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Invisiblewondercat
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If we are eternal...
    #14831132 - 07/27/11 01:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

why is everybody in such a rush?

Distracted by the thought of needed to be somewhere, people are surrounded by their own doubts, unable to go anywhere.

if you wanna run, just fucking GO

or let go


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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: wondercat]
    #14831140 - 07/27/11 01:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thumbs up for saying this, but now we have to apply it

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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: Greenvalley]
    #14831148 - 07/27/11 02:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yup i gotta listen to my own advice too. heh.

i just danced, so im good for now.


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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: wondercat] * 1
    #14831191 - 07/27/11 02:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

because WE ARE NOT ETERNAL

the certainty of death is the biggest part of what i would call my "spirituality"

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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14831208 - 07/27/11 02:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

In Goddess spirituality 'eternity' is not opposite to 'change' or 'time'. In patriarchal ideas this is how it is--so you get the concept of etrnity meaning everlastingness verus time, and life versus death, and light versus dark, etc etc.

But that old Serpent which the patriarchy maligns in its myths, originally is associated with this meaning of eternity as explained in Goddess spirituality, because the snake sloughs of old skin and underneath is new skin, and OUR bodies do that when we live---all our cells recew, and then mortal death allows for more life and so it goes.

So why is everyone rushing about? because they think they have to conform, and there can be heavy shit if you dont like losing your 'status' etc. so a system is built around a mechanistic sense of time-running-out

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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14831225 - 07/27/11 02:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Sleepwalker said:
because WE ARE NOT ETERNAL

the certainty of death is the biggest part of what i would call my "spirituality"




Funny, my spirituality is the opposite. In fact I only consider spirituality relevant if we ARE eternal.

And we are eternal consciousness...

There is no rush, but I sure am wondering what to do with myself.

There is a state you can reach that is beyond what you've ordinary considered 'yourself', quite possible sober to do it too.

It's a kind of un-sane, beautiful, mysterious and fulfilling.

Being there, you care for nothing.

Besides, existence is not provable anyway. You can't be sure you're even here.


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InvisibleSleepwalker
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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: zzripz]
    #14831226 - 07/27/11 02:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Good luck with all of that.
No matter how 'outside of time' you are, your body will go on changing until YOU no longer exist.  Don't try to deny it.

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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14831319 - 07/27/11 03:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You misunderstand the nature of consciousness. Consciousness cannot not-be... Even if the personality dissolves, consciousness remains, and if there is any 'you' it's that, since everything else is in flux.


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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: circastes]
    #14832305 - 07/27/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You've never been knocked out? gone to sleep?

I didn't exist for a while last night.
My "self" is a function of my brain activity.
I think it is you who misunderstands the situation we find ourselves in.

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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14832924 - 07/27/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would hate to be stuck with my human limitations (personality) for an eternity, or be stuck in an eternity with others suffering the same fate, I'd rather just die and assimilate into dirt or primary consciousness (god). I think that who we are in the physical form is our limitations, and with limitations comes ignorance, adversity, and inequality which I think people get more then enough of in one lifetime.

As for why people are always in such a rush, its because they think they are running out of time, wether its the thought of iminant death, that they have to get something done before then, orthey are just so caught up in our everything right now materialistic society. I think they way people rush through life is benificial to part time slackers like myself.

Edited by sk8ordude (07/27/11 12:43 PM)

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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: sk8ordude]
    #14833677 - 07/27/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Sleepwalker said:
You've never been knocked out? gone to sleep?

I didn't exist for a while last night.
My "self" is a function of my brain activity.
I think it is you who misunderstands the situation we find ourselves in.





You would think that but try and open your mind for a second.

Which of these is a self-portrait?

A:


B:



Or to put it another way, learn to cease identifying with the 3D and get with the 4D dawg.


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific

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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: crkhd]
    #14833699 - 07/27/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not disputing that I'm part of the universe.
I am.  I'm a part of the universe that is going to die and disappear forever.

Get with reality, bro.  You are going to end.

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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14834047 - 07/27/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Sleepwalker said:
I'm not disputing that I'm part of the universe.
I am.  I'm a part of the universe that is going to die and disappear forever.

Get with reality, bro.  You are going to end.




LOL
what does end imply?

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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: zzripz]
    #14834075 - 07/27/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

something like this...

































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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: zzripz]
    #14834086 - 07/27/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There is no question that we will all die a physical death. Anything after that is just a toss up, no one can be sure of a life after death. In my opinion and from my experiences there is definitely more to this whole reality gig but what that is is just another toss up. Death anxiety is a pain in the ass, step away from it and the world opens up.

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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: don_vedo]
    #14834171 - 07/27/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

To understand death, understand growth and decay. When you die, your body, your cells, every molecule that makes you up is individually broken away from what you once were, no longer available to manifest a living being here in this world. You are essentially being taken apart to be rebuilt in some way in some other form. Quantum Physics proves that matter is constantly being created and destroyed, out of "thin air" except it isn't air this is happening from, it is "nothing" or NO-THING. In this limited reality, the matter that is already here may only be transformed. Matter was created from conscious. It was destroyed with conscious. It is conscious. Human conscious affects sub-atomic particles dramatically. LIFE has too much momentum to stop. And people don't rush because they're afraid of death, they just want to get things done. And the faster you get something done, the more time you have for getting other things done. And the more things you are getting done, well obviously the more you are BECOMING. So lets all become something wonderful for God to use on the rest of the universe when we die and are individually broken down piece by piece into trillions and infinities of who we are. As above, so below. My soul is my body. I am in each individual piece of my body. And right now, all of me together makes up this one being that I AM.


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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14834236 - 07/27/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Sleepwalker said:
I'm not disputing that I'm part of the universe.
I am.  I'm a part of the universe that is going to die and disappear forever.

Get with reality, bro.  You are going to end.




Why am I going to end? We know from research that there always has been "something", "in existence". Even if universal heat death occurs there is still no "disappearing". Once something is a definite truth, no amount of energy can render it a falsehood/non-existent.

You're still missing the whole point of being 4D. You don't just have a height, width and depth, you have a lifespan as well. Those are your co-ordinates for eternity, irrespective of what happens to the universe. And even then, the universe is not a process occuring "in time", time is only one aspect of it.

If anything I get the sense that you're simply an atheist that has made their mind up about the futility of it all. If so, fair enough. Don't let that cloud your judgement though. Existence is not disappearing any time soon.


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"Everything there is, and all that there is, is a Pattern of unspeakable proportion. The Pattern contains everything that is, completely fixed in succession, all the minimal particles interconnected in every way that is. Every way that is is not every conceivable way, because not everything that can be conceived is manifest in the pattern."

"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific

Edited by crkhd (07/27/11 05:24 PM)

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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: wondercat]
    #14834802 - 07/27/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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wondercat said:
why is everybody in such a rush?

Distracted by the thought of needed to be somewhere, people are surrounded by their own doubts, unable to go anywhere.

if you wanna run, just fucking GO

or let go




Well, "we" are not eternal, Eternity is Eternal. Some say Eternity is 'alive,' which means that Eternity is Eternal Life. Eternity is also Infinite, and being so, it is limitless. The spiritual life is about experiencing the Limitless (Ain Sof) which, by definition must somehow suffuse or be present throughout space-time. I have found myself at my most sacred moments, as Pure Awareness, without egoic-mind or personal identity. It is not "we," rather it is 'THOU,' or 'THAT,' depending on whether one experiences God with, or without personal attributes. God is a useful shorthand for Ultimate Reality.


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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14834919 - 07/27/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Sleepwalker said:
You've never been knocked out? gone to sleep?

I didn't exist for a while last night.
My "self" is a function of my brain activity.
I think it is you who misunderstands the situation we find ourselves in.



You were still conscious. The 'self' program was not running, correct, but there was still consciousness.

Lapses in time does not constitute unconsciousness. Time is an illusion.

So yes consciousness is a very subtle thing.


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Re: If we are eternal... [Re: wondercat] * 1
    #14835028 - 07/27/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

wondercat said:
why is everybody in such a rush?

Distracted by the thought of needed to be somewhere, people are surrounded by their own doubts, unable to go anywhere.

if you wanna run, just fucking GO

or let go





You must be talking about someone else.  I'm in no hurry at all.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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