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Linux/Windows virtualisation?
    #14811879 - 07/23/11 01:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hiya,

I've just bought a new laptop and want to try out Linux. However, I still need Windows for several large pieces of software as well as (unfortunately) iTunes for my iPhone.

As a result, I'm in two minds whether to virtualise Linux within Windows 7 or virtualise Windows 7 within a distro of Linux (possibly Linux Mint).

If I was to virtualise Windows 7 within Linux, can it still access the the laptop's physical hardware - i.e not take a massive performance hit?

Also, and I know this is horribly subjective dependent on hardware/profile, but how long does your distro of whichever Linux take to boot compared to Windows? I was thinking about setting Virtualbox/Linux to self-boot at Windows startup but if it's going to take minutes then I might not.

Thanks! :thumbup:


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Re: Linux/Windows virtualisation? [Re: gilesypopper]
    #14811909 - 07/23/11 02:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

linux performs better then windows on the same hard ware. you would be better off using linux os, then virtualizing windows. I think. and then if the fat32 or ntfs crashes, it crashes in the virtual machine, so you don't have to reformat the entire partition on the drive.

some people not like this choice, but my logic makes sense does it not? think about that option and if you don't like it for the love of god tell me why not. it's the simplest option there is.


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Re: Linux/Windows virtualisation? [Re: gilesypopper]
    #14811985 - 07/23/11 02:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've been using ubuntu for awhile now and it is a lot more stable and runs more smoothly than any distro of windows I've ever used. I've booted up win xp through virtualbox to try to add songs to my old ipod. I can't imagine you'd ever want to run a virtual OS as your main operating system. It's more for running programs that you wouldn't otherwise be able to use. It's always going to be a little wonky. Keep in mind I am a bit of a novice so my opinion isn't totally valid.


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Re: Linux/Windows virtualisation? [Re: gilesypopper]
    #14812034 - 07/23/11 03:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

is creating a second partition for windows and dual booting out of the question?

there may be viable alternatives to all the software you think you need windows for.. perhaps not with itunes, but you could JB your iphone and transfer your files to it over SSH.


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Re: Linux/Windows virtualisation? [Re: robbyberto]
    #14812037 - 07/23/11 03:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hiya guys, thanks for your replies.

Do you know if your virtualised copy of xp can access the laptop's physical hardware - e.g. especially the graphics card? I think that's going to dominate whichever route I take. It's a fairly powerful laptop (quadcore SB i7, gt540m) so I'd like to make use of its abilities. But I really want to move away from proprietary OSs - I've been using Mac OS X for the past few years and it's annoying how locked down Apple is becoming.

If I do run windows as my primary OS I like the idea of virtualising a couple of distros. One major and one super light - i.e. one that I could boot into in seconds and surf some of the more 'dubious' sites on the net without worrying about getting every virus going!

God I'm excited! :laugh:


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Re: Linux/Windows virtualisation? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #14812043 - 07/23/11 03:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

CosmicJoke said:
is creating a second partition for windows and dual booting out of the question?




No, not at all and it's something I've been thinking about. I guess it's just 'easier' to jump between OSs in one instance without rebooting.

...can you virtualise a second boot drive? I.e. jump into it on the fly without having to reboot (but also access it at boot, if that makes senses?)

Thanks :smile:


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Re: Linux/Windows virtualisation? [Re: gilesypopper]
    #14812051 - 07/23/11 03:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

aye, that makes sense... quite possibly, i imagine it depends on your virtualization software...  i know that you access your bootcamped installation of windows virtually through parallels within os x...

http://lifehacker.com/267905/virtualize-and-dual+boot-the-same-windows-on-your-mac


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Re: Linux/Windows virtualisation? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #14812058 - 07/23/11 03:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ah that's excellent, thanks. I assume the same is possible on other combinations of OS? That'd be a great option.


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Re: Linux/Windows virtualisation? [Re: gilesypopper]
    #14812084 - 07/23/11 04:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

from a quick search it appears so with virtualbox
http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=9697


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Linux/Windows virtualisation? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #14812087 - 07/23/11 04:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Cheers dude. Very helpful, thanks. Might take a couple of reads though! :wink:


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Re: Linux/Windows virtualisation? [Re: gilesypopper]
    #14813031 - 07/23/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just curious, what kind of software do you need to run in Windows?

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Re: Linux/Windows virtualisation? [Re: magicbastard]
    #14813475 - 07/23/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Mostly stuff for work - ESRI ArcGIS, Microsoft Visual Studio, Business Objects+Actuate Reporting Tools. If it was just MS Office, I'd have no problem jumping ship. Also need Oracle but I'm looking forward to running this under Linux! :laugh:


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Re: Linux/Windows virtualisation? [Re: gilesypopper]
    #14814096 - 07/23/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I use Oracle's Virtual Box under Linux to run Windows. Once you get used to Linux you may never want to go back, which is what happened to me. Though you may want to use Wubi under Windows first and see if you are likely to use a Linux distro heavily once you get used to it. This way you can keep your existing set up and still mess with Ubuntu (Mint is built off of it anyways) to see if it's your cup of tea.

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Re: Linux/Windows virtualisation? [Re: SOLID BASTARD]
    #14816373 - 07/24/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Heya,

Yes, I was thinking about using Virtual Box too - is just really dependent on how quick Windows is under virtualisation.

I hadn't read about Wubi, thanks. I have to admit that i think I'd prefer to install Linux to a separate partition though. I'm old school - I think Windows needs partitions - i.e. it'll eventually need re-installing!


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Re: Linux/Windows virtualisation? [Re: gilesypopper]
    #14817542 - 07/24/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

gilesypopper said:
Heya,

Yes, I was thinking about using Virtual Box too - is just really dependent on how quick Windows is under virtualisation.

I hadn't read about Wubi, thanks. I have to admit that i think I'd prefer to install Linux to a separate partition though. I'm old school - I think Windows needs partitions - i.e. it'll eventually need re-installing!



I used to have my harddrive set up to dual boot, but the last storm fucked my old harddrive and I had to replace it. I just said screw it and only put Linux on the new one because I wasn't about to deal with 2 hours worth of updates again. Good luck with which ever way you go.

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Re: Linux/Windows virtualisation? [Re: SOLID BASTARD]
    #14828059 - 07/26/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I am running a dual boot Linux Mint/Windows Vista. I have to keep the vista for certain work programs.

What is nice about the dual boot is being able to keep my work files separate from my home use. I can also access files in my windows partition when I am on Linux, which is quite handy.

I think my situation is similar to yours.

By the way, from turning on the power button to getting on the internet (including choosing to boot to linux and typing in my 15 character password), it takes Linux Mint under 1 minute and 15 seconds on my 3-year old laptop.


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