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BitTorrent: What the fuck?
    #14792865 - 07/19/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've been downloading torrents for as long as I can remember. Never had a problem.

Now, I've had 3 notices from my ISP for downloading copyrighted material. Not threatening, just alerting me that it's happening, because it could be something out of my control. Obviously, I have to stop doing what I'm doing, or risk the consequences.

My question: is there a way to download torrents without allowing myself to be tracked? Is there a way to share files other than bittorrent that I'm not aware of that might be better than torrents?

These RIAA and DMCA fuckers think they're going to stop piracy. HA!

They're going to have to start releasing movies and music in a format that can only play on a dedicated player, and even then, someone will convert it within a couple hours. The people.

Movies are one thing, music is another. What kind of *real* musicians wouldn't want their music to be free and available to everyone? I understand they have to make a living, but some of the best music comes from underground musicians before they ever see a dime. All I'm saying is, these anti-piracy people think that online copyright infringement is costing our economy billions, and costing Americans' their jobs, when in reality they're just trying to make their point and steal money from people. (the point is "we have more money than you and we will show you who's boss").

Anyone care to enlighten me? Maybe tell me I'm terribly misled?

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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: Jeebies]
    #14792893 - 07/19/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Are you using public trackers?

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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14793023 - 07/19/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

In utorrent, preferences tab, bittorrent: I have checks in all but Enable DHT Network, Enable DHT for new torrents, and limit local peer bandwidth.

Also, outgoing protocol encryption says "disabled" there is a check by "allow incoming legacy connections"

Is one of my settings what is making it so easy for them to figure out exactly what I'm downloading?!

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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: Jeebies]
    #14793077 - 07/19/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No, the trackers you are going too.  Places like the Pirate Bay and Demonoid are public, anybody can join and view everybody else who is connected's IP.  Its better to use invite only private sites, then if a narc joins he gets booted and people get alerted.  Or, use newsgroups/usenet - its a bit safer than torrents.

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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14793113 - 07/19/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I definitely use piratebay. and they've definitely had some publicity lately...

Know of any good private sites? What am I missing out on here?

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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: Jeebies]
    #14793312 - 07/19/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lemme guess, the new harry potter movie?  as others stated, private sites are safe, public ones are not.


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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: iateshaggy]
    #14793331 - 07/19/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Let me fix that just a little bit,

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lemme guess, the new harry potter movie?  as others stated, private sites are safer, public ones are not.



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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: iateshaggy]
    #14793380 - 07/19/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

actually no,

movies that came out in 2009.

So what are some good private sites? can you recommend any?

Edited by Jeebies (07/19/11 04:27 PM)

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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: Jeebies]
    #14794227 - 07/19/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

vpn + usenet = very happy


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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: Seuss]
    #14794525 - 07/19/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

maybe you could give a quick tutorial on how you have yours set up?

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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: Jeebies]
    #14794635 - 07/19/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Try using PeerBlock. http://www.peerblock.com/

It blocks incoming and outgoing connections to Internet IP addresses that are included on blocklists accessible over the Internet which may be selected by the user, but also any addresses manually specified by the user.

^^^ I took that bit from the Wiki. It's a phenomenal program.


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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: r72rock]
    #14794697 - 07/19/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My biggest problem is that I don't understand how all this shit works, and therefore don't understand exactly how they can figure me out. So obviously there's no way I can understand HOW I can NOT be identified.

"don't do it, it's illegal, blahblahblah"

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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: Jeebies]
    #14795105 - 07/19/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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My biggest problem is that I don't understand how all this shit works, and therefore don't understand exactly how they can figure me out. So obviously there's no way I can understand HOW I can NOT be identified.

"don't do it, it's illegal, blahblahblah"





You can join a private tracker.  You generally need to be invited by someone you know personally.  I am a member of quite a few, but I am not a member of any private movie tracker.  When it comes to fetching movies I use usenet like Seuss mentions.  Usenet costs a small amount of money per month, but is the fastest and safest way to go. 

Ask some of your friends about private torrent trackers, and look for a FAQ or intro to using usenet/newsgroups.

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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: Seuss]
    #14796619 - 07/20/11 07:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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vpn + usenet = very happy




^^this is the only thing that will save you, and i imagine eventually they will find a way around that as well. 

"private" places are obviously not private if you can get hooked up in under an hour with an invite.  Peerblock uses a list to block access to those trying to watch you, the problem is it can only block what is on it, which is only a small fraction of whats out there.  and utorrent is kind of sketchy, vuze is a nicer program with more features


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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14796640 - 07/20/11 07:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That happened to me, I just turned to jdownloader and warez-bb only use torrents about 3 times a year as a last resort.

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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: Seuss]
    #14797056 - 07/20/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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vpn + usenet = very happy




This is especially true if you have a really good broadband connection.  Since getting DOCSIS 3.0 I can download at 40 Mbps from USENET.  I've been using Giganews because they give their Diamond service for like $17 a month, and if you cancel they'll email you in a week giving you another 50% off.  It gives you a free 256-bit VPN using UDP encapsulation as well as SSL.  Neither of these slow down the download speeds.  It's a bit more difficult to get legitimate downloads, but if you go the USENET route then pick stuff with a longer retention time.


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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14797599 - 07/20/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've gotten a few notices after using demonoid, so I avoid that for most things. There are actually quite a few awesome private trackers, and like everyone else said; usenet/private trackers/VPN services/peerblocker etc... Notices dont really mean much, the worst they will do is suspend your service for a minute, but they will be very reluctant to permanently ban you or sue you. Just be careful, avoid public nonsense.


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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: snoot]
    #14797839 - 07/20/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Peerblock uses a list to block access to those trying to watch you, the problem is it can only block what is on it, which is only a small fraction of whats out there.  and utorrent is kind of sketchy, vuze is a nicer program with more features




Very true, but while using Peerblock, it's better to block a fraction than nothing. :lol:

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I've gotten a few notices after using demonoid, so I avoid that for most things. There are actually quite a few awesome private trackers, and like everyone else said; usenet/private trackers/VPN services/peerblocker etc... Notices dont really mean much, the worst they will do is suspend your service for a minute, but they will be very reluctant to permanently ban you or sue you. Just be careful, avoid public nonsense.




Yeah, my buddy's received a couple of notices, and all they really tell him to do is to stop sharing it, and to take it off his shared drive. It's not really a big deal. Your ISP doesn't really care what you're downloading, all they care is that you're paying money to use their bandwidth. They have to abide by laws though, so they kinda tell you to just knock it off. But if it was up to them, you could download all you wanted. :smirk:


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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: Jeebies]
    #14798559 - 07/20/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I've been downloading torrents for as long as I can remember. Never had a problem.

Now, I've had 3 notices from my ISP for downloading copyrighted material. Not threatening, just alerting me that it's happening, because it could be something out of my control. Obviously, I have to stop doing what I'm doing, or risk the consequences.

My question: is there a way to download torrents without allowing myself to be tracked? Is there a way to share files other than bittorrent that I'm not aware of that might be better than torrents?

These RIAA and DMCA fuckers think they're going to stop piracy. HA!

They're going to have to start releasing movies and music in a format that can only play on a dedicated player, and even then, someone will convert it within a couple hours. The people.

Movies are one thing, music is another. What kind of *real* musicians wouldn't want their music to be free and available to everyone? I understand they have to make a living, but some of the best music comes from underground musicians before they ever see a dime. All I'm saying is, these anti-piracy people think that online copyright infringement is costing our economy billions, and costing Americans' their jobs, when in reality they're just trying to make their point and steal money from people. (the point is "we have more money than you and we will show you who's boss").

Anyone care to enlighten me? Maybe tell me I'm terribly misled?



Wow, you sure have a self righteous attitude for someone who is basically doing what amounts to theft of something that lots of people have spent lots of time and energy to produce. 

Yes, the reality is that it is and probably will continue to be easy to pirate media thanks to technology(The People:nut:).  Why you go directly from that to a complete fuck you attitude towards the artist I'll never understand.  I guess that's how you rationalize your gratuitous theft.

Yes, most "*real*" musicians are simply happy to have people hear and appreciate their work.  And heaven forbid they should be able to expect some support from the people who consume their efforts so eagerly.  You are basically saying that the work of an artist has no tangible value and those assholes should just be grateful that you are willing to listen to/watch their work.  What a little shit you appear to be.

As for the multiple letters, you are getting them because you are probably one of those assholes who downloads and seeds huge amounts constantly, especially newer shit that studios have a lot invested in like the absolutely lame Harry Potter films that you probably enjoy thoroughly.  It's no help to the downloading "community" but if you limit how much you upload you're less likely to trigger a response from those stupid fuckers who dare question your thoughtless theft.  So basically, just leech and don't seed - should come naturally for someone with a thieving disposition.

I love your last point the most, "moies are one thing, music is another".  You're saying you can see why movie studios want their money but musicians can just fuck themselves.  Question, have you ever bought music directly from an artist?  Pretty sure I already know the answer to that question.  These days you can usually do it on their website for a few dollars, not that you ever will since musicians are just here for your fickle entertainment and certainly aren't worthy of any support from you.  Just jesters in your mind where you and your interests are king. 

And your last point is just hilarious, "in reality they're just trying to make their point and steal money from people".
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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: Viveka]
    #14799806 - 07/20/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You're right, it is a little self righteous of me, but don't think I have a "fuck you attitude" towards the artist.

I really don't know how to respond to you, because it seems you have too much contempt for me to be reasonable.

I own most of my favorite movies, albums, etc. If I like it, I buy it. I buy tickets, and go to shows, supporting my favorite artists. I support the local scene in my city, and am an active musician.

You've made me take a look at myself, and why I use torrents, and I still don't feel that bad. 

Why do you automatically assume that I am 100% against any kind of support for the artist? I absolutely show support.

I do not download or upload massive amounts of data for shits and grins. I use torrents to download dated stuff, never to watch anything new. Fuck, I see new movies IN THE THEATER, then wait 2 years before I might download it. I seed appropriately, but not so much to draw attention. I do not make copies, or burn anything to disc.

Are you really so honest that you don't download anything without paying for it?

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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: Jeebies]
    #14800356 - 07/20/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I do not download or upload massive amounts of data for shits and grins.




I do.  :grin: :poop: :grin:

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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: snoot]
    #14800571 - 07/20/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I've gotten a few notices after using demonoid, so I avoid that for most things. There are actually quite a few awesome private trackers, and like everyone else said; usenet/private trackers/VPN services/peerblocker etc... Notices dont really mean much, the worst they will do is suspend your service for a minute, but they will be very reluctant to permanently ban you or sue you. Just be careful, avoid public nonsense.




those notices are warnings, for continued repeat offenders who continue to get 4 of those a week/month eventually some other measure will be taken.

I read an article not 2 long ago where obama/congress w/e was writting out guidelines over this very issue.  "rehab" was one of the things on the list a class that you pay for and have to attend regarding pirating and why its bad.  There was 4 other measures on the list as well, however disconnecting your ISP was specifically left off the list.  I think thats because some places were starting to say broadband is now considered a... dang whats the word im looking for, basic human right or something along those lines.  Truth however is disconnecting people from the internet permently would be huge damage to the economy.


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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14801883 - 07/21/11 06:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've had so many US Customs seizure letters it isn't funny, but I'd take those DMCA/whatever-the-fuck they're called letters pretty seriously. 

Doesn't anyone in a swarm get your MAC address as well as your IP?  So if you already got busted it wouldn't matter if you go to Starbucks or a cyber cafe(if they exist still)?

I know the cool thing about P2P is that it's free, but it's really worth it to try usenet as Seuss said.  I took his advice and haven't looked back.  At the start it can be a bit daunting to learn how to find some stuff, but there are plenty of web articles out there about it.  The user base for usenet is different than that of P2P as well, and you can find some really obscure stuff.  I've never pirated music because I like to support bands I like, and most of the movies I've purchased from usenet I bought in the past(over 200 DVD's stolen from my locker in the Navy). 

Like I said before, I use Giganews because I don't mind paying $17 for 50 connections, unlimited bandwidth, SSL, and a VPN.  It's even cheaper than that at a lot of other places.


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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14802053 - 07/21/11 07:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

> Doesn't anyone in a swarm get your MAC address as well as your IP?

No.  MAC addresses are layer 2 (data link layer) where IP is layer 3 (network layer).


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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: Seuss]
    #14827836 - 07/26/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Theoretical question, if u own something in one format, ie fallout new vegas on xbox, is it wrong to download it in another format, ie fallout new vegas for pc?

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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: Admon420]
    #14829493 - 07/26/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yes, because they charge for both, also they are wrote completely different altho usually ported so it doesn't take much effort from them still it costs them extra money.  And if your wondering if that would work as an excuss in court, no.


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Re: BitTorrent: What the fuck? [Re: Jeebies]
    #14856524 - 08/01/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's sad how people can't understand that because value was traditionally based on scarcity, and any digital products cannot inherently have scarcity, they have no immediate material value. As we move forward the purchases will be made in good faith by the capable, businesses who are held to lawful agreement, and to access convenient use of features such as membership in systems such as Blizzard's Battle Net.

EA, I believe has specifically mentioned they will not be suing people, but rather designing their video games with features that make playing without a purchase a lesser experience- probably servers on their end with registered accounts that can be controlled.

So, while there will always be ways for digital products to remain marketable those methods will not be the same as any physical product. The digital revolution thing is still in it's adolescence, and it's just now beginning to fully impact how we exchange media. I find the life -crippling punishments for copyright and IP law infraction disgusting, as this was not historically the original intent of these laws. Meanwhile, draconian laws are being combined with impunity for content holders that is indefinitely stunting the public domain. See Disney. In essence, big corporate America is assuming the right to own culture itself.

Movies, for example will always remain profitable in a theaters, music performance will always draw a concert crowd. I can already hear the top 40 on the radio by turn of a dial in every room in my house- and I would unlikely be sued for taping that broadcast. Yet that action would unlikely receive the acidic response from those who believe in IP law as would torrenting that same information. Similar story for recording my favorite movies in HD when they're played on TV. So there's some cognitive dissonance there.

Regardless of what you believe about right and wrong, copying data cannot be stopped. Instead of focusing on how to obscenely punish a select few average people who are probably also consumers and also spend money on media when they can anyway, it would be smarter to think-tank new ways to turn a profit legitimately in parallel with the copying. Look at Netflix, Pandora, Live365, Steam etc.

The MPAA and RIAA in particular seem to be dying in a litigious shitstorm. They no longer have a central necessity, and so they've fallen on victimizing a few people out of millions that represent a cultural trend for-profit.

In many cases, they force you to "settle" out of court, essentially blackmailing you for any amount of money they desire- if you resit they can use convolution of the definition of "a work violated" and the insane penalties to essentially doom you to a life in debt to them. A CD is 13 violations, etc.  That's not a punishment befitting the crime.


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