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#14855734 - 08/01/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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An oxymorphone nasal spray is reportedly in development, along with a possible hydromorphone nasal spray...
That sounds highly abusable 
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#14855788 - 08/01/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can make your own, but I don't recommend it if you don't know what your doing, you can easily kill yourself.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: Caine]
#14855793 - 08/01/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wish the opium poppy and all opiates never even existed.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: s240779]
#14855798 - 08/01/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why is that? Can't control you're use?
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superhigh said:
I wish the opium poppy and all opiates never even existed.
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love2shpongleIRL said:
Why is that? Can't control you're use?
I think we can all agree that it created more bad than good.
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Why is that? Can't control you're use?
BINGO!lol 
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: Patlal] 2
#14855807 - 08/01/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
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superhigh said:
I wish the opium poppy and all opiates never even existed.
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love2shpongleIRL said:
Why is that? Can't control you're use?
I think we can all agree that it created more bad than good.
I think that we can all agree that you're wrong.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: Caine]
#14855810 - 08/01/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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There's a fentanyl nasal spray that just got approved.
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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: badchad]
#14855819 - 08/01/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The buccal bioavalibilty of fentanyl is way less than the transdermal application. Makes sense if it's for breakthrough pain though.
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Why is that? Can't control you're use?
No, but thanks to lack of availability and lack of money, I've never delved into opiate addiction.
Mood boosting drugs are more-than-notorious for making people addicts, or at least emptying bank accounts. I'm so glad I renewed my interest in hallucinogens. Hallucingens pwn. Need a mood boost, smoke good quality weed and be happy with that.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: s240779] 1
#14855840 - 08/01/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Different strokes, I have used opiates once a week( with 5-6 month long breaks thrown in) for the past five years with no issue's.
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Different strokes, I have used opiates once a week( with 5-6 month long breaks thrown in) for the past five years with no issue's.
But in the scope of humanity, for everyone who's like you, there's gonna be four people who get addicted.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: s240779]
#14855863 - 08/01/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Perhaps that is the case, I would like to think people are more responsible than that but who knows. I think we can significantly lower those figures with proper education. Problem with opiates is that they can be insidious, you try to rationalize use when it is inappropriate and could cause damage to yourself. If you are aware of this and don't cross your own boundaries for any reason, it makes it much easier to handle IMO.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: Caine]
#14855879 - 08/01/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I recently tried to use low doses of heroin to cope with the long shifts at my new job. It worked well, but when I wasn't working and I was bored, I used the heroin as well, going through my supply despite the knowledge that I would be working a 12 hour shift not only with no "medication" but with mild withdrawel. And despite that knowledge I couldn't stop myself from abusing it. I got down to like two bags, and I was like, "OK, that's enough to keep me covered on the job until I go into the city to get more." And guess what? I ended up using those two bags before my next shift and when did have to work I was miserable.
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love2shpongleIRL said:
Perhaps that is the case, I would like to think people are more responsible than that but who knows.
Unfortunately that's not the case, there'd be a lot less illegal drugs if people were actually responsible.
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love2shpongleIRL said:
I think we can significantly lower those figures with proper education. Problem with opiates is that they can be insidious, you try to rationalize use when it is inappropriate and could cause damage to yourself. If you are aware of this and don't cross your own boundaries for any reason, it makes it much easier to handle IMO.
Educated people still rationalize to satisfy their cravings.
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It's not the drugs' fault.
Humans are their own problem.
Drug problems are created by people, not by plants.
Besides, I look at drug addiction like natural selection. You know, that thing Darwin talked about? Survival of the fittest?
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: s240779]
#14856099 - 08/01/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wish the opium poppy and all opiates never even existed.
I wish guns never existed cause those are bad, and um your hands can do terrible things, I wish those fuckers never existed, and ahh, heavy objects cause those things tend to crush people I hate those damn things. etc...
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: s240779]
#14856100 - 08/01/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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 Never had that issue, regardless of the opiate or route of administration.
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Perhaps I am blinded by my own perspective here, I feel that if I could do it, so could the majority.
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I think that there are not as many opiate addicts as everyone thinks. There are , however many that are addicted to coffee, cigarettes, and beer. Products like the one mentioned rarely become a problem, primarily because Doctors wont prescribe them.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: snoot]
#14856125 - 08/01/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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People get sooo angry at opiates because their friends/family are irresponsible and can't handle using drugs.
Can't use drugs responsibly? Don't do drugs. It's that simple.
Either that or use them irresponsibly and die. That's what free will is all about, choosing your own path.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: propensity]
#14856275 - 08/01/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Opiates are an absolute godsend in the medical world. They are also an awesome recreational substance in careful moderation. Superhigh, you can't blame a molecule for existing. It didn't hurt you, you hurt yourself. You are the sole reason for your troubles with opiates.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: Jeebies]
#14856312 - 08/01/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not the drugs' fault.
Humans are their own problem.
Drug problems are created by people, not by plants.
Besides, I look at drug addiction like natural selection. You know, that thing Darwin talked about? Survival of the fittest?
Its funny when I see posts like this.
Everybody here blames society for all the shit that is going on in the world, But when it comes to drugs, its YOUR problem dammit, not societies! Drugs are harmless and should be legal!
No offense to your post Jeebies, its something I notice everywhere on this website.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: Patlal]
#14856357 - 08/01/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
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It's not the drugs' fault.
Humans are their own problem.
Drug problems are created by people, not by plants.
Besides, I look at drug addiction like natural selection. You know, that thing Darwin talked about? Survival of the fittest?
Its funny when I see posts like this.
Everybody here blames society for all the shit that is going on in the world, But when it comes to drugs, its YOUR problem dammit, not societies! Drugs are harmless and should be legal!
No offense to your post Jeebies, its something I notice everywhere on this website.
Saying it's society is cop out. "Oh I'm addicted to pillz, it's society's fault." That's nearly as annoying as when someone says they can't quit 'cause they have addiction. "Wahhhh I have a disease." The less excuses we hand an addict the better, you gotta bitchslap them with some hard truths. This is a problem that shouldn't be credited to society, even if pop culture makes drugs seem fun and harmless, because then no one will take responsibility for being a  .
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I fucking loathe the "addiction is a disease" sentiment in todays society. Take some fucking responsiblity for yourself for christ sakes.
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if opiates were legally and freely available, addiction wouldnt be a problem. Youd have a small percentage of folks addicted and laying about, but you'd relieve society of all the burdens of it being illegal, no shady back ally deals no robberies to feed addiction, etc.. etc.. not to mention pure and controlled amounts where people wouldnt die from not knowing what they are dealing with, not to mention greedy people cutting things with dangerous substances.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: snoot]
#14856394 - 08/01/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: Patlal] 1
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Patlal said:
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It's not the drugs' fault.
Humans are their own problem.
Drug problems are created by people, not by plants.
Besides, I look at drug addiction like natural selection. You know, that thing Darwin talked about? Survival of the fittest?
Its funny when I see posts like this.
Everybody here blames society for all the shit that is going on in the world, But when it comes to drugs, its YOUR problem dammit, not societies! Drugs are harmless and should be legal!
No offense to your post Jeebies, its something I notice everywhere on this website.
I hate you and the people like you who think other people should be making decisions for me. I can choose my own path and face the consequences. I'm not a coward who needs a nanny state to make sure I don't kill myself.
Ben Franklin would slap you in the face, freedom-hater
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: propensity]
#14856463 - 08/01/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why are people so against freedom? It's something to embrace not be fearful of.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: Patlal]
#14856561 - 08/01/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think you misunderstand me.
I'm saying that the responsibility lies with the individual. Obviously.
Society has it's own problems, but those problems are based on the decisions of many INDIVIDUALS.
It's all about accountability, and people not being able to take any.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: Jeebies]
#14856628 - 08/01/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was talkin about patlal brah
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: Jeebies]
#14856634 - 08/01/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think you misunderstand me.
I'm saying that the responsibility lies with the individual. Obviously.
Society has it's own problems, but those problems are based on the decisions of many INDIVIDUALS.
It's all about accountability, and people not being able to take any.
I know what you meant. Perhaps my comment should of been said in a separate thread.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: Patlal]
#14856648 - 08/01/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also, Propensity. I'm not against freedom. Even if drugs are illegal you still have the freedom of taking them. Perhaps what you meant to say is that you don't want to be punished for taking them.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: Patlal]
#14856831 - 08/01/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol wtf are you talking about
You're crazy, man
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: propensity]
#14856845 - 08/01/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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sounds fun. i dont know hoe available there gana be though.
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Re: Oxymorphone nasal spray [Re: Patlal]
#14856856 - 08/01/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also, Propensity. I'm not against freedom. Even if drugs are illegal you still have the freedom of taking them. Perhaps what you meant to say is that you don't want to be punished for taking them.
you dont have the 'freedom' to take them, you have the freedom to acquire them illegally. People who will do drugs will do them regardless of legalities. Its like those who says 'if pot is legal, do you really want people driving around stoned? or coming to work stoned? etc..' that logic makes no sense.
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