..is not a punishment..nor do you get punished by karma. When someone creates "Bad" Karma, it does not come back and hit them in the ass later, instead, later in life or perhaps in the next, they will feel the need to make right what they did wrong, or to pay off a karmic debt. It is a willing process. 


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Re: The karmic debt of crows [Re: Dogomush]
    #1486417 - 04/23/03 04:13 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

You must remember that in real life, there are barely any "rules." This is quite different from the "virtual reality" that we humans reside in.


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Re: The karmic debt of crows [Re: Dogomush]
    #1486485 - 04/23/03 04:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Animals follow their true nature, therefore they are in balance and do not obtain karma.


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Re: The karmic debt of crows [Re: Seuss]
    #1486493 - 04/23/03 04:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know any human who doesn't follow their true nature.


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Re: The karmic debt of crows [Re: Dogomush]
    #1486504 - 04/23/03 04:37 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, what is "true nature"? and how can a being not follow it?


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Re: The karmic debt of crows [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1486515 - 04/23/03 04:40 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

my true nature is to not follow my true nature. Another aspect of my true nature is that I use the term "true nature" without having any idea what that could possibly mean. If it's your nature, and it's true, then you would have to follow it because otherwise it would be false nature.


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Re: The karmic debt of crows [Re: Dogomush]
    #1487132 - 04/23/03 08:06 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I always thought that being a crow was what happened to you when you when you stole and robbed?? Going from a crow to a snail is a step up. Snails can just laze around eating veggies all day. Crows have to wait around fo kids at highschools to leave trash there so that they can scrounge at it.


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Re: The karmic debt of crows [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1487169 - 04/23/03 08:27 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

yeah, what is "true nature"? and how can a being not follow it?




For a Christian, the true nature of man would be the level of being before eating from the tree in the garden of eden.

For a student of Zen, ZaZen would be the true nature of man.

... acting without action.


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Re: The karmic debt of crows [Re: Seuss]
    #1488092 - 04/24/03 02:46 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

"For a Christian"

What about for a Human?


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Re: The karmic debt of crows [Re: Strumpling]
    #1490539 - 04/24/03 07:44 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

forget zen and christian, those are mere thought constructs, I'm talking about the true nature of a "human", zennists and christians dont have independant natures, they adopt other peoples ideologies.


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Re: The karmic debt of crows [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1490605 - 04/24/03 08:00 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

think outside the BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOX!!!!


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Re: The karmic debt of crows [Re: Dogomush]
    #1491557 - 04/25/03 01:42 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

adopt no idealogies and ye shall be set free...................


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Re: The karmic debt of crows [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #1491564 - 04/25/03 01:46 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

adopt no idealogies and ye shall be set free...................

Bah get outta here with your ideologically-inspired bossy commands.


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Re: The karmic debt of crows [Re: Dogomush]
    #1492285 - 04/25/03 09:57 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I feel kind of bad for the Osprey. I'd be mad if someone came and beat me up and stole my lunch...The Eagle is a bully. But I bet its not his fault, 'cause like, his Mommy probably paid more attention to the other eggs and Eaglets. She should have her young taken away...


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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