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Method other than science to gain understanding?
    #14781365 - 07/17/11 01:54 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I have heard this claim thousands of times, but not one clearly defining what this astounding alternative is.

For the duration of this thread let us limit understanding to mean general non-personal understanding; i.e. understanding the mechanics of the world; not that one should let go of the past or forgive or some other personal psychological issue.


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14781373 - 07/17/11 01:56 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

WEE GEE board.

What did I win?


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: Icelander]
    #14781379 - 07/17/11 01:58 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

You won a Ouiji board!



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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14781395 - 07/17/11 02:04 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
I have heard this claim thousands of times, but not one clearly defining what this astounding alternative is.

For the duration of this thread let us limit understanding to mean general non-personal understanding; i.e. understanding the mechanics of the world; not that one should let go of the past or forgive or some other personal psychological issue.





philosophy


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Being unable to make what is just strong,
we have made what is strong just. -- Pascal

Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: Kickle]
    #14781399 - 07/17/11 02:05 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Example, please.


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14781412 - 07/17/11 02:08 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I can form a philosophy to understand the world that includes science, personal experience, and external experiences. Or I can form a philosophy to understand that includes experience but excludes science. Or I can form a philosophy to understand the world that relies exclusively on science.

Philosophy is a flexible means of understanding the world that is not solely dependent upon science.


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: Kickle]
    #14781448 - 07/17/11 02:15 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the vague, non-example. :rolleyes:


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14781453 - 07/17/11 02:16 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

What are you hoping to gain from this post if not understanding? Is this a scientific post? Could I replicate your method and get the same results?


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14781469 - 07/17/11 02:20 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
I have heard this claim thousands of times, but not one clearly defining what this astounding alternative is.

For the duration of this thread let us limit understanding to mean general non-personal understanding; i.e. understanding the mechanics of the world; not that one should let go of the past or forgive or some other personal psychological issue.




Havnt you sort of created a tautology? If you consider only the mechanics of the world, then obviously science is the important method of inquiry.
What if 'understanding the mechanics of the world' is one of various things to understand? In that case, science is just one important method of inquiry.


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14781535 - 07/17/11 02:34 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Not sure what you are driving at, but if you gave a solid example.


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14781541 - 07/17/11 02:36 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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You won a Ouiji board!





:sad:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: Icelander]
    #14781550 - 07/17/11 02:38 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

It was either that or an old, stamped plastic toy from a Crackerjacks box.


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14781555 - 07/17/11 02:39 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

:laugh:  I'll take that.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14781578 - 07/17/11 02:44 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
I have heard this claim thousands of times, but not one clearly defining what this astounding alternative is.

For the duration of this thread let us limit understanding to mean general non-personal understanding; i.e. understanding the mechanics of the world; not that one should let go of the past or forgive or some other personal psychological issue.



Direct experience, obviously.

I mean, you don't have anything else.


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14781656 - 07/17/11 03:03 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Direct experience, obviously.

I mean, you don't have anything else.




:thumbup:

Isn't science all about gaining direct experience to either verify or dismiss.

Wilber's Sense and Soul addresses this very topic.


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14782038 - 07/17/11 04:18 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Not sure what you are driving at, but if you gave a solid example.



Is pure mathematics a science? What about logical analysis? Don't these things involve understanding?


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #14782089 - 07/17/11 04:26 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Noteworthy said:
Havnt you sort of created a tautology? If you consider only the mechanics of the world, then obviously science is the important method of inquiry.
What if 'understanding the mechanics of the world' is one of various things to understand? In that case, science is just one important method of inquiry.




It may be a tautology from our perspective, as we have explored and embraced the differences between mechanics and ineffable experience.  But I reckon most/many people have not developed a clear differentiation between mechanics vs. ineffable experience nor between science and greater philosophy or spirituality.  Other people (most I believe) don't make such a clear distinction between these ideas (either out of ignorance or simply a different culture and world view).


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14782118 - 07/17/11 04:30 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

What about those who don't make such a distinction because it isn't realistic? No one uses only scientific findings to go about life but everyone uses their understanding of the world to do so.


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: Kickle]
    #14782131 - 07/17/11 04:32 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Common sense is always a wonderful place to start, unfortunately its uncommon.


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Re: Method other than science to gain understanding? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14782519 - 07/17/11 06:37 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

try to learn how to ride a bicycle from a physics book!


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