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11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) * 1
    #14767118 - 07/14/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It's been awhile since I've posted anything of my own, so I thought I would share what I've been up to with the community. A few of the basic procedural pics below are borrowed from some of my previous endeavors, but the tub and setup along with the pin porn are all new.

  First I'd like to say Hi.



  I use rye berries, wheat berries, or rice as spawn. On this particular occasion I used all three.


Jar of Colonizing Wheat Berries


Mixed Rice Blend and a Colonizing Jar



At 100%



  The Bulk Substrate Used

50% Coconut Coir, 20% Manure, 20% Verm and 10% Gypsum


  I sift any lumps, stones, or chunks out to make it as light and fluffy as possible. Once hydrated to field capacity, I pasteurize.


  The Auto Mono Tub System I use

  I use Heavy Duty Tubs setup in the following way. I only drill 6 1.5" holes. One at the top and two at the bottom at each long side of the tub. I don't need extra holes for FAE because as you will see I regulate in a different way.

  An outside view of the tub with a remote thermometer/hygrometer on top.


  The black piece sticking out the top of the tub in the above picture is a outdoor light socket mounted to the the lid. This way I can screw a 6500K enclosed CFL bulb right into the underside of the lid as seen below.


  Here is where the automated part comes in(only at fruiting). I have an ultrasonic set up on a digital timer that kicks on 8 times a day for 5 minutes. This takes care of Misting(bottom tube). That is quite a bit of moisture for a tub, so to keep up with evaporation of the substrate and FAE I use an air pump with tubing(top tube). I can adjust the airflow and it blows 24/7. After I got it dialed in the humidity never drops below 99%.


  The air pump is heavy duty and runs several tubs as well as my pmp.



  Now that I have my tub, fully colonized grain spawn and pasteurized sub I spawn at at around a 1 to 3 ratio of spawn to bulk sub as follows.

Bottom
Layer of Bulk Sub
1 Jar of Grain Spawn
Layer of Bulk Sub
1 Jar of Grain Spawn
Layer of Bulk Sub
2 Jars of Grain Spawn
Layer of Bulk Sub
2 Jars of Grain Spawn
Layer of Bulk Sub
Top

  This creates about a 4" layer of bulk substrate. I switch to 2 jars of spawn at the top two layers to give extra nutrients for fruits to pull from(This is an idea I borrowed from Fahster). It seems to work.

  I leave the tubs untouched with the bottom holes taped for 7- 14 days. Once I see knots and pins(see below) I stuff polyfill in all the holes turn on the ultrasonic. Open the valve on the air pump for FAE and set to a 12/12 light cycle.


  Then I relax and let the tub do its thing




  First Flush Harvest is just over 11oz cracker dry


  With some monsters, this one is around 18"

  It came way ahead of the rest and literally reached up and touched the light.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14767143 - 07/14/11 10:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

awesome grow man :smile:

Pretty badass setup if you ask me


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: Misto]
    #14767164 - 07/14/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Nice setup!
Thanks for the porn!


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: Misto]
    #14767177 - 07/14/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks,
I know some may say it is a bit superfluous, but I enjoy it.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14767498 - 07/14/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'll be taking prints from the second flush. I'll give one out to the first person who can tell me what novel the fictional location(Macondo)is from. No cheating(don't just google it)


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14767525 - 07/14/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:congrats:


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: tripdawg420]
    #14767553 - 07/14/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

100 Years of Solitude.  It was by some South American author I think.

Nice grow by the way.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: M11]
    #14767610 - 07/14/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Correct. If you would like a print PM me.  Author is Gabriel Garcia Marquez pictured below.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180] * 1
    #14767713 - 07/14/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

11 dry ounces? WOW.

Whats your average first flush dry yield?
Are your yields that high without horsepoo?


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: ozzysmygod]
    #14767791 - 07/14/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

  I average around 6-8 on the larger tubs like the one pictured. I want to go on record and say that I've yielded similar amounts from your standard mono-tub. However, I don't think you get the most out of any standard mono-tub if you do the sat and forget method. I think most will agree they benefit a great deal from misting and fanning.  I go out of town often for two to three days at a time for work and hence the benefit of something that is automated.
  If nothing else the constant flow of fresh air has cut my contaminates through the first two flushes to almost zero. The large standard mono tubs even with the adequate amount of holes drilled still tend to be contaminate prone in a stuffy closet.
  As far as not using a manure based substrate I'm not really sure, I always use it in my bulk.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14767876 - 07/14/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ahhh yeah didn't account for how huge that thing is. How many quarts/gallons/thimbles capacity is it?


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14767901 - 07/14/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: ozzysmygod]
    #14768147 - 07/14/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Ahhh yeah didn't account for how huge that thing is. How many quarts/gallons/thimbles capacity is it?



I'd have to look, but the substrate was comprised of 24 quarts.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14768190 - 07/14/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

id like to say congrats i was considering automation for my monos but i was getting 7+ oz on first couple flushes each. now mabee id like to rethink all that. because 11 is pretty impressive. i use 106qt tubs btw and am interested in seeing what size u had


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: wacked4life]
    #14768233 - 07/14/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

As mentioned before this was an above average flush. Another thing worth noting; I am not working with MS, but an isolate. When I get home tonight I will post the tub size.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14768294 - 07/14/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Indeed, that is a very awesome first flush for that amount of spawn. I would think a little drier then 99% would do better, but I dont know if you could do better? About how long did that tub take to colonize before fruiting conditions were introduced (consolidation too)?

Enjoy your fruits!


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: scatmanrav]
    #14768585 - 07/14/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Indeed, that is a very awesome first flush for that amount of spawn. I would think a little drier then 99% would do better, but I dont know if you could do better? About how long did that tub take to colonize before fruiting conditions were introduced (consolidation too)?

Enjoy your fruits!



  When first placed into fruiting conditions I keep the air valve on the tube leading to that tub at the half open position 24/7. It seems at this point the higher humidity really helps with pin formation and I get very few aborts.
After full fledged pinning sets in and semi-mature fruits are forming(see picture below)I adjust the air valve to wide open 24/7.


  That tub took around 20 days including consolidation before I introduced to fruiting conditions. Sometimes a little more or a little less depending on spawn ratio. That's my best guess. I don't keep track, you can just tell when the tub is aching for it. The picture below was the first full day the sub was introduced to fruiting conditions. Harvest came like 4 or 5 days later.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: M11]
    #14792372 - 07/19/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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100 Years of Solitude.  It was by some South American author I think.

Nice grow by the way.




M11,
So I went to the All Good Festival this weekend and came back to a second flush that had sporulated everywhere. Nothing left to print except the inside of a tub that is completely black. I'll get you on the next one though.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14792524 - 07/19/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Pictures of second flush?

No worries.  I am a patient person.  This hobby has at least taught me that. 


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: M11]
    #14792580 - 07/19/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

None of the flush, I do have a pic of how thick the dusting of spores was. I'll post later when I am at home.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14795249 - 07/19/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

amazing, will be trying this i have a dub tub going and im never home im home like 3 days out the week. but i got some nice mushies though from being neglected lol you can see from my avatar lmao


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: b0ricuaguerrero]
    #14795286 - 07/19/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Great job Arp180. :thumbup:


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: Chez man]
    #14795566 - 07/19/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm curious as to the percentage of the total yield of the tub was achieved in that first flush. I tend to get about half the first flush for the second flush and almost as much on the third, are you finding about that as well?


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: scatmanrav]
    #14796824 - 07/20/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't bother to weigh the second flush, but it wasn't overly impressive. Rough guess is probably about 4-5 oz's dried. The third flush is pinning nicely now.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14798799 - 07/20/11 04:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Usually automated tubs look like fails imo but you pulled it off nicely Arp :awesome: Good job. May i ask why you use mixed rice and grains?


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: deadmandave]
    #14827955 - 07/26/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

nice


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: deadmandave]
    #14831711 - 07/27/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Usually automated tubs look like fails imo but you pulled it off nicely Arp :awesome: Good job. May i ask why you use mixed rice and grains?





I usually use Wheat Berries or Rye Berries, however sometimes I get bored and use rice. They all make great spawn as long as you know how to prepare each accordingly. As far as automated tubs failing, that just means your not doing it right. You have to dial them in, no different than a martha.
Once dialed in you can sit back and enjoy the fruits of your labor .


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14839490 - 07/28/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

This is an amazing post and I am inspired.  I have a few questions though.  I see that pump is an Active Auqa but can you tell me where you got it at?  Also, could you describe it further?  I've looked up Active Aqua and while there's a large selection, I'm interested in one like yours that has at least 8 output valves. 

Also, nice idea about the outdoor light fixture.  I bet you can get that just about anywhere, correct?

Lastly, are you using a normal drug store ultra sonic or are you using that bucket thing I saw in your martha pic?  And how do you distribute fog to multiple units with only one fogger.  I mean I can think of how it's possible, but I want to know how you're doing it. 

Thanks in advance for the insight.  :thumbup:

EDIT:  These pumps look pretty heavy duty, can one just plug them into a normal wall socket?  For example, the one I'm looking at right now
http://www.csnstores.com/Hydrofarm-12-Outlet-Commercial-Air-Pump-AAPA110L-HYF1036.html?refid=GPA49-HYF1036&gclid=CMfl-Y79pKoCFcTBKgodR0eHYA#shipping

has a 112 wattage rating, is that a plug for a normal socket?  I should know these things, I know.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14839992 - 07/28/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Could you post a picture on how you got the ultrasonic set up connected to the tub?

And by the way, what an excellent grow :thumbup:


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: sage1o1]
    #14843750 - 07/29/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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This is an amazing post and I am inspired.  I have a few questions though.  I see that pump is an Active Auqa but can you tell me where you got it at?  Also, could you describe it further?  I've looked up Active Aqua and while there's a large selection, I'm interested in one like yours that has at least 8 output valves. 

Also, nice idea about the outdoor light fixture.  I bet you can get that just about anywhere, correct?

Lastly, are you using a normal drug store ultra sonic or are you using that bucket thing I saw in your martha pic?  And how do you distribute fog to multiple units with only one fogger.  I mean I can think of how it's possible, but I want to know how you're doing it. 

Thanks in advance for the insight.  :thumbup:

EDIT:  These pumps look pretty heavy duty, can one just plug them into a normal wall socket?  For example, the one I'm looking at right now
http://www.csnstores.com/Hydrofarm-12-Outlet-Commercial-Air-Pump-AAPA110L-HYF1036.html?refid=GPA49-HYF1036&gclid=CMfl-Y79pKoCFcTBKgodR0eHYA#shipping

has a 112 wattage rating, is that a plug for a normal socket?  I should know these things, I know.




  I picked the pump up at a local hydroponics store for about $100. I don't have the box with me, so i can't give you the exact specs but the one you are looking at will work just fine.

  The air output nozzle on the pump hooks up to  1/2" diameter high pressure rated rubber tubing, which then connects to the single large nozzle at the back of your chrome outlet divider. I bought the divider seperately and it had 8 nozzles, but you can get one with 12.
The smaller nozzles connect to 1/4" rubber hosing and that is what you run to your tubs for FAE. Each nozzle has a valve to adjust the rate of air flow. If you are only running 4 tubs, you can just shut the valves off on the other four nozzles. It plugs into a standard wall outlet.

Here is the exact model of Vicks Ultrasonic I use.


You distribute the fog to multiple tubs by something like this(Borrowed the pic).


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: Ganja420Boy]
    #14843753 - 07/29/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Could you post a picture on how you got the ultrasonic set up connected to the tub?

And by the way, what an excellent grow :thumbup:





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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14886562 - 08/07/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Pretty badass Arp... it's nice to see utilization of that layer method. :thumbup:

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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: fahtster]
    #14889000 - 08/08/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Pretty badass Arp... it's nice to see utilization of that layer method. :thumbup:

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I don't think I've seen anyone else mention it besides you. I use it on all my tubs and have been for awhile now. Maybe a few more people will pick up on it.

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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: scatmanrav]
    #14891758 - 08/08/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I tend to believe that there is only so much available surface area for fruiting... I mean, when you think about it, the sub. block doesn't have enough time to knot up in the areas that are picked on the first flush... nor would that be biologically efficient.. the nutes closest to the area of a fruit have been exhausted... so if you have a full canopy on the first flush, chances are much of the available fruiting area isn't available anymore.  So if you have a thick substrate depth, you're probably going to end up with less fruit coming from places that weren't fruiting on first flush (i.e. the sides since the substrate has shrunk, yet "reserve" knots still developed) but larger in size.

There just isn't enough time from first flush to second for "new" knots to form.. maybe new knots will form in the "picked" areas on the third or fourth, but by that time, if all environmental conditions were correct, the sub just doesn't have the energy to make them.  Not to mention that the stage for knotting has passed.  So basically I'm saying that you can know how your sequential flushes will turn out based on how each flush performs knowing that your fruiting surface is limited to already producing fruits in the flushes prior.  Of course this isn't proven, but shit, it makes sense to me. :wink:.

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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: fahtster]
    #14895103 - 08/09/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I agree that when a full canopy or even close to one is achieved on the first flush your fruiting area becomes substantially limited on the second flush. So what if after the first flush, you dunk and then turn your substrate upside down and place back into your mono-tub. The bottom is undisturbed and is often fully knotted, similar to how fully colonized rye jar will knot up if left for an extended period of time but hasn't fruited due to no FAE. I'm curious if you can achieve two stellar flushes in this fashion. Any thoughts?


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14895373 - 08/09/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I know I've definitely tried it before, but I think what happened is it just fruited from the top (then the bottom because I flipped it) so I abandoned the idea, but that was just one time, so you may want to give it a whirl.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14895759 - 08/09/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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This is an amazing post and I am inspired.  I have a few questions though.  I see that pump is an Active Auqa but can you tell me where you got it at?  Also, could you describe it further?  I've looked up Active Aqua and while there's a large selection, I'm interested in one like yours that has at least 8 output valves. 

Also, nice idea about the outdoor light fixture.  I bet you can get that just about anywhere, correct?

Lastly, are you using a normal drug store ultra sonic or are you using that bucket thing I saw in your martha pic?  And how do you distribute fog to multiple units with only one fogger.  I mean I can think of how it's possible, but I want to know how you're doing it. 

Thanks in advance for the insight.  :thumbup:

EDIT:  These pumps look pretty heavy duty, can one just plug them into a normal wall socket?  For example, the one I'm looking at right now
http://www.csnstores.com/Hydrofarm-12-Outlet-Commercial-Air-Pump-AAPA110L-HYF1036.html?refid=GPA49-HYF1036&gclid=CMfl-Y79pKoCFcTBKgodR0eHYA#shipping

has a 112 wattage rating, is that a plug for a normal socket?  I should know these things, I know.




  I picked the pump up at a local hydroponics store for about $100. I don't have the box with me, so i can't give you the exact specs but the one you are looking at will work just fine.

  The air output nozzle on the pump hooks up to  1/2" diameter high pressure rated rubber tubing, which then connects to the single large nozzle at the back of your chrome outlet divider. I bought the divider seperately and it had 8 nozzles, but you can get one with 12.
The smaller nozzles connect to 1/4" rubber hosing and that is what you run to your tubs for FAE. Each nozzle has a valve to adjust the rate of air flow. If you are only running 4 tubs, you can just shut the valves off on the other four nozzles. It plugs into a standard wall outlet.

Here is the exact model of Vicks Ultrasonic I use.


You distribute the fog to multiple tubs by something like this(Borrowed the pic).






Awesome setup, that last pic really shows how easy it would be to automate multiple tubs, do you notice the first tubs collecting more moisture than the ones further down the line?


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: orange771]
    #14895945 - 08/09/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It distributes relatively even. As pressure builds in the first tub the fog is naturally pushed to the others, this happens within a minute or so.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14898970 - 08/09/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I do it with my bags, or turn them on their side. Pins generally will form on the bottom far more then the top after the first flush, since pins havnt formed there yet.

3rd flush, this was the bottom for the first flush, now its the side:


I do put a nice thick layer of coir/verm on the bottom of the bag, as well as the top, with my mixed substrate in the middle. The top and bottom of the bag usually are just finishing colonizing during the first flush.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: wacked4life]
    #14904738 - 08/11/11 02:57 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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id like to say congrats i was considering automation for my monos but i was getting 7+ oz on first couple flushes each. now mabee id like to rethink all that. because 11 is pretty impressive. i use 106qt tubs btw and am interested in seeing what size u had



This is a 92 Qt tub. I know afoaf actually doing something similar. It's a sick set up.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: Gurwak]
    #14924672 - 08/15/11 07:28 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I just pulled 9.3oz of a single flush on a regular mono. I'll post pics later today.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14924846 - 08/15/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14924866 - 08/15/11 08:42 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You have really inspired me to do this man. IMO you really do have one of thee sickest monos I have ever seen. Anywhere. When the time comes to it, I wanna show you pics of mine. I'll post them right into this thread since it'll almost be the same. I'm out of town quite a bit as well so I figured this would be great for me. No more having my buddies go to the grow spot and havin' them check on shit for me. People say there is no such thing as an auto mono. They say a monotub is automatic itself already, (set and forget), but you really did do an automatic mono! Haha. With regular monos you still need FAE and misting occasionally, yours doesn't. I love it! But yeah, just wanted to let you know you are the one who inspired me to do monos in the first place. I was gonna do bags but this set up made me say fuck that. Bang up job man. I'm givin' you 5 :1up:'s. Patent that shit! Hahaha. :thumbup:


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: Gurwak]
    #14926167 - 08/15/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

A sat and forget mono will work, but you are not getting the most out of it by any means. Even mono-tubs will benefit a great deal from a daily misting and as much FAE while maintaining humidity levels. I still do regular mono's, but I mist daily and have the pump hooked up to it.


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    #14926179 - 08/15/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

WOW 18" mushroom..nice work and beautiful setup!:mmmsexy:


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: devilsgrip]
    #14926213 - 08/15/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I believe I've thrown you some props in this thread already but here's some more for ya!

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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #14926732 - 08/15/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Everything does better with a little TLC imo.  :thumbup:  I'm excited to see the new pics.  I think anyone (not discrediting your blue thumb any means Arp :smile:) with a nice isolate, good substrate structure, and preferred growing perimeters can produce that much on a fairly consistent level.  Obviously, experience plays a major role.

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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: fahtster]
    #14926746 - 08/15/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I agree, the key is to take the time to isolate.


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    #15190492 - 10/07/11 07:47 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Coming Soon to a forum near you. "MY PE AUTOMONO'S".  Tentative release date 10/15. Rated R due to full frontal Male Nudity.


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #15205681 - 10/10/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

wow. your mono's look simply awesome


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #16054825 - 04/06/12 10:30 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Hey arp, I know its an old thread but I just wanted to say thanks. :mushroom2:


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #17558573 - 01/16/13 06:32 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

wow, looks great i am looking foward to trying something like that in the near future


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #18812700 - 09/07/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I was about to make a new thread about auto-monotubs but I found this gem and figured I might as well bump it. Can you go into a bit of detail about how you hooked up the ultrasonic humidifier to the tubs? I plan on having a few tubs linked up to one humidifier and I want to attempt to make the amount of "steam" to each tub somewhat equal. Does running it through tubing cause a lot of condensation issues? Also, what kind of humidifier did you use? I think mine only has the option of on/off at certain humidity levels and not on/off on a timer basis


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Re: 11oz First Flush on Auto Mono(Pics and Process) [Re: arp180]
    #19488186 - 01/28/14 07:37 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

excessive? maybe.
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dope!
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