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A profound new way in which I view existance.....Spiritually * 2
    #14854157 - 07/31/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Let me first start out by saying that I have never really had religion, nor do I now. However I feel I have a better understanding.

Like in the words of Jordan Maxwell;
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I don't know what God is, but I know what he isn't





I went on a vision quest Friday night and consumed about six grams of cubensis and lied down in a comfortable position and let my mind and soul turn inward. I was relaxed and as the medicine started to flow through my soul I experienced many layers of levels, feelings, and tearing apart of my soul. After about 3 hours I finally reached a break through stage where I felt the fabric of space and time rip apart and I was part of everything which was a vast energy of one.

At this time a super awareness kicked in. I was no longer afraid and was filled with such a feeling of belonging, and being able to understand so much.



I saw that everything in the physical realm was not real, but just an illusion. All created by an imaginative thought process by part of myself, within myself, but to which I was kept unaware of.

I understood that there was no physical states at all anywhere, it was just all holographic illusion.

Next my mind became flooded with images and moments of everyone that I had ever encountered. I was able to see the world through their eyes. I was able to feel what it was like to live behind their eyes, and perceive the world from inside them.
I understood that, like looking into a mirror, that everyone in existence is the same entity.



Like a piece of paper folded back upon itself, we are simply looking at ourselves in different bodies.



I then saw that the entire illusion called life was just a never ending series  paradoxes. Everything was a paradox. Just something like a game where they players are faced always with a choice, whereby each choice just led to another saga of choices.



How the individuals made his choices would lead to different experiences. No actual choice were really wrong, just led to different experiences in this construct maze.
The goal of existence in this illusion seemed to be loving others.

The irony was that all the individual were the same entity, just with a different appearance and character. Each entity being totally in a state of unawareness as to their ability to make this connection.

I saw the planet spinning in space with the sun in the distance and I viewed a great span of the universe and then seen that it all just an illusion inside the energy of this vast single entity to which I was as well.


I laughed as I clued in why so many things about the universe can't be explained. It's all an illusion. Not once before did I ever make the connection and say, what the heck are we doing in the middle of nowhere spinning on a ball floating in a sea of empty space which does not make sense.


As I was moved back into the physical realm which is here and now, I felt a deceleration and I could feel both the huge weight of what we know as gravity and the most lonesome feeling coming into my soul. I didn't want to come back. Next in the clarity of those following moments I understood that there was much still to accomplish in order to navigate though this game easier and reach hopefully my intended goal.

For the first time in my life I was able to feel as if i tore apart the fabric of this illusion (space, time and matter) and was able to look back at myself.


It's very difficult to try and convey all the insights that I have inside as a result of my vision quest the other night. Much of what I was exposed to has faded from my thoughts.
One thing that I do remember that is strong is that every thing in the entire universe and beyond, I love you with all my soul because I am you.

What an interesting perspective to see. Has definitely changed the way I view existence. There is no death, only just transitions of dreams all occurring simultaneously in a oneness of energy.


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Re: A profound new way in which I view existance.....Spiritually [Re: Vitalux]
    #14854179 - 07/31/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

sounds like some awesome realizations/experiences. i like the theme of us all being the same entity - this reminds me of my first spiritual mushroom trip where i experienced ego death and merged with infinity bliss and energy and went through a process of realizing every person place and thing was really myself in disguise. i love these kinds of trips, even just hearing about others' trips, it's so good :laugh:

the question is... what are you going to do now as a result of this trip? :sun: loving everything seems to be a good idea :thumbup:


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Re: A profound new way in which I view existance.....Spiritually [Re: Vitalux]
    #14854934 - 08/01/11 03:55 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

great post dude but don't get caught up with trying to have that feeling all the time... its not manageable and is surely not healthy.


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let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: A profound new way in which I view existance.....Spiritually [Re: blingbling]
    #14855032 - 08/01/11 05:11 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

An really deep enlighteneing trip!
Some reflections~~this is why the most ignoreant, senseless, insane thing we can do is war against others, because we are basically harming and killing ourselves, as you see. And this stretches to all other species and Mother Earth which are also ourselves

I would also like to earth your experience (hope you dont mind me putting it like that?), but a danger that can come from the insight that 'reality is illusory' is to imagine that there is something more 'real-er' behind it.
I am sure you are familiar with advaita vedanta which has the belief that we are all 'One' and that reality is 'Maya' which mean illusion? Well as visionary experience this is deeply healing because it gives forth the feeling of magical interrelationship with all reality. But when it becomes literalized, and abstracted it can create belief systems like the caste system in India where the 'many' are seen as less important than the 'One' which only the 'holy men/gurus' are closer to--and with this belief comes belief of karma and how some people are better because they are understanding this abstracted (now) 'One', and others deserve lives of misery cause they are 'working out their karma'.

So to earth your vision, I would encourage the Goddess perspective which also holds sacred the physical reality of nature, diversity, and bodies, and understandings that politics is not separate from spirituality--which some New Agers who go on about 'all is one' and 'reality is illusion' and 'you create your own reality' promote the idea that they are. Ie., they do not encourage political activism.

In that respect the 'coming down' from such deep all-at-once experience means that here, in all its bodies organi odour, and strange varying changes of feelings, moods, and earthyness, and moods, and feelings os alienation somethimes, is not lesser than, but in deep continuum with what you experienced.

I love it where you see love as the ultimate goal, and love is empathy.

I hope you write all your experience down in a beautiful bound journal? I think this is really important for integration, and drawing and painting your experiences.


Edited by zzripz (08/01/11 05:17 AM)


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Re: A profound new way in which I view existance.....Spiritually [Re: Vitalux]
    #14855077 - 08/01/11 05:56 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like a fun trip. I've had my share.  In the end I personally couldn't draw any conclusions about what my brain knew to be true and what it just felt was true.  I certainly know my brain is capable of being incorrect about things so I leave off any final conclusions about existence.  It would be fine with me if that was all true however. :thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: A profound new way in which I view existance.....Spiritually [Re: Vitalux]
    #14855082 - 08/01/11 05:57 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Had the same thing happen to me a couple years back.
Now i no longer muse myself with questions.
What is.. why is...
does it matter ?

i just don't know man.
as soon as the mind starts debating itself, i just cut it off.


ahh

so many things i want.
so many things i don't have.
so many things i'd like to know but don't.


in the end.. its all just a dabble with the rabble rabble rabble.


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..


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Re: A profound new way in which I view existance.....Spiritually [Re: jivJaN]
    #14856684 - 08/01/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Nice. A lot of my trips unfold in a similar manner, with insights, paradoxes, love, a little confusion, a little understanding, some giggling, and some crying. [See? We just related in this game]

Tripping is one of the most beautiful and natural human events in this world.


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Re: A profound new way in which I view existance.....Spiritually [Re: deff]
    #14858776 - 08/01/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Amazing trip report, and I mean well and truly amazing; in fact it's probably the best one I've read even having mercilessly trawled through Erowid. This is the classical mystical union peak experience and like deff I can relate so well, just reading your recollection of it brings me right back there. I especially love the way you describe the holographic nature of ourselves, the nature of everything as a continuous paradox.


Now you're probably going to be glowing pretty damn fucking hard from this experience but it will fade in time, even if you think it won't. And you will soon be back to the hum drum of daily life although it will now have a kind of clarity that cannot be removed, only obscured by your delusions, a clarity that always was there.


And yes, what are you going to do now? Now that you know these "secrets", the test of life increases in difficulty exponentially - every time you do something evil you are doing it with conscious knowledge of the true nature of that evil!


I would especially strongly think through zzripz and blingbling's advice, god knows I was told the same but I chose to learn it the hard way.


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific


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Re: A profound new way in which I view existance.....Spiritually [Re: crkhd]
    #14864189 - 08/02/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

zzripz said:
An really deep enlighteneing trip!
Some reflections~~this is why the most ignoreant, senseless, insane thing we can do is war against others, because we are basically harming and killing ourselves, as you see. And this stretches to all other species and Mother Earth which are also ourselves

I would also like to earth your experience (hope you dont mind me putting it like that?), but a danger that can come from the insight that 'reality is illusory' is to imagine that there is something more 'real-er' behind it.
I am sure you are familiar with advaita vedanta which has the belief that we are all 'One' and that reality is 'Maya' which mean illusion? Well as visionary experience this is deeply healing because it gives forth the feeling of magical interrelationship with all reality. But when it becomes literalized, and abstracted it can create belief systems like the caste system in India where the 'many' are seen as less important than the 'One' which only the 'holy men/gurus' are closer to--and with this belief comes belief of karma and how some people are better because they are understanding this abstracted (now) 'One', and others deserve lives of misery cause they are 'working out their karma'.

So to earth your vision, I would encourage the Goddess perspective which also holds sacred the physical reality of nature, diversity, and bodies, and understandings that politics is not separate from spirituality--which some New Agers who go on about 'all is one' and 'reality is illusion' and 'you create your own reality' promote the idea that they are. Ie., they do not encourage political activism.

In that respect the 'coming down' from such deep all-at-once experience means that here, in all its bodies organi odour, and strange varying changes of feelings, moods, and earthyness, and moods, and feelings os alienation somethimes, is not lesser than, but in deep continuum with what you experienced.

I love it where you see love as the ultimate goal, and love is empathy.

I hope you write all your experience down in a beautiful bound journal? I think this is really important for integration, and drawing and painting your experiences.



Quote:

crkhd said:
Amazing trip report, and I mean well and truly amazing; in fact it's probably the best one I've read even having mercilessly trawled through Erowid. This is the classical mystical union peak experience and like deff I can relate so well, just reading your recollection of it brings me right back there. I especially love the way you describe the holographic nature of ourselves, the nature of everything as a continuous paradox.


Now you're probably going to be glowing pretty damn fucking hard from this experience but it will fade in time, even if you think it won't. And you will soon be back to the hum drum of daily life although it will now have a kind of clarity that cannot be removed, only obscured by your delusions, a clarity that always was there.


And yes, what are you going to do now? Now that you know these "secrets", the test of life increases in difficulty exponentially - every time you do something evil you are doing it with conscious knowledge of the true nature of that evil!


I would especially strongly think through zzripz and blingbling's advice, god knows I was told the same but I chose to learn it the hard way.





Actually ....I am still trying to sort though the experience and have really needed just to take a few days to ground myself. I really am just still digesting it. It was a very humbling experience. Now I understand fully what is meant by ego loss.

I seem to be aware that the information seems to flow at us at a rate that our minds, if open, is able to absorb it.
Our fears definitely stand in the say of our development, and there seems to definitely be outside social influences that make sure we are conditioned to view the state of fear as normality.
Takes time to understand and sort out ones fears.

The vision quest in some ways, scared the hell out of me. I wondered how much my mind could take, because part of me wanted to reason, is this vision real or an illusion. ....another paradoxical situation.

I will come back and write more, in the end, I seem to have understood that ....everyone and everything in the universe is the same entity.

Its just taking time to understand all this, and adapt a new outlook.

thanks for listing and the feedback ....

Love you all.


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