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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: sonavapreacha]
    #14834597 - 07/27/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I really wasn't sure where else to talk about this.




you'll be fine.

field medic... I hope you're not the popular man on the line

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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14834598 - 07/27/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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@Deadhearts
You wake up already...people take medicine on their own accord, and most of the deaths you are referring to are overdoses from people misusing medicine. And people have to get a license to drive legally, they are taught the laws and how to be as safe as possible, if the individual doesn't take heed to safety regulations then they are the ones at fault as an individual. You are listing points that have nothing to do with terrorists killing innocent people, the people at the WTC were not overdosing on drugs or driving like a maniac. They were being productive members of society when some fucks crashed planes into their workplace cause they dont like us, well fuck that my friend, if someone came and punched you in the face are you going to sit there and not do nothing about it? And its not just the WTC that they attacked TWICE. They are tyrants that were going around the world killing people because they did not agree with their way of life, and no killing Osama is not going to stop terrorism. But it will stop him from killing anyone else....cause some soldiers with a fucking BACKBONE killed him. War is an ugly thing, and if they didnt want war they shouldn't have came over here trying to punish us for our way of life.






Im sorry man but YOU have to wake up! Im not trying to hate on you or your beliefs
and I love what this country COULD be and still is in some aspects. But, with all
honesty. You have no idea what is really going on based on your post.

You are failing to see the importance of the numbers of terrorism and war in general.
Yes a few thousand people have been killed over the years by "terrorism" but how
many lives have we lost on both sides due to acts?? Is it worth it? How much money
and resources have we invested? Has that been worth it while our country is in serious
financial trouble in part due to our military/defense spending?? Has our image and
respect from the rest of the world improved over the years in regards to our war
actions and irresponsibility of economy while owning the worlds reserve currency??

Your friends are dying and innocent people from all over are being killed and
from what I can see our little wars are making things much much worse and it pisses
me off that people like you are dragging the rest of us down with this sinking ship
of a country.




First off each one of those few thousand people had a mother, a father, grandparents, possibly aunts, uncles, brothers, and sisters. So to them Its a big deal to lose there family to terrorism. What kind of message are we sending the rest of the world if we were to allow them to attack us without repercussions? Oh lets not fight back cause we might offend the terrorists even more. And yes it is a sad thing that US soldiers have lost their lives, I honor our soldiers more than you could know. Most of them soldiers over there voluntarily went to war, there are many who have volunteered for another tour (I have to friends who have) and they would love to see that people like you dont even support them, but talk about what they are doing like they are the terrorists. You say I dont know whats going on but, just a little bit ago you were advocating car accidents and overdoses as new focuses of war? And people like me are dragging this "sinking ship of a country down" then jump ship.

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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14834657 - 07/27/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Im sorry man but YOU have to wake up! Im not trying to hate on you or your beliefs
You are failing to see the importance of ]





I'm sorry man but if you dont want wanna wish the man well and leave it at
that or at least discuss what's on his mind, then do everyone a favor and

GET OUT OF HIS THREAD


this isnt the place for you to discuss your political ideology, beliefs or
any other of your anti terrorism/anti what ever shit

this is a man with a lot on his mind, a wife he needs to come home to,
friends and family he needs to see again. wish him luck that he'll be
patching skinned knees kn the afghani kids and not in the fight but he
has no choice but to follow the deployment order or become a fugitive

any response other than "YES STAFF SARGENT" from you will land you a ban

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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14834772 - 07/27/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My cousin did a few tours over there as a field medic. He made it back in one piece... but to be honest some of his buddies did not. Lot's of horrible stories and an overall unenthusiastic attitude about the way things were going over there.

Not trying to put doubts in you, just relaying his experience. I hope it goes well for you man, I seriously considered joining up myself and have quite a few family members who've been overseas.

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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14834808 - 07/27/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
Im sorry man but YOU have to wake up! Im not trying to hate on you or your beliefs
You are failing to see the importance of ]





I'm sorry man but if you dont want wanna wish the man well and leave it at
that or at least discuss what's on his mind, then do everyone a favor and

GET OUT OF HIS THREAD


this isnt the place for you to discuss your political ideology, beliefs or
any other of your anti terrorism/anti what ever shit

this is a man with a lot on his mind, a wife he needs to come home to,
friends and family he needs to see again. wish him luck that he'll be
patching skinned knees kn the afghani kids and not in the fight but he
has no choice but to follow the deployment order or become a fugitive

any response other than "YES STAFF SARGENT" from you will land you a ban



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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #14835442 - 07/27/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

THIS IS NOT THE THREAD TO BE TROLLING ANYONE, A PUBLIC WARNING WAS GIVEN TO REMIND US ALL THAT WE NEED TO RESPECT THE OTHER POSTERS, THIS THREAD ISNT ABOT YOUR HATRED FOR THE MILITARY OR YOUR CONVOLUTED VIEWS ON WHAT THE FUCK EVER, THIS THREAD IS IN REGARD TO A FELLOW SHROOMERITE GETTING HIS DEPLOYMENT ORDERS


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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: Humility]
    #14835466 - 07/27/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

THIS IS NOT THE THREAD TO BE TROLLING ANYONE, A PUBLIC WARNING WAS GIVEN TO REMIND US ALL THAT WE NEED TO RESPECT THE OTHER POSTERS, THIS THREAD ISNT ABOT YOUR HATRED FOR THE MILITARY OR YOUR CONVOLUTED VIEWS ON WHAT THE FUCK EVER, THIS THREAD IS IN REGARD TO A FELLOW SHROOMERITE GETTING HIS DEPLOYMENT ORDERS


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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: Humility]
    #14835484 - 07/27/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think you missed the point of pris's post.

He didn't mention anything about the word honorable. Just said to stop giving OP shit.

It's not like OP is calling you guys pussies for not enlisting, or trying to argue at all, or saying he is better than the people who haven't enlisted.

You guys are going to have a million other opportunities to give shit to the goverment/military on this forum.
Save it for a thread that isn't about a fellow shroomite not wanting leaving his wife to go to some hellhole but having to do so because he go conned into joining.

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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: Humility] * 1
    #14835519 - 07/27/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think you all have valid points. Valid points that aren't really welcome in this thread as pris said.

I fucking hate the military after being in it, but I'm going to keep it to myself and tell a man trying to do his job good luck.

I don't agree with the fast food industry, but I'm not going to berate you in your own thread about picking up some BK.

Sure that was a weak comparison but you get the picture.

I was in the military and yes I'm sure he knows all of this, and no he doesn't need to hear it right now. He HAS to go over there, don't torcher the man right before his world gets turned upside down damn guys. I've been in his place and it doesn't feel super awesome. Thank the gods I didn't end up going over there tho.


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My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: Kada]
    #14835545 - 07/27/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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IamMatt said:
I think you missed the point of pris's post.

He didn't mention anything about the word honorable. Just said to stop giving OP shit.

It's not like OP is calling you guys pussies for not enlisting, or trying to argue at all, or saying he is better than the people who haven't enlisted.

You guys are going to have a million other opportunities to give shit to the goverment/military on this forum.
Save it for a thread that isn't about a fellow shroomite not wanting leaving his wife to go to some hellhole but having to do so because he go conned into joining.



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I think you all have valid points. Valid points that aren't really welcome in this thread as pris said.

I fucking hate the military after being in it, but I'm going to keep it to myself and tell a man trying to do his job good luck.

I don't agree with the fast food industry, but I'm not going to berate you in your own thread about picking up some BK.

Sure that was a weak comparison but you get the picture.

I was in the military and yes I'm sure he knows all of this, and no he doesn't need to hear it right now. He HAS to go over there, don't torcher the man right before his world gets turned upside down damn guys. I've been in his place and it doesn't feel super awesome. Thank the gods I didn't end up going over there tho.



Ya man you do make a good point, I did get sidetracked and start ranting in his thread, So once again OP stay safe and keep your head up.

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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: Humility] * 1
    #14835557 - 07/27/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

THIS IS NOT THE THREAD TO BE TROLLING ANYONE, A PUBLIC WARNING WAS GIVEN TO REMIND US ALL THAT WE NEED TO RESPECT THE OTHER POSTERS, THIS THREAD ISNT ABOT YOUR HATRED FOR THE MILITARY OR YOUR CONVOLUTED VIEWS ON WHAT THE FUCK EVER, THIS THREAD IS IN REGARD TO A FELLOW SHROOMERITE GETTING HIS DEPLOYMENT ORDERS


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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #14835594 - 07/27/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I do not support this war in a way shape or form. But stay safe.



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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: Humility]
    #14835696 - 07/27/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I bet it feels less "Super awesome" to have your kid get blown up or shot to death.



No sympathy for people who sign up to go commit carnage.  The fact that he's a battlefield medic and not say a combat engineer (or whatever the fuck they're called, demolitions guys) obviously says something.



But immorality is immorality.  Furthermore, having a family, the LAST thing you should even be considering is following through with going to Afghanastan.  What if something DOES happen and your family is left behind?


Not a possibility I would ever even consider it's so ridiculous.  On top of your family being left, you died for absolutely *nothing* positive whatsoever.


What a terrible decision to make.




IMO the American military today is like the Wermacht of '37.  I do *not* respect that and I'm not going to just sit idly by and let you all praise something that is quite obviously immoral and unethical.




When the fuck did the OP say it was going to be super awesome, or that he was righteous at all?

Get the fuck out of this thread and wait for the next military thread to go on rants. Your not educating anyone here just bringing bad vibes.

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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: IamMatt]
    #14835796 - 07/27/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

THIS IS NOT THE THREAD TO BE TROLLING ANYONE, A PUBLIC WARNING WAS GIVEN TO REMIND US ALL THAT WE NEED TO RESPECT THE OTHER POSTERS, THIS THREAD ISNT ABOT YOUR HATRED FOR THE MILITARY OR YOUR CONVOLUTED VIEWS ON WHAT THE FUCK EVER, THIS THREAD IS IN REGARD TO A FELLOW SHROOMERITE GETTING HIS DEPLOYMENT ORDERS


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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: IamMatt]
    #14835801 - 07/27/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Coming on here and seeing all of these posts really makes me smile. I thank you for the support.  And to humility, while you and I disagree, and I can relate to your candor, and can appreciate that you are not appathetic to a very polarizing topic. It's true, the military is an organization that trains to take a life if it is completely necessary. But there are many stipulations involving the geneva convention, that relegate what we can, and cannot do. In fact, with the Karzai 12, criminals/terrorists get released from custody constantly due to faulty evidence/police work. I think in the eyes of the public, the military didn't do itself a service with reckless escalation of force in the early part of the war. But things have changed(trust me, going to month long field problems of being sweaty, dirty with no showers, and having to do key leader engagements on what we can do to keep their village safe)in the way we deal with the local nationals. We want to have a positive influence.

As to why I joined, well I kind of ran out of options. I was in a BSN(Bachelor of Science in Nursing) course, just barely hanging on my junior year, when I got put on a year of probation for academic reasons. Probably had something to do with the ridiculous amount of partying I was doing. I was in debt, and I had little else to turn to with the slow economy, so I joined the military. I wanted to serve as a medic(or health care specialist), so I could help people who are doing what I believe is the right thing. Not everyone is a gung-ho killer, even in the infantry. Many joined for different reasons, i.e. grandpa served in Korea, college money, serving their country, friend who was killed in the military. These guys are going to put their lives on the line, and someone has to look out for their well-being. I never envisioned myself wanting to join the army, but as I have gotten older, life has had a tendency of giving me what I need, not what I want.

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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: sonavapreacha] * 1
    #14835825 - 07/27/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Coming on here and seeing all of these posts really makes me smile. I thank you for the support.  And to humility, while you and I disagree, and I can relate to your candor, and can appreciate that you are not appathetic to a very polarizing topic. It's true, the military is an organization that trains to take a life if it is completely necessary. But there are many stipulations involving the geneva convention, that relegate what we can, and cannot do. In fact, with the Karzai 12, criminals/terrorists get released from custody constantly due to faulty evidence/police work. I think in the eyes of the public, the military didn't do itself a service with reckless escalation of force in the early part of the war. But things have changed(trust me, going to month long field problems of being sweaty, dirty with no showers, and having to do key leader engagements on what we can do to keep their village safe)in the way we deal with the local nationals. We want to have a positive influence.

As to why I joined, well I kind of ran out of options. I was in a BSN(Bachelor of Science in Nursing) course, just barely hanging on my junior year, when I got put on a year of probation for academic reasons. Probably had something to do with the ridiculous amount of partying I was doing. I was in debt, and I had little else to turn to with the slow economy, so I joined the military. I wanted to serve as a medic(or health care specialist), so I could help people who are doing what I believe is the right thing. Not everyone is a gung-ho killer, even in the infantry. Many joined for different reasons, i.e. grandpa served in Korea, college money, serving their country, friend who was killed in the military. These guys are going to put their lives on the line, and someone has to look out for their well-being. I never envisioned myself wanting to join the army, but as I have gotten older, life has had a tendency of giving me what I need, not what I want.




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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: The Influence]
    #14835842 - 07/27/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Good luck bud. Much respect.


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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: Humility]
    #14836470 - 07/28/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I would opt to not reply but I just want to clarify for you Matt; I am speaking to/referencing Kada.


Don't be so vitriolic.  I'm not upset, I'm just trying to be as clear as possible about something I feel strongly about.

I'm certainly not angry with you, or the OP, or anyone else in this thread for that matter.



He is a field medic. He isn't going over there to kill people. He is a healer and a life saver. I wouldn't say he was anything but honorable in that. Sure he is going to war, but he is going to save lives. He could be saving lives of people that are not even american.

If any job in the military is honorable, I would say it's a medic. That's the best thing you could do if you want to do something good over there. People should be giving him props for that alone. Sure war sucks and the reasons we are over there are bullshit in a lot of peoples minds, but to go over there with the intentions of trying to save lives should at least deserve our respect while he talks about his concerns.

Just sayin man.


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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: sonavapreacha]
    #14836480 - 07/28/11 12:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The big news has finally hit me. After being in a pretty nice spot, my unit has gotten orders to deploy. I've taken a lot of time to think about this, and had to break my wife's heart, who had so many numerous plans laid out for this winter. It's hard to imagine being half-way around the world in an austere environment, lobbying local leadership and fighting in a war that we have no business fighting in. Up until this point, the army has been everything I had hoped it would be. It's gotten me in shape, given me comfortable earnings, and I have made some pretty good friends. But there is always two sides to a coin.

I really wasn't sure where else to talk about this. Facebook involves too much security risks, and I really wasn't looking for a bunch of "atta-boys" and "you'll be in our prayers". This community I have depended on for some time for opinions that cater to both sides of any discussion, and for that I am grateful. My time of being on American soil is slowly running out, and I just wanted to take the time to let this community know how grateful I was for their material, and place for me to let my feelings out.





Do they drug test you while your over there? If not, take a heap of pods from the feilds, and smoke the wild strains of canna :lol:

anyway... good luck


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Re: Well, it's finally happened...going to Afghanistan. [Re: Locky]
    #14836536 - 07/28/11 01:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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sonavapreacha said:
The big news has finally hit me. After being in a pretty nice spot, my unit has gotten orders to deploy. I've taken a lot of time to think about this, and had to break my wife's heart, who had so many numerous plans laid out for this winter. It's hard to imagine being half-way around the world in an austere environment, lobbying local leadership and fighting in a war that we have no business fighting in. Up until this point, the army has been everything I had hoped it would be. It's gotten me in shape, given me comfortable earnings, and I have made some pretty good friends. But there is always two sides to a coin.

I really wasn't sure where else to talk about this. Facebook involves too much security risks, and I really wasn't looking for a bunch of "atta-boys" and "you'll be in our prayers". This community I have depended on for some time for opinions that cater to both sides of any discussion, and for that I am grateful. My time of being on American soil is slowly running out, and I just wanted to take the time to let this community know how grateful I was for their material, and place for me to let my feelings out.





Do they drug test you while your over there? If not, take a heap of pods from the feilds, and smoke the wild strains of canna :lol:

anyway... good luck




Man, I am going to do everything I can to get at those poppy fields. I can't imagine being sober for 12 months, it's going to be an experience. Maybe if I am not afraid of accessing this site while I am there, I can give you status updates on what REALLY goes on over there, instead of just hearsay and fear/hate-mongering.

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