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Offlinef8L
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    #1484370 - 04/22/03 09:33 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #1485323 - 04/23/03 06:08 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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4. When you say that you need twice as much straw as poo does that mean by mass or by volume?
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NOOOO.. You don't need twice as much straw as poo.. It's 50/50! That means 50% Straw and 50% Poo.. (remember: the Poo is actually the 'Miracle Grow for Vegatables')

OK, exactly what is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting poo is the same as Miracle grow? I always thought it was a nice word for 'shit' but what do I know.


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: distortion]
    #1485372 - 04/23/03 07:11 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

i think he means its the substitute for now. Thanks for the tek f8l *bookmakrs it* ...


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: dr4g0n]
    #1485385 - 04/23/03 07:35 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

thanks man


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #1485405 - 04/23/03 07:52 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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1) For this tek we are working with 6 jars.

Get a hammer and nail or drill and put an eraser sized hole in the middle of the lids. Fill this hole with the polyfill. This will allow air exchange and the polyfill prevents harmful bacteria from entering. Put another hole on the inner rim, about 1/4" from the edge, this is where you inject the spores into the jar. Put a piece of electrical tape over the inner rim you have just created. For this experiment we use 6, but you can use more if you choose.






For the second hold, you didn't say how big of a hole... I would read this as make another eraser sized hole.

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #1485408 - 04/23/03 07:55 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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5) After the pressure cooker has finished, there's no need to open it. Let it cool for 4-5 hours or until the jars are no longer warm to the touch. If the jars are still warm and you inject the spores, the spores might die.





If this is truley a tek for newbies... you may want to tell them to release the pressure before waiting for it to cool... Or they could be waiting a while.

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: Funger]
    #1485454 - 04/23/03 08:32 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Also mention about rinsing and draining the grain after the soak..

also same applies to squeezing the shit out of the poop.. gotta get that water content right!!!


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    #1485493 - 04/23/03 08:49 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: PJDIDDLE]
    #1485719 - 04/23/03 10:26 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

On step 1 it says:
Get a hammer and nail or drill and put an eraser sized hole in the middle of the lids. Fill this hole with the polyfill. This will allow air exchange and the polyfill prevents harmful bacteria from entering. Put another hole on the inner rim, about 1/4" from the edge, this is where you inject the spores into the jar. Put a piece of electrical tape over the inner rim you have just created. For this experiment we use 6, but you can use more if you choose.

what is the inner rim I have just created, this is confusing to me. Maybe you meant, the hole on the inner rim I've just created.

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #1486257 - 04/23/03 01:28 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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- 1 Pressure Cooker (big one you need sells for $40 and can hold at least 2 quart jars inside)




A friend used an 8qt PC which he bought for $40 and it is not quite tall enough to hold a single QT jar unless the rack is removed which i dont think is advisable, it MIRRO btw...just a heads up.


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: apuffball]
    #1486300 - 04/23/03 01:38 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

sure it's advisable. just stick a folded teatowel on the bottom instead! :grin:


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: shirley knott]
    #1486316 - 04/23/03 01:42 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

the jar will still be pressed against the bottom of the PC and the lid will touch the PC cover... DO NOT BLOCK THE VENT PIPE ON THE PC.. and you should have a gap below the jar as well.


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: PooPs]
    #1486343 - 04/23/03 01:47 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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DO NOT BLOCK THE VENT PIPE ON THE PC.. and you should have a gap below the jar as well. 



true, true. my mini Argos Tower brand pc (?26) holds 3 'quart' jars - 950g jars from olives, actually - but only without the metal rack. a double folded teatowel, 2 inches of water, and i'm always sure to check the vent sits over a gap between jars. works very well!

do not underestimate the importance of keeping that vent free - ask Moe why! :blush: 


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: shirley knott]
    #1486361 - 04/23/03 01:51 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

maybe add a comment like " if your PC is too small to acmodate quarts, use 500ml's, they will do just fine... "

and when you fill your jars.. not more than 2/3 full. leave room to shake them later in the cycle.. as the grain will expand when you PC it.


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: PooPs]
    #1487326 - 04/23/03 07:38 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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4. When you say that you need twice as much straw as poo does that mean by mass or by volume?
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NOOOO.. You don't need twice as much straw as poo.. It's 50/50! That means 50% Straw and 50% Poo.. (remember: the Poo is actually the 'Miracle Grow for Vegatables')

OK, exactly what is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting poo is the same as Miracle grow? I always thought it was a nice word for 'shit' but what do I know.




The word 'poo' is used interchangably with the 'Miracle Grow for Vegatables' - I'll make sure to make that more clear.

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For the second hold, you didn't say how big of a hole... I would read this as make another eraser sized hole.



Good point, noted.

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If this is truley a tek for newbies... you may want to tell them to release the pressure before waiting for it to cool... Or they could be waiting a while.



I said its a tek for 'newbies' - not 'stupid people who don't know how to read the directions of their pressure cooker'

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Also mention about rinsing and draining the grain after the soak..

also same applies to squeezing the shit out of the poop.. gotta get that water content right!!!



The grain really doesn't need to be rinsed (although yes, it should be drained (ill note that)... Water content isn't really all that important. You squeeze it till no more drops of water come out ;] (noted as well)

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if your PC is too small to acmodate quarts, use 500ml's, they will do just fine... "




Blah. Everyone should use quart jars, so much easier. If your pressure cooker is too small, go to Walmart, buy one huge ass mofo pressure cooker, use it for as long as you need it, then return it. (just a thought)

Any other comments? Keep em coming!






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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #1487618 - 04/23/03 09:41 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Pic taken using this method:



More pics to follow.

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #1488885 - 04/24/03 09:44 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for posting the tek f8l, I'm going to attempt it since the shit that I got from a farmer got soaked last night after I left it out to dry and forgot its going to rain.

How big of pieces should the straw be cut into?

If I'm using four 1/2 quart jars (partially spent) instead of 3 quart jars would I still be succesful? I'd just use a couple less layers.

What yield do you expect to get out of this, and does it have numerous flushes or just 1 big one?

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: Bangvan]
    #1489139 - 04/24/03 11:25 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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How big of pieces should the straw be cut into?



You can get precut straw from "Michaels" or other art supply stores.

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If I'm using four 1/2 quart jars (partially spent) instead of 3 quart jars would I still be succesful? I'd just use a couple less layers.



I suppose, but why? You are going to get bigger yields with quart jars, more substrate = bigger shrooms




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What yield do you expect to get out of this, and does it have numerous flushes or just 1 big one?



The yield depends. If you are only using a few 1/2 quart jars you probably aren't going to get a big yield. If you follow the tek and use a few quart jars in each rubbermade (I recommend 2 rubbermade containers in case 1 contams), then you will probably get something around 60+ dry grams. Also, most people using this tek usually get a huge first flush and extremely small flushes thereafter.
Good luck.

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #1489242 - 04/24/03 11:56 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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Maintain a 160 degree to 180 degree temperature for 1 hour 20 minutes. If you don't have a temperature gauge, simply by adding more boiling water every 20 minutes
you should maintain the temperature.

I think that this is to long for pastuerisation, about half that time would be better (40 minutes) and a thermometer is going to be essential to maintain the correct temprature, otherwise they could easily end up boiling it.

Just my thoughts



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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: Pantherina]
    #1489361 - 04/24/03 12:26 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Does the water content of your poo and straw matter that much? How wet should it be. Will this directly effect how fast or if the substrate colonizes?

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #1489609 - 04/24/03 01:23 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for the tek man, it really clears up a lot of questions i've had.
one that i still have though is...
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The word 'poo' is used interchangably with the 'Miracle Grow for Vegatables'



is the 'Miracle grow for Vegetables' just packaged composted manure?
i ask b/c i'm trying pretty much the same thing, and i couldn't find any fresh poo, so i went out and bought some composted manure from a nearby nursery. Will this stuff work??

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: flow]
    #1489632 - 04/24/03 01:36 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

BTW.... water content of the grain IS VERY important.... makes the difference between 15 days and 25 days for 100 % colonization.... trust me.. i know !


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: flow]
    #1489731 - 04/24/03 02:08 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

thanks for the tek man, it really clears up a lot of questions i've had. 
one that i still have though is...
Quote:

The word 'poo' is used interchangably with the 'Miracle Grow for Vegatables' 



is the 'Miracle grow for Vegetables' just packaged composted manure? 
i ask b/c i'm trying pretty much the same thing, and i couldn't find any fresh poo, so i went out and bought some composted manure from a nearby nursery.  Will this stuff work?? 




yes that shit works great  :laugh:


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: dr4g0n]
    #1490408 - 04/24/03 05:01 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for sharing that tek.. everything was nice and clear.. great for a newbie..

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: SevHoeSev]
    #1490643 - 04/24/03 06:10 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

yup great tek


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: ziare4082]
    #1490665 - 04/24/03 06:16 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

you forgot the aqurium heater on the supplies list


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: JameZTheNewbie]
    #1490786 - 04/24/03 06:57 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

f8l I'm using my spent jars because I don't have a PC and don't want to wait an extra month for that part of the tek.

Is miracle grow for vegetables only manure, or is it all that plant food shit? Because I went to a nursery today and bought organic tomato + vegetable plant food which I think is like little chunks of stuff, not sure what. Would that work for this tek? And if I can't find straw, because home depot and the nursery didn't have it, would it still work if I just used that plant food by itself, sort of like using poo by itself?

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: Pantherina]
    #1490910 - 04/24/03 07:39 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Maintain a 160 degree to 180 degree temperature for 1 hour 20 minutes. If you don't have a temperature gauge, simply by adding more boiling water every 20 minutes
you should maintain the temperature.

I think that this is to long for pastuerisation, about half that time would be better (40 minutes) and a thermometer is going to be essential to maintain the correct temprature, otherwise they could easily end up boiling it.





I believe pasturzation is around 1 hour 30 minutes. (correct me if I'm wrong). Yes, I suppose a cheap thermometer is advisable. *noted in new tek*

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Does the water content of your poo and straw matter that much? How wet should it be. Will this directly effect how fast or if the substrate colonizes?



Yes, the water content does matter. In the updated tek I added "if you pick up a handful and squeeze only a few drops of water should come out." <-- This is generally accepted as the 'proper water content'

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is the 'Miracle grow for Vegetables' just packaged composted manure?
i ask b/c i'm trying pretty much the same thing, and i couldn't find any fresh poo, so i went out and bought some composted manure from a nearby nursery. Will this stuff work??




Miracle Grow for Vegatables contains (dont have the bag with me, but offhand..) Organic Poo (from Florida), vermiculite, bark, and a few other ingredients I have forgotten. Using composted manure from a nearby nursery should work well. I have used the "miracle grow" since many people do not have access to poo. But in my opinion, the miracle grow performs just as well.

Quote:

you forgot the aqurium heater on the supplies list



*noted*, thanks.

Quote:

Is miracle grow for vegetables only manure, or is it all that plant food shit? Because I went to a nursery today and bought organic tomato + vegetable plant food which I think is like little chunks of stuff, not sure what. Would that work for this tek?



No, just follow the tek, dont make any unnecessary substitutions (with the possible exception of replacing the miracle grow with poo taken a farmer.

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And if I can't find straw, because home depot and the nursery didn't have it, would it still work if I just used that plant food by itself, sort of like using poo by itself?



Again, you don't want to modify the tek. And I'm betting this wouldn't work well either. Like I mentioned earlier, you can find pre-cut straw at Michaels and possibly other arts and craft stores.

Please keep the comments coming, this is very useful to providing a clear and concise and ACCURATE tek. Thanks all.

Edited by f8L (04/24/03 07:40 PM)

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #1491025 - 04/24/03 08:17 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Poops knows what hes talking about, and im backing him up by saying that pasteurization at 170 for only 30 min works just as well. in theory, all you need to do is heat up everything to 170 degrees for a minute and it will be pasteurized. The reason it is kept in longer depends on the thickness and tightness of your dung. the harder it is for the hot water to penetrate the longer it takes.
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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #1492684 - 04/25/03 10:25 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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Is miracle grow for vegetables only manure, or is it all that plant food shit? Because I went to a nursery today and bought organic tomato + vegetable plant food which I think is like little chunks of stuff, not sure what. Would that work for this tek?
No, just follow the tek, dont make any unnecessary substitutions (with the possible exception of replacing the miracle grow with poo taken a farmer.




Well I went to Home Depot and they didn't have "Miracle Grow for Vegetables", just "Miracle Grow for roses" and for plants, not specifically for vegetables so I didn't think they would work as well. I checked the ingredients of nursery vegetable food and they say they have chicken manure and some other stuff, so it's still poo with other organic foods, I think it should still work?

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: Bangvan]
    #1492704 - 04/25/03 10:31 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

oh and 1 more question, do I need to sterilize the vegetable food, or would it be clean enough?

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: Bangvan]
    #1492936 - 04/25/03 11:34 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)





Well I went to Home Depot and they didn't have "Miracle Grow for Vegetables", just "Miracle Grow for roses" and for plants, not specifically for vegetables so I didn't think they would work as well. I checked the ingredients of nursery vegetable food and they say they have chicken manure and some other stuff, so it's still poo with other organic foods, I think it should still work?



Try looking at Walmart and Lowes (might want to call them first before driving over)... then let me know if you find it so we can clear up where to find it.. I'm pretty sure swim bought it at walmart.

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oh and 1 more question, do I need to sterilize the vegetable food, or would it be clean enough?



STERILIZE DOES NOT EQUAL PASTURIZE. Sterilize means a pressure cooker at high temps... Pasturize means temps around 160-180. Yes, it would be a good idea to pasturize.

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #1493143 - 04/25/03 12:33 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Ya I meant pasteurize, and ya I'll do that. The nearest Lowes is like 30 miles away and Walmart is about 20 miles away... I'm too lazy to drive that far so I think I'll just try this nursery stuff I got, maybe its a hidden gem no one's tried before and I'll get great results and share them with you guys.

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: Bangvan]
    #1493234 - 04/25/03 12:57 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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Ya I meant pasteurize, and ya I'll do that. The nearest Lowes is like 30 miles away and Walmart is about 20 miles away... I'm too lazy to drive that far so I think I'll just try this nursery stuff I got, maybe its a hidden gem no one's tried before and I'll get great results and share them with you guys.




Everyone's first mistake is to try to "modify" a tek. DONT DO IT. If you are following a tek, follow every single last word, dont modify anything. I would highly suggest not using whatever it is you have.

Edited by f8L (04/25/03 12:58 PM)

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #1498655 - 04/27/03 07:01 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

yeah try the tek first then try to modify it if you really want to


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: ziare4082]
    #1500541 - 04/28/03 11:45 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the comments all.. if there are no other comments then I will rewrite the tek and post it in the near future. Do you guys think pictures would help or is the tek best left as a txt file?

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #1501641 - 04/28/03 05:48 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

considering i've always just read about the grain jar lid with two holes - 1 being the polyfill filter.. the second being the injection port taped over afterwards.. so yah, my vote is for pictures :-)


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: KafkaPie]
    #1501653 - 04/28/03 05:53 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

huge shrooms with pics for newbies tek.


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: fugu]
    #1504700 - 04/29/03 02:10 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I think it would clear a few things up w/pics

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: lucky420]
    #1520306 - 05/04/03 07:56 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

a picture is worth a thousand words


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: SMAGE]
    #1635215 - 06/15/03 02:24 PM (21 years, 11 days ago)

Uh, I wonder if anyone has tried this tek yet? My foaf is about to start fruiting and he wanted to see if anyone has had any success w/this tek?

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: lucky420]
    #1635236 - 06/15/03 02:38 PM (21 years, 11 days ago)

Is it completed yet? Where can I get a printable copy?  :smile:


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: PooPs]
    #1636350 - 06/16/03 12:31 AM (21 years, 10 days ago)

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also same applies to squeezing the shit out of the poop gotta get that water content just right!!! 



lol, lol, lol if you squeezed all the shit out of it all you would have left is water. :grin: 

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: four20snakeman]
    #1687942 - 07/05/03 11:58 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

any pictures yet?


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: apuffball]
    #1691795 - 07/07/03 12:26 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I asked for a Pressure Cooker for Christmas. I got one... but it's a small one. Only way I can pressure cook a quart jar is if I turn it on its side. Pain in the ass only doing one jar at a time... and have to be careful about moisture getting inside.

So if you have a choice, go BIG!!! Size DOES matter. With Pressure cookers anyway.


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: Aarondx]
    #1781582 - 08/05/03 12:25 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

2 things, 1 i have colonized a couple jars of wbs and have come to the conclusion that yes, the water content is VERY important, on another note, i have not been able to obtain any straw, as i do not have any of the afor mentioned arts and crafts stores, i however was able to find some very dry salt hay which is not green at all and cow compost manure, i was wondering if this would work?

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: ahel]
    #1782474 - 08/05/03 04:21 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Store bought composted manure sucks. They sell straw at Wal-mart where I live. Look in the arts and crafts section. It was only 25 cents a brick.


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: ziare4082]
    #2138245 - 11/26/03 03:11 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Nice tek. Seems a common problem is an undersized pc. My plan calls for the purchace of 50X or 75X sterilizer from American.
Any adjustment I need to make using the sterilizer over pc, or just keep the same temps and times???????

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: Croupier]
    #2138749 - 11/26/03 07:56 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

very well put together tek


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #2140886 - 11/27/03 07:28 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I'll try that next round !!!! Thanks Bro!!!


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: psychotripper]
    #2140897 - 11/27/03 07:33 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Is it ok to use boiling water to sterilize for my first round using this method.


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: psychotripper]
    #2140910 - 11/27/03 07:39 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

How exactly is this your TEK?

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #2140927 - 11/27/03 07:53 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

f8L said:
we are "casing" - meaning crumbling our mycelium into straw and manure inside our



This is spawning.

Quote:


good bacteria that helps the shrooms grow.




Doesn't affect the mycelium or mushroooms really. Don't quote me on this though for I am not 100% sure.

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16) Once its pasteurized




You can't pastuerize something that contains no nutrients such as a casing medium. I'm not completely sure about this either though.

Nice outline but I'd imagine you'd get alot of aborts without fanning.


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: lucky420]
    #2140944 - 11/27/03 08:02 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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lucky420 said:
Uh, I wonder if anyone has tried this tek yet? My foaf is about to start fruiting and he wanted to see if anyone has had any success w/this tek?




People have been doing this for ever. Sterilizing whole grain, spawning it, fruiting it. Nothing new really.


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: f8L]
    #2970151 - 08/05/04 09:57 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I am interested in continuing to update this tek for errors / additions (including pictures) /clarifications. If you are interested, message me on shroomery or on aol.

The goal of the modifications would be to get this tek listed next to the PFTEK on Shroomery's Basic Grow Guides. Thanks.

Edited by f8L (08/05/04 10:17 PM)

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: Funger]
    #2970980 - 08/06/04 03:52 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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Funger said:If this is truley a tek for newbies... you may want to tell them to release the pressure before waiting for it to cool... Or they could be waiting a while.



Releasing the pressure without letting it cool first will screw your water content in the jars. Basically, while they are still anywhere above 212 degrees (100 Celcius) they need to remain under pressure or else they will instantly boil and the water will escape as steam. The pressure keeps the boiling point higher so you can sterilize without boiling the water out of the jars (the whole point of using a PC in the first place). So the slow cooldown to at least under the boiling point of water at your elevation (note: in Denver at 5000ft or so, this is even lower temp than 212 - that spec is at sea level), then perhaps you could blow off the rest of the pressure (if there is any by then).

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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: Bangvan]
    #2971692 - 08/06/04 11:00 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Spudz76 is right - if you dump the pressure from a hot PC, the jars will boil dry. Also, there is no need for a separate inoculation port. Just slip the needle in past the polyfill.


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: ziare4082]
    #2973021 - 08/06/04 05:40 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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ziare4082 said:
Does the water content of your poo and straw matter that much? How wet should it be. Will this directly effect how fast or if the substrate colonizes?




Water content is very important.To much, to little no myc. Got to be in that fine line and just alittle bit over that fine, CONTAMS


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Re: Huge Shrooms for Newbies Tek [Re: KaptKid]
    #2974968 - 08/07/04 09:12 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Spudz is right about the PC. You let it cool first (only removing it from the heat) then you remove the weight/lift the rocker/ect to let the pressure out.

Did you mention shaking the grains while they are still hot to prevent sticking kernals? If so I missed it.

Also you mentioned to someone else using 1/2 quarts woul affect his yeild but how much spawn you use doesnt effect yeild, its how much substrate. The poo/straw is your substrate, not the grain. Thats just used to get white stuff going and it doesnt matter how much or how little grain you use. That would only affect colonization time of the poo not how big your mushrooms get.

Excellent tek though. Very good attention to detail for the most part.


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