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Offlinesmurf_master
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Reporting a stolen gun
    #14826974 - 07/26/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

In a hypothetical situation what would stop someone from buying a gun, then "losing" it, and using it in a murder years later.


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Re: Reporting a stolen gun [Re: smurf_master]
    #14826985 - 07/26/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You would be the first suspect when they traced it back to you.


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Re: Reporting a stolen gun [Re: AlmostAsCoolAs]
    #14826990 - 07/26/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If it was "stolen" years ago, you would be off the hook though.


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Re: Reporting a stolen gun [Re: sixbluntsdeep]
    #14826994 - 07/26/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

who did you kill?


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Re: Reporting a stolen gun [Re: SleepyE]
    #14827014 - 07/26/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If i hear about a murder a few years from now with a stolen gun, i'll know exactly who did it!


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Re: Reporting a stolen gun [Re: That Cenex Guy] * 3
    #14827100 - 07/26/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Chain of custody will be evidence against you. It works like this (from my perspective as a gun seller):

FBI calls me up with a make, model and serial number for a gun. I go through my files to the time the gun was reported sold, and I pull the form you filled out when you bought your gun. Let's say it's a Ruger 9mm. I give that over to the police, they now have proof that you bought this gun, it was purchased in your name. In some states, it actually gets registered in your name, so that makes the search easier. (Contrary to popular belief, most states don't register firearms, the sale is logged after a background check and then it is pretty much forgotten about.)

The FBI takes that sheet and hands it over to local LEOs who use it to begin figuring out who had that gun first. Usually, they work from both ends, the person who originally bought the gun and the person who was last known to own the gun. So they come ask you "what happened to this gun?" You say it was stolen shortly after you bought it, and they log that it was stolen.

However, tons of guns that are acquired illegally are still able to be sold in a legal fashion. In plenty of states, private transfer of firearms is legal, which means you might have sold it to a random dude at a gun show, or to a relative, and no paperwork was ever required to be filed. You might have pawned it, in which case all they did was confirm that the gun had a serial number before they gave you cash for it. It's super rare to have a gun around that doesn't have any traceable chain of custody at all. Usually, the gun pops up here and there, especially since the nature of criminals who use guns is to ditch a weapon once it has been used in a murder. Sometimes it surfaces in the civilian world, and there's usually a record.

Your better bet is to find an old gun from a guy at a gun show (private sale and all that) and then report THAT stolen, then commit a murder with it. There's no official record of you purchasing the gun, unless the gun was used in a crime before (unlikely, as those guns are typically seized and destroyed) there's no ballistics records linking back to that gun. Once you've committed your murder, you ditch the gun and pretend you never touched it in your life. If your smart, you disassemble it into tiny pieces and spread them waaaaaaaaaay the hell out.

This scenario isn't possible in every state, due to constraints of local law, but in most states, and indeed by federal regulations, everything I've described here aside from the obvious (murder, theft, lying to police) is completely legal by the letter of the law.


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Re: Reporting a stolen gun [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14827185 - 07/26/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

What an educational post.
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Re: Reporting a stolen gun [Re: CarnivalBarker]
    #14828432 - 07/26/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Agreed. Thanks you guys.


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Re: Reporting a stolen gun [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14828572 - 07/26/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

guywiththegun said:
Your better bet is to find an old gun from a guy at a gun show (private sale and all that) and then report THAT stolen





except that he reported it stolen and the make, model, caliber and serial
number are on file with the local PD, all guns that pass through their hands
end up going through the list of serial numbers reported stolen as well. you
report it stolen, your ex wife is killed and immediately you're suspect #1
and going to jail for murder if the gun was recovered and you'd ever owned it

best bet, dont murder anyone


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Re: Reporting a stolen gun [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14847795 - 07/30/11 09:25 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You never kill anyone that you know on a personal basis that's just asking for trouble.


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Re: Reporting a stolen gun [Re: smurf_master]
    #14847802 - 07/30/11 09:27 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I never kill anyone unless the pose an grave and eminent danger to myself or others around me

I believe we all have a right to live until the point we cross that line


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Re: Reporting a stolen gun [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14847857 - 07/30/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

guywiththegun: thanks for the info.  +5! (which, as it turns out, brings you from 4 shroom average up to 5! yay!)


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Re: Reporting a stolen gun [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14847910 - 07/30/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

guywiththegun said:
Your better bet is to find an old gun from a guy at a gun show (private sale and all that) and then report THAT stolen





except that he reported it stolen and the make, model, caliber and serial
number are on file with the local PD, all guns that pass through their hands
end up going through the list of serial numbers reported stolen as well. you
report it stolen, your ex wife is killed and immediately you're suspect #1
and going to jail for murder if the gun was recovered and you'd ever owned it

best bet, dont murder anyone




Yeah, honestly I must have gotten too high just before I wrote that....what I meant to say is buy a gun, then just keep it for a while. If someone asks, tell them it was stolen and it was so cheap you didn't feel like reporting it stolen. Or, you didn't have the serial number handy and it wouldn't have been pertinent anyways.

Another tip: do this with a shotgun, not a weapon with a rifled barrel. According to a police officer I used to work with at my old gun shop job, shotguns can't be traced with ballistic forensics.

But seriously, don't murder people. I'm not advocating that at all.


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Re: Reporting a stolen gun [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14847928 - 07/30/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
best bet, dont murder anyone




That's pussy talk, boy


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Re: Reporting a stolen gun [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14847968 - 07/30/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

guywiththegun said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

guywiththegun said:
Your better bet is to find an old gun from a guy at a gun show (private sale and all that) and then report THAT stolen





except that he reported it stolen and the make, model, caliber and serial
number are on file with the local PD, all guns that pass through their hands
end up going through the list of serial numbers reported stolen as well. you
report it stolen, your ex wife is killed and immediately you're suspect #1
and going to jail for murder if the gun was recovered and you'd ever owned it

best bet, dont murder anyone




Yeah, honestly I must have gotten too high just before I wrote that....what I meant to say is buy a gun, then just keep it for a while. If someone asks, tell them it was stolen and it was so cheap you didn't feel like reporting it stolen. Or, you didn't have the serial number handy and it wouldn't have been pertinent anyways.




it was an informative post so I'm sure youd be forgiven but buying from an
individual is a better choice since there's no paperwork and no need to
report stolen something you'd never owned



Quote:

But seriously, don't murder people.




much better post


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Re: Reporting a stolen gun [Re: Brugman]
    #14847975 - 07/30/11 10:11 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Brugman said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
best bet, dont murder anyone




That's pussy talk, boy





I'm too conservative to believe in senseless killing, if the liberals,
progressive liberals or canadians ever manage to convert me to their
cult all that could change



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