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Offlinewingnutx
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A system for turning just about anything into oil
    #1485830 - 04/23/03 01:07 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Taking Turkey's oil

Evolving posted this over on the sci/tech board, and it deserves to be seen by more people. It does have some serious political implications.

A bunch of chemists on another board I frequent have been giving this a lot of attention, and it looks damn promising.


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: wingnutx]
    #1485857 - 04/23/03 01:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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But first things first. Today, here at the plant at Philadelphia's Naval Business Center, the experimental feedstock is turkey processing-plant waste: feathers, bones, skin, blood, fat, guts. A forklift dumps 1,400 pounds of the nasty stuff into the machine's first stage, a 350-horsepower grinder that masticates it into gray brown slurry. From there it flows into a series of tanks and pipes, which hum and hiss as they heat, digest, and break down the mixture. Two hours later, a white-jacketed technician turns a spigot. Out pours a honey-colored fluid, steaming a bit in the cold warehouse as it fills a glass beaker.
It really is a lovely oil.
"The longest carbon chains are C-18 or so," says Appel, admiring the liquid. "That's a very light oil. It is essentially the same as a mix of half fuel oil, half gasoline."




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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: wingnutx]
    #1486919 - 04/23/03 07:03 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Pardon me, says a reporter, shivering in the frigid dawn, but that sounds too good to be true.
"Everybody says that," says Appel. He is a tall, affable entrepreneur who has assembled a team of scientists, former government leaders, and deep-pocketed investors to develop and sell what he calls the thermal depolymerization process, or TDP. The process is designed to handle almost any waste product imaginable, including turkey offal, tires, plastic bottles, harbor-dredged muck, old computers, municipal garbage, cornstalks, paper-pulp effluent, infectious medical waste, oil-refinery residues, even biological weapons such as anthrax spores. According to Appel, waste goes in one end and comes out the other as three products, all valuable and environmentally benign: high-quality oil, clean-burning gas, and purified minerals that can be used as fuels, fertilizers, or specialty chemicals for manufacturing.



Why not? Everything has basic elements, if we can just break things down to its elements than even the most dangerous stuff on earth are harmless.


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1486921 - 04/23/03 07:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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If a 175-pound man fell into one end, he would come out the other end as 38 pounds of oil, 7 pounds of gas, and 7 pounds of minerals, as well as 123 pounds of sterilized water



This is how I want to go.


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1487047 - 04/23/03 07:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

LOL!

"Mobil Soylent is made out of people.......!!!"


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: wingnutx]
    #1487103 - 04/23/03 07:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, I really cant decide how I feel about this. Now if we could only find a way to use it to where it doesnt pollute....


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1487370 - 04/23/03 10:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

How does it pollute now?


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1487528 - 04/23/03 11:07 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Did you read the whole article? I will repeat some thoughts I expressed in the Science & Technology Forum...

A point that the article makes apparent is that widespread adoption of this technology and abandonment of fossil fuels could eliminate the need for any control on CO2 emissions as we would actually be recycling the CO2. Additionally, this technology could greatly reduce problems of waste disposal as it can use many forms of waste as raw materials.

As far as the oil produced by the process, by controlling the raw materials used it should also be easier to produce low sulfer oil which in turn will help to reduce emissions of sulfur compounds. Incomplete combustion of hydrocarbons and the production of NOx would remain problems that should continue to be addressed. Perhaps advancements in fuel cell technology will address these issues better than currently used technologies.

This is not a panacea, but a very big step in the right direction. There is always room for improvement.


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: wingnutx]
    #1488513 - 04/24/03 08:06 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks wingnutx!

This is the coolest thing i've ever read.

This could revolutionize our planet. I've been e-mailing it to people.



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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: wingnutx]
    #1488788 - 04/24/03 11:04 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I can only imagine the benefit to taxpayers if that technology is able to be widely implemented.

New York produces 100's of millions of tonnes of waster each year. If that waste could be turned into fuel then the taxpayers should benefit by lower taxes created by the sale of the fuel.

(I know, lower taxes is wishful thinking... once a tax in implemented it's pretty much permanent)

If the technology is truly what they say it is their IPO should be hot  :wink: 


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: grib]
    #1488933 - 04/24/03 12:03 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

damn Leary as big of a tree hugger as you are I figured you were the one doing the interview in this article. just kiddin. you are kind of a hippy though. this is freakin cool though, think about it waste almost being a thing of the past. no more condoms filling up the landfills this could in reality change the world. It will be like the Delorean in back to the future where the car runs on trash. The good- cheap oil and saving landfills. The bad- less dependance on foriegn oil meaning the middle east will like us even less. man and to think we wasted all that $ bombing the shit outta Iraq for their oil, what a waste. i was kiddin bout that too.


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: Evolving]
    #1489024 - 04/24/03 12:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

So the Co2 is recylced? I m a little confused, if you use this oil to make gasoline for a car, do you need new components put in whatever uses the oil or gas to recycle the Co2?


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: wingnutx]
    #1489026 - 04/24/03 12:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

What would happen if you put hemp seed in it?


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1489130 - 04/24/03 01:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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So the Co2 is recylced? I m a little confused, if you use this oil to make gasoline for a car, do you need new components put in whatever uses the oil or gas to recycle the Co2?



Perhaps recycled isn't the proper term but I'm at a loss for a better one. Currently, by using fossil fuels we are increasing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. However, if we were to use renewable resources such as vegetation and animal waste there will be no net gain of CO2 in the atmosphere. Plants take in CO2 H2O and sunlight to create more complex molecules, plants are either used directly and/or the waste products of their digestion are used as raw materials for this system. The resulting oil is burned producing CO2 and water vapor (assuming complete combustion - higher temperature combustion will produce NOx as well). These (CO2 & H2O) will in turn be used by various life forms on the planet.

** edit ** The main point is that worries about increased atmospheric CO2 causing global warming could become a relic of the past, merely a point for academic debate instead of a conflict between economic realities and unproven scientific theory.


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: Buddha5254]
    #1489141 - 04/24/03 01:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Probably not sure its kinda confusing but its still cool as a mofo. Maybe this is how the matrix start with the recycling of bodies human and animal. Is this a privately held company because my ass is buying a shitload of their stock if its a publically traded company? Think about it people pay them to dump their junk in those vats then the end product is the most highly traded commodity? It would be like getting in on the ground floor on Microshaft uh soft shares. YIPPPPIIEEE my ass would be sitting in Belize by the time Im 40. Kick ass!


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: Meat_Log_Smurf]
    #1489158 - 04/24/03 01:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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It will be like the Delorean in
back to the future where the car runs on trash.




Exactly what I was thinking bra.



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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: Learyfan]
    #1489311 - 04/24/03 02:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

As much as this is a cool idea, who thinks that the OPEC nations and traditional oil companies (Bush himself could have a lot to lose here) are going to just roll over and accept this?
A diesel engine (for example) will run on purified vegetable oil amongst other things, and it was originally designed to run on alternative fuels like that anyway, but it was decided for economic reasons that petroleum should be used instead. Considering that the Iraqi oilfields are now being 'liberated', there's another steady supply of the black stuff. I can imagine that a lot of the people involved in big business would love to see this die.

I'd love to see this work, but it may have a lot of opposition.


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1489545 - 04/24/03 03:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

except for spent radioactive materials- plutonium and such


i heard about this a while ago, it's a very impressive application of technology that already existed..


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    #1489594 - 04/24/03 03:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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it's a very impressive application of technology that already existed..



That would explain the patents.


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Re: A system for turning just about anything into oil [Re: Edame]
    #1489622 - 04/24/03 03:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It seems like there would be a lot of opposition to this as well, but on the other hand, the article says that the government gave them 12 million dollars.

Why would they do that?



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