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Re: Do Congressman have to have a security clearance? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14805472 - 07/21/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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A TSSBI is one of the most intrusive of all investigations





they look up your ass with a microscope

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Re: Do Congressman have to have a security clearance? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14805530 - 07/21/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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you're point is wrong






FBI military are two very different things pris is right.


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Re: Do Congressman have to have a security clearance? [Re: withoutawire]
    #14805537 - 07/21/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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A TSSBI is one of the most intrusive of all investigations





they look up your ass with a microscope




They came around the back of my dads place whilst I was smoking a doob, :sad:

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you're point is wrong






FBI military are two very different things pris is right.




no shit?

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Re: Do Congressman have to have a security clearance? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14805616 - 07/21/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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you're point is wrong



Pris.. pris.. pris... You think we should give MORE authority to some clearance granting agency with non-elected chain of command thats para-military in nature?

Is there really support here for the idea that a non elected body should be able to disprove of and block an elected official from taking office because of undesirable background of a candidate?

Keep in mind that means some unidentified group of people would then control the membership of the us government. I realize we might not be far off from that, but there is no agency worth trusting to make such an issue any better.

You are already blocked from elected positions in the federal government for being convicted of a felony, so basically security clearances would weed out people that may have broken laws and not gotten caught. Basically anyone posting in this thread would be unable to attain a high level clearance.


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Re: Do Congressman have to have a security clearance? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14805700 - 07/21/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You are right.  Read the book, "A Bright Shining Lie"  its about John Vann.  The book tells of how he beat the polygraph, he had lots of skeletons in the closet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Vann (the next to last quote is not accurate) Technically he retired, but it was a resignation over America's Policy.

This book is a must read for anyone who wants to really see the guts of the Vietnam 'Conflict'

He was in The 'Nam in 1962 and resigned a year or two later because he told the Government that 'we can lose this war if we aren't careful.' He returned to Vietnam a few years later in the CIA and was the architect of the Phoenix Program.  He was the highest civilian to ever hold the title of field marshall in the US Army.  He was also the architect of the huge defeat of the North Vietnamese Army in 1972, after the American army had mostly left.  He let this huge Army get with about 1000 yards from his position then called in the B-52's. Every 52 that could fly. Some estimates that his raid killed 100,000 NVA Regulars in that one attack, and set back the eventual conquest of North Vietnam by 2 years.

When he was killed flying an Observation plane (wiki says helo, but van was an observation plane pilot,) he crashed into a traditional graveyard.

After he died, NV gave him probably the highest honor given to a foreign advisor/military man, when they said 'We have to honorably mention the death of this Outstanding American Advisor.'

Now, someone tell me why the vietnam war started... :mad2:

If you know that, you will understand why the next to last quote on Wiki isn't accurate.


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Re: Do Congressman have to have a security clearance? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14805852 - 07/21/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Shit, I pulled my own thread off-topic. :rofl:


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Re: Do Congressman have to have a security clearance? [Re: rodfarva]
    #14805904 - 07/21/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Well go vote for that, don't bitch about it here. :shrug:



What the fuck is this nonsense?  This forum has been full of political discussion for months if not years




Most of you are morons. If you are really worried about this democracy you would not be suggesting elected representatives should be screened by a military agency (security clearances) before they can be appointed, because guess what? then the military only allows who they want to lead.



security clearances are done by the FBI, not the military. just saying...





Actually this is not true.  At least not these days.  Security clearance are by and large contractors to the federal government.  I have been interviewed by them about a couple of friends that have TS clearances.

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Basically anyone posting in this thread would be unable to attain a high level clearance.




This in not true either.  They are more concerned about whether you tell the truth or not than about your past drug use.

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Re: Do Congressman have to have a security clearance? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14805988 - 07/21/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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You are right.  Read the book, "A Bright Shining Lie"  its about John Vann.  The book tells of how he beat the polygraph, he had lots of skeletons in the closet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Vann (the next to last quote is not accurate) Technically he retired, but it was a resignation over America's Policy.

This book is a must read for anyone who wants to really see the guts of the Vietnam 'Conflict'

He was in The 'Nam in 1962 and resigned a year or two later because he told the Government that 'we can lose this war if we aren't careful.' He returned to Vietnam a few years later in the CIA and was the architect of the Phoenix Program.  He was the highest civilian to ever hold the title of field marshall in the US Army.  He was also the architect of the huge defeat of the North Vietnamese Army in 1972, after the American army had mostly left.  He let this huge Army get with about 1000 yards from his position then called in the B-52's. Every 52 that could fly. Some estimates that his raid killed 100,000 NVA Regulars in that one attack, and set back the eventual conquest of North Vietnam by 2 years.

When he was killed flying an Observation plane (wiki says helo, but van was an observation plane pilot,) he crashed into a traditional graveyard.

After he died, NV gave him probably the highest honor given to a foreign advisor/military man, when they said 'We have to honorably mention the death of this Outstanding American Advisor.'

Now, someone tell me why the vietnam war started... :mad2:

If you know that, you will understand why the next to last quote on Wiki isn't accurate.






Yeah from what I have read no drug or needle or stupid pain technique will work. You have to learn how to ignore their questioning and respond to your own while processing yet shutting them out. Sounds difficult.


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Re: Do Congressman have to have a security clearance? [Re: withoutawire]
    #14806005 - 07/21/11 10:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

no. it's all about breathing techniques.

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Re: Do Congressman have to have a security clearance? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14806045 - 07/21/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What I read in a book written by CIA officers was a combination of many techniques but it came down to psychological aspect in responding to questions. obviously breathing and calming techniques are important and that was included. just saying drugs and pain dont do anything from what i have read in books i bought/read at borders written by ex-CIA or ex-MI5/MI6


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Re: Do Congressman have to have a security clearance? [Re: withoutawire]
    #14806115 - 07/21/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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no. it's all about breathing techniques.





Really big part of it, and using techniques that make your heart beat irregularly, like going into the polygraph with a combination sleep depravation, a hangover, etc.


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Re: Do Congressman have to have a security clearance? [Re: rodfarva]
    #14806145 - 07/21/11 11:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
you're point is wrong



Pris.. pris.. pris... You think we should give MORE authority to some clearance granting agency with non-elected chain of command thats para-military in nature?




what the fuck are you talking about, you're saying congress is paramilitary?

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Is there really support here for the idea that a non elected body should be able to disprove of and block an elected official from taking office because of undesirable background of a candidate?




isnt that exactly what many in the media and other civilians do every election cycle?

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Keep in mind that means some unidentified group of people would then control the membership of the us government. I realize we might not be far off from that, but there is no agency worth trusting to make such an issue any better.




incorrect. 

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You are already blocked from elected positions in the federal government for being convicted of a felony, so basically security clearances would weed out people that may have broken laws and not gotten caught. Basically anyone posting in this thread would be unable to attain a high level clearance.





again, incorrect

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/felons-in-office/
Q: Can a convicted felon serve in elected office?

A: The Constitution allows a convicted felon, such as Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, to be a member of Congress, even if in prison. It’s up to the Senate or House to decide who may serve. As for state offices, different laws apply in different places.

he Constitution requires that members of the House and Senate fulfill three requirements:

    * All members of the House must be at least 25 years old, and members of the Senate must be at least 30 years old.
    * Members of the House must have been a U.S. citizen for at least seven years, and members of the Senate must have been a U.S. citizen for at least nine years.
    * They have to be an "inhabitant" of the state "when elected."

As a result, according to the Congressional Research Service, committing a crime cannot constitutionally disqualify someone from serving in Congress. And the state has no say in determining whether or not someone is qualified to serve in the House or Senate

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Re: Do Congressman have to have a security clearance? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14806160 - 07/21/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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You are right.  Read the book, "A Bright Shining Lie"  its about John Vann.  The book tells of how he beat the polygraph, he had lots of skeletons in the closet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Vann (the next to last quote is not accurate) Technically he retired, but it was a resignation over America's Policy.

He was the highest civilian to ever hold the title of field marshall in the US Army.





The United States has never used the rank of field marshal

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Re: Do Congressman have to have a security clearance? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14806300 - 07/21/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

im going away now, continue your fun.


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Re: Do Congressman have to have a security clearance? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14806349 - 07/22/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"The United States has never used the rank of field marshal"

Don't get tight pris, I was just using that as description of his level because he was a civilian CIA operator. 


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