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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: Edame]
    #1490014 - 04/24/03 03:11 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Edame writes:

As much as this is a cool idea, who thinks that the OPEC nations and traditional oil companies (Bush himself could have a lot to lose here) are going to just roll over and accept this?

What are they gonna do about it? What can they do about it?

A diesel engine (for example) will run on purified vegetable oil amongst other things, and it was originally designed to run on alternative fuels like that anyway, but it was decided for economic reasons that petroleum should be used instead.

It wan't governments or oil companies who decided to use diesel fuel, it was the consumers. While it is true that diesel engines will run on all manner of different fuels, at current prices of diesel fuel you get the most energy output per dollar with petroleum based fuel. That may not necessarily always be the case, but it is today.

I'd love to see this work, but it may have a lot of opposition.

Again, how can anyone stop it?

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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: Learyfan]
    #1490039 - 04/24/03 03:16 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

LearyFan writes:

Why would they do that?

Why wouldn't they do that? Governments routinely give all sorts of grants out to all kinds of pretty marginal research projects such as studies of the mating habits of giant squids.

This project if successful holds the promise of reducing two significant problems -- the mountains of waste that Americans generate and the dependence on imported oil. If ever there was a project worthy of having government dollars invested in it, this is it.

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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: Learyfan]
    #1490132 - 04/24/03 03:43 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

They would do it because in reality it would solve a shiznat load of environmental problems. After all Repubs arent exactly know for having the cleanest envir record. This would help their image immensely. Plus oil companies pay millions of dollars to have their waste problems taken care of and hey it looks like a cheaper cleaner solution just arrived.


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: Edame]
    #1490143 - 04/24/03 03:46 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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who thinks that the OPEC nations and traditional oil companies (Bush himself could have a lot to lose here) are going to just roll over and accept this?





Oil companies will be just as happy to sell you energy made from garbage as they are to sell you energy pumped from the ground. They are all slowly transitioning to being thought of as 'energy companies' and not just oil companies. Huge ones like BP are doing a lot of the research into alternative sources, because it is coming and they want to be the first on the scene. This is very capital intensive, so you'll need huge investors.

As for OPEC, they will be unable to stop their own march to irrelevance.

Notice that one of the people interested in this is Warren Buffett. Smart money never bets against Buffett.


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: Evolving]
    #1490372 - 04/24/03 04:54 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

From another discussion board:

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yeah but think of what you will be burning... waste instead of fossil fuels. This is a big difference! When you burn fossil fuels, you are taking carbon out of the ground and adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.

When you burn waste, the carbon dioxide you produce comes from a cycle, not from the ground. So you would not be *adding* carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. Example: a paper farm grows trees to have wood to make paper. The trees absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Wastepaper is turned into oil and burned. This produces carbon dioxide which matches the gas absorbed by the trees in the first place.






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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: Phred]
    #1490460 - 04/24/03 05:17 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I get it now. The reason government will allow this(they can do anything they want) is because their revenue may possibly stay about the same. Digging for oil, transporting it and everything else involved is pretty expensive. They can still make about the same amount of revenue from waste oil.

I dig.

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If ever there was a project worthy of having government dollars invested in it, this is it.




Amen to that.



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