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OfflineHidingInPlainSight
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WhaT IF????!?
    #1480157 - 04/21/03 09:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i've been thinking...

what if our brains are programmed to see what "we" are supposed to see, and there are other beings that have their brains programmed to see what their "supposed" to see.

like our brains are programmed to match our world.. and other beings brains are programmed to match their world.. but we are all in the same space!?!?

for example..

what if our minds are programmed so whenever we walk up to walls we know to stop, and that we cannot walk throught the walls because they are "solid" and we see them their. but, if another being who's brain isn't programmed like that can walk right through it because they cannot see the wall and don't even know that it's their. their minds are programmed to match a completely different world!!!!

and what if a "short circuit" happens in our brains causing us to get a glimpse of something of another world like a UFO?? or ghost??


i think our brains are programmed to only be able to hear certain sounds, see certain things, feel certain things, smell certain things, and taste certain things etc..

everybody please try to help clarify what im trying to say because everything is stored in my brain i just can't seem to find the words to express it.

something happened to me on a salvia trip & a mushroom trip.. i felt like a "higher being" was storing information in my brain that is yet to be unlocked.... kind of like packets of information being stored but i cannot open these packets.... YeT!!!



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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #1480273 - 04/21/03 10:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That sounds kind of like the idea that reality is created by conciousness.

What if you do not observe reality because it is there, reality is there because you observe it?

Think about it.

Salvia did the same thing to me man. The doubting is still there.


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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: trendal]
    #1480331 - 04/21/03 10:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Makes sense, trippy thought. Hey humans can't hear dog whistles. Our ears are not trained to hear that high pitch. The only reason we know it exists is because of a little bit of technology and because dogs can hear it. Im sure that there are many things that are all around that humans or anything living (tat we know of) cannot pick up.


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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #1480355 - 04/21/03 10:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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what if our minds are programmed so whenever we walk up to walls we know to stop, and that we cannot walk throught the walls because they are "solid" and we see them their. but, if another being who's brain isn't programmed like that can walk right through it because they cannot see the wall and don't even know that it's their. their minds are programmed to match a completely different world!!!!





Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that our bodies are programmed to never walk through walls, rather than our minds? 

We might have to use our minds to alter our bodies to walk through walls.  But that doesn't mean you think really hard about it, then it magically happens.  No, you gotta use your mind to develop the technology that would allow you to "hack" reality.  Our minds are separated from many aspects of reality, by many layers.  My brain is more connected to my spine than anything else, and my spine is more connected to my nerves, and my nerves are more connected to my senses, and so on.

The truth is we can't hack this reality without the aid of our hands.  In fact I hacked into my buddies' server yesterday, looked at all his porn, and left a note on his screen saying so!  :wink: All by pressing buttons in a pattern. 


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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #1480582 - 04/22/03 12:01 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

On a strange mushroom trip i saw two monks walking along, but was in such awe and i never got to show them my presence. Open eye hallucinations are a strange thing. Could all just be self created from my brain, but who knows for certain. Another time I saw a being that it's energy force grabbed me and made me follow it for the few seconds it was visible. So far from my experience in this reality i can't manipulate matter. But maybe in the next creation i will be able to.  :grin: Great topic.

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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #1481250 - 04/22/03 03:21 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think its certainly a possibility that there are different spectrums/layers/planes/focal-points? of existence that we don't (yet? normally?) have access to through our senses.. I've always been very intrigued by this idea, but find it very difficult to discuss.

And Droz - you certainly can manipulate matter.. you typed that message, didn't you?


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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1481602 - 04/22/03 07:40 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Not really what i meant, i was thinking more on the lines of a mental atribute, like moving objects without any physical force. I wonder if people could actually focus and create an external energy force that could do such thing. Now that would be neat.


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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: Droz]
    #1481645 - 04/22/03 08:20 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

golly, sounds like the richard bach book _illusions_
:wink:


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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: superfine]
    #1481717 - 04/22/03 09:15 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Hey humans can't hear dog whistles. Our ears are not trained to hear that high pitch. The only reason we know it exists is because of a little bit of technology and because dogs can hear it.



Exactly my point.
So what if we could programm our sight, hearing, feelings, taste, and sound to perceive everything the world or other world have to offer us... with the use of psychedelics.  :cool: 


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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #1483044 - 04/22/03 05:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I have a strong feeling on this idea
I love where it comes from and what its about

I don't think things are programmed, its all what you believe and how you were raised and your experiences, if you run into a wall and get hurt then you won't want to do that again will you? everybody thinks there is this certain 'reality' but i think its all just how WE SEE IT, if you believe in something then that 'something' IS TRUE for you
We get used to seeing certain things as bad or good and possible or impossible, but i think thers no limit and that you can change how you think and how you see, if you want to think that you cant do things like this then ofcourse your never going to do it, but i believe that theres no limit to the mind and what you can do with it

We make our own dreams basically, and we think reality is the opposite.. but i dont think this is completely true, i think you can see things however you want, remember that there is no right or wrong and possible or impossible and that its just how your mind sees it, break these boundaries that you think exist with your mind and make your mind more free from these boundaries that you believe exist

I could say alot more but it might come out as garbage or hard to understand so i think i might prepare a better way to say it or word it...

S W A Y


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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: SWAY]
    #1485378 - 04/23/03 09:21 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

yes... i think if someone believes there is something that isn't there.. and keeps believeing it.. it will actually become a part of their reality.


Edited by HidingInPlainSight (04/23/03 09:23 AM)


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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #1486576 - 04/23/03 04:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

First we are born, then we learn to walk and then talk, we are taught certain rules by our parents and other people and the environment, if you touched something hot you would get burned and would probably cry and make you somewhat afraid of anything hot like that or anything similar, when you are raised your parents tell you things and school tells you things, you take all the things you have learned based on experiences (environment, people's teachings, school etc) and shape how you see the world and everything around you

If you were born in a christian house then you were probably taught constantly about god and right and wrong and all of that stuff, you would see the world differently than somebody who wasn't raised in a christian house, and you may say to somebody that "you must believe in god, or you're going to hell" and that "you know what right and wrong is" or something along those lines, you were preached to strongly as a child about christianity and therefore see things in that certain way and may think that everybody knows what 'right' and 'wrong' is and that if somebody does drugs or something that it is 'wrong' and they will go to hell or something like that, and.. well thats only from your point of view because you were brought up in that kind of house and raised and were taught these things, somebody who wasnt brought up the exact same way as you and has had the same experiences ofcourse isn't going to see things the same way

What is above is just an example, but i think what is extremely common now days (even more than christanity by alot) is that there are boundaries, boundaries that limit your mind from exploring further alot of the time and trying new things, i think that these boundaries should be destroyed in a way that you don't limit yourself (which society automaticaly does) and so you can try new and different things that you wouldn't have done if you thought it was impossible and probably wouldn't even attempt to think much about it, but if you could see these boundaries as invisible so you could explore more then your mind wouldn't be as affected by society and you could lead a very different life or find out amazing things or prove something enough so that you affect society, *to me there is no golden rule about anything or that anything is definite and can not be investigated or questioned or explored further*, plus if you can change your mind to think this way you might become so much more creative that the effects might be devastating, you might see the world or this reality so differently or learn how to do new things (that if you were living in the world of 'boundaries' you would never even consider)

Since i believe that nothing is for sure or definite and probably never will be then why not explore further? we might all be rats in a lab, or like in the matrix where we are constantly dreaming, and who says after we die that we are 'dead' and go to _____ ( heaven/hell, reincarnation, w/e), who says we can't float or enter a different reality, who says there is such thing as 'reality', who says we have to believe everything we hear or experience completely because it is what everybody else believes?

I believe reality is only how we see it, and that if we take a step back away from all the little details that are going on in our life that it may be symbolic and surprising whats going on, i dont think everything is 'coincidence' or that luck really exists

I believe that everything is connected some how or some way, everything is symbolic, and that there is *no golden rule about anything that makes anything definite or for certain, and that we can't try to question or investigate further*

Maybe when you run into a wall and you fall back and get hurt its cuz somebody doesn't want you to do it again? im not saying go run into a wall but actually try considering what others may not and try thinking outside of the box and try going in a different direction

This is only what i believe, what you believe may be entirely different, but i strongly encourage you to consider what others may not consider

i'm not very good with words so if you read this far thx

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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: SWAY]
    #1511531 - 05/01/03 03:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

*bump!*


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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #1511912 - 05/01/03 06:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

If you can believe this...not too hard... think about the possibilities just in space in other solar systems/galaxies that we can percieve with our own eyes. And if you can believe this why not believe that there are literally infinite possibilities upon infinite possibilities within...you get my point. The pieces fit from many perspectives and many question where does it begin/end...well guess what it just IS. Ever have a hard time understanding God in terms of omnipotent omnipresent etc? Well here is your understanding you are alive aren't you?
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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: You_are_God]
    #1513501 - 05/02/03 01:22 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

no actually i am told that i am alive, i do not know that for a fact. alive denotes its opposite, dead, and i do not even know if death exsists yet, for i have not experienced it.


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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #1514190 - 05/02/03 09:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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and i do not even know if death exsists yet, for i have not experienced it.



^^^^^^^^^^^^
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    #1514744 - 05/02/03 02:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

death does exist...it is a change in consciousness. You do not have to experience death to see that some change occurs in people at the "end" of this lifetime and they leave their physical bodies behind. Indeed there is no true beginning or end but in this reality there is...do you believe that a dream begins and ends? I guess anything can be refuted and in that the only one you can trust is yourself but hey at least you are thinking..Great job thats farther than most people get. You have to have faith to believe anything at all why not have faith in the fact that big brother and other people do not know what they are talking about in respect to you and your personal journey and that you do not need facts or concrete evidence. Give me concrete evidence that you are alive...NOW...what do you mean you cant? i thought that was a given? is anything a given?
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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: You_are_God]
    #1516239 - 05/03/03 12:51 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

If I wasn't alive then how could I post this? I get sick, because I have a body that LIVES and skin cells that DIE and fall off constantly... want proof? Wipe your finger across the TV screen and see all the dust... DEAD SKIN CELLS. For when I am sick, I cannot think correctly, feel like shit, and vomit. A body that is dead (Yes, DEAD BODIES EXIST!) cannot do any of the above. It is not alive. I am.


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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: DrubuShrume]
    #1518535 - 05/04/03 01:02 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

someobdy had to have told you that those were dead cells. what do you know is dead for sure? you don't. maybe death does not even exist; you think it does because you were told it was.


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Re: WhaT IF????!? [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #1518554 - 05/04/03 01:13 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It's a universal fact that thoughts create reality. Yet there is different levels of understanding. We are spiritual beings, having human experiences first and foremost. While in the physical realm, we tend to forget about the spiritual one which we came from. So through our experiences, we begin to fit the pieces together, and as we come to higher levels of understanding of our environment, ourselves, and the nature of reality.. we begin to remember the 'unseen' realm..that place of pure energy and creation. What is required in this process is a harmonization of the two hemispheres of the brain, and a merging of conscious and subconscious thought. When we operate in the subconscious, we are much more aware of the 'deeper' things which control our reality.


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