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Rising U.S. Opposition to the war in libya
    #14778396 - 07/16/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The majority of Americans, regardless of their political party affiliations, do not approve of the US involvement in the Libyan war, a recent poll shows.


According to a recent CBS News poll, six out of 10 American Democrats, Republicans, and independents think the US should not be involved in the unpopular war on Libya, The Atlantic reported.

The poll found that while 60 percent of the people opposed the Libyan war, only 30 percent of Americans feel their country is heading in the right direction with its military involvement in the North African country.

A similar CBS poll conducted back in March found that seven out of 10 Americans supported the US military intervention to protect Libyan civilians from the country's ruler Muammar Gaddafi's forces.

US President Barack Obama's approval of US military action in crisis-hit Libya without prior congressional consent has outraged many US lawmakers.

NATO has been dominating the airstrikes campaign against Libyan forces, while the United States has been providing intelligence and military support as well.

NATO is tasked with implementing a no-fly zone over Libya in accordance with UN Security Council Resolution 1973, which was approved in March.

According to Libya's government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim, the NATO military campaign has killed over 718 civilians and wounded more than 4,000 people in the North African county over the past 10 weeks.

Libya has been the scene of fierce fighting between Gaddafi's troops and anti-regime forces since mid-February. Revolutionary forces want an end to Gaddafi's decades-long rule.





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PCN-SPO/PRESS REVIEW :
(2011.06.24) / OPPOSITION TO LIBYA WAR CLIMBING IN US : HO...USE REJECTS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING US MISSION IN LIBYA

Service de Presse du PCN / REVUE DE PRESSE /
PCN-NCP Press Office / PRESS REVIEW :
Titles and comments/Titres et commentaires : Luc MICHEL
Tags/recherches : Karel HUYBRECHTS
(From : The New York Times / Associated Press / CBS News)

According to a recent CBS News poll, six out of ten American Democrats, Republicans, and independents think the US should not be involved in the unpopular war on Libya.

“House Rejects Resolution Authorizing US Mission in Libya”, comment THE NEW YORK TIMES (24 June 2011) :
The House on Friday resoundingly rejected a measure that would have authorized the United States’ mission in Libya, with 70 Democrats deserting President Obama on an issue that has divided their party and became a major Constitutional flash point between Congress and the White House. The resolution — one of two the House took up Friday — failed 295 to 123, with an overwhelming majority of Republicans voting no (...) Over the last few months, there has been increasing hostility toward the Obama administration in the House among both Democrats who oppose the war and many Republicans, who cite Constitutional issues, over the president’s refusal to seek authorization from Congress for the operations in Libya. They say such authorization is required by the 1973 War Powers Resolution.
Under that law, presidents must terminate unauthorized deployments 60 days after notifying Congress that they have begun. If what the United States military is doing in Libya constitutes “hostilities” — the administration argues that it does not — then that deadline passed on May 20. Speaker John A. Boehner has repeatedly warned President Obama that the House considers the situation untenable and would seek to intervene through resolutions and its power of the purse (...)
The House then quickly moved to debate a second resolution, sponsored by Representative Thomas Rooney, Republican of Florida, that would prohibit the use of money for military operations in Libya, allowing financing only for support operations like search and rescue, aerial refueling, operational planning, and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance — essentially requiring an end to direct American combat activity like missile strikes. The measure, which has the support of Republican leadership, was intended to severely limit America’s role while not completely leaving NATO allies in the lurch.
The Senate, controlled by Democrats, is not expected to pass such a measure and therefore it is unlikely to have any practical effect on the Libyan operations. Still, the measure would send a strong signal to Mr. Obama that he lacked full Congressional support, reflecting in large part a nation weary of war”.

THE NEW YORK TIMES comment also the action against Obama of the democrat Congressman Kucinich :
“The secretary (Clinton) was there to make the case on behalf of the administration on why they want to continue the war,” said Representative Dennis J. Kucinich, Democrat of Ohio, one of the attendees. He added: “It would appear inside the caucus that there is a split on this, and I think the fact that the secretary came over tells you a couple things. One, that the White House is very concerned about the vote, and second, that there is a sudden awareness that the fact that the administration has ignored Congress may carry with it a price.”
“A bipartisan group of representatives will also offer an amendment to a Pentagon appropriations bill, which may be voted on as early as Friday, which would further cut funding for intelligence and operational support in Libya, and end all activities by October. It is not clear how much support that measure would have if the more limited resolution offered by Mr. Rooney passes”.

“Opposition to Libya war climbing in US” in all the Country and all the social and political wings, analyse AP (Jun 21, 2011) :
“The opposition to US role in the Libyan conflict is climbing among American nationals and lawmakers, as American military embarks on a three-month action in the North African state.
The feeling among Americans over the US involvement in killing both pro- and anti-Gaddafi forces in Libya has become more divided and the number of people speaking out against NATO's bombing campaign in the crisis-hit country is climbing, a Press correspondent reports. Anti-war activists have expressed concerns about the Libyan war, arguing that the United States is pursuing its own objectives and interests in the strife-ridden Libya”.
“Well, it's under the guise of protecting civilians. That's what Resolution 1973 authorizes.”
“It's clearly designed to overthrow the government in Libya,” said National Coordinator of ANSWER Coalition Brian Becker. “They want in Libya to have a government that functions as a client or a proxy of Western powers. So it's about oil and it's about power. It's about both,” he added.
“In recent days, the White House has come under harsh criticism from lawmakers that don't believe Washington's involvement in Libya is legally justified.
Experts say Libya is costing the US 10 million dollars a day and Democrats and Republicans have jointly filed a lawsuit with a federal court, charging that US President Barack Obama is in violation of both the Constitution and the War Powers Act. The congressional critics of the move floated the possibility of defunding US military operations in Libya, or invoking the War Powers Act in order to put an end to the conflict there. However, the Obama administration says that the president doesn't need congressional authorization because the US role in the conflict is not significant enough.
The War Powers Resolution passed by US Congress in 1973, gives the US president the power to use the US military for up to 60 days without seeking congressional authorization.
Obama's deadline to seek authorization from Congress was May 20. Even though his administration had earlier agreed that the War Powers Act did apply, he changed course over the past week, insisting that it is a special case”.

The United States is largely responsible for air raids carried out in Libya and providing logistical support for NATO air raids on the North African country.
“We have drone strikes that are going on in Libya. We have probably people on the ground from the CIA in Libya. We have personnel helping outside Libya,” said Policy director of Peace Action Paul Martin. "People are being killed, bombs are being dropped. That's hostility as far as I am concerned,” he added.
NATO launched a major air campaign against forces of the Libyan regime in mid-March under a UN mandate to “protect the Libyan population.”Afficher la suite
Par : PCN-NCP Press Office - Service de Presse du PCN




Some people werein favor of a no-fly zone but they were all fucked over as always ,just like those who were cautious about saddam's weapon of mass destruction. If US imperialism is to be changed or needs to stop seeing the world through the glass of dictatorship vs republics. then it has to be opposed right away, before it lies to us, because the politicians simply will do. there is no middle side in war.

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Re: Rising U.S. Opposition to the war in libya [Re: communeart]
    #14778739 - 07/16/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm in favor.

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Re: Rising U.S. Opposition to the war in libya [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14779120 - 07/16/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Kill him, boys.

:peace:

I don't like qaddaffi but I don't want my tax dollars going to towards the future of lybians.

Even though I have a daughter named Libby.


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Re: Rising U.S. Opposition to the war in libya [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14781587 - 07/17/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm in favor.




In france, a lady named Eva joly. is a green, and recently came out in the media in opposition to the 14 july military parade in france, claiming that the 14 july parade on the national day should be replaced by a citizen parade .

About Libya, in her own words: I am 100% behind the intervention, i want us to stay within the framework of the United Nations, It is hard to wage a war without troops on the ground, so we brought helicopters to help us augment the performance of those interventions. We knew from the beginning that it would be difficult in the sense that the mandate was limited to the air space. If that is to be changed, it must be on the decision of the UN.



Michel Collon: Here in libya, children die at night, because of NATO. and all children are traumatised. this morning, an employee at my hotel said that his 3 year old daughter was having nightmare every night, and was back to peeing in her bed. this is done in our name, us europeans, and our money pays for the bomb.

Eva joly is to the left and Michel Collon to the right



In france and the european left, the The pro-western imperialist are made up of people who are disrespectful of the military institutions, yet quite keen on sacrifying babies in order to throw a soldier out of power. This specific kind of demographics includes students and teacher, who are idealist without the sacrifice required to live up such idealism, to renounce material wealth. as a group, both the mainstream left and mainstream right have something in common, a subservience shown in the peculiar positions they take to justify what is required in the moment and a lack of justification for their actions in literature and ideology. the true work guiding our society being conveniently hidden from public view . We must break the left and right paradigm, simply because the left and the right of our society cooperate to kick anyone who propose a different left and right equilibrium and that is the only true change in our society possible.

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Re: Rising U.S. Opposition to the war in libya [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14782054 - 07/17/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Most folks I talked to weren't in favor at the onset of our involment.


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Re: Rising U.S. Opposition to the war in libya [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14785967 - 07/18/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If France didn't "intervene" in our revolution, we might still have the queen on our currency. :tongue:

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Re: Rising U.S. Opposition to the war in libya [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14785990 - 07/18/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

While this is true, I still do not believe it is our duty to prop up the rest of the world unless we clearly gain something from it. I have a feeling that whoever ends up in charge will not align with our interest.


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Re: Rising U.S. Opposition to the war in libya [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
    #14786005 - 07/18/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I have a feeling that whoever ends up in charge will not align with our interest.




Agreed.

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    #14787596 - 07/18/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I have a feeling that whoever ends up in charge will not align with our interest.




What gives you that feeling?

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Re: Rising U.S. Opposition to the war in libya [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14787620 - 07/18/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

How these things have worked in the past in that region, the fact that the revolution is just a bunch of kids playing war, different way of life, etc.


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