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Anonymous #1

Involuntary commitment... OR NOT?
    #14751350 - 07/11/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I was recently asked to go to the hospital and sign myself in for an assessment. I agreed and went with the EMT personnel. At the hospital I was met for an "assessment" by a person who would not tell me anything other than her first name. I simply wanted to know what her qualifications were so that she could "assess" me (Dr/DO, MS, NP/RN/LPN)


So she got pissed and took my glasses away. I was wearing very dark sunglasses. However, they were Rx. I actually were bifocals. She then put a bunch of paperwork in front of me and insisted I sign it. I explained that I can not see without my glasses. She told me that it was the policy. I said clearly I would not sign anything I was not allowed to read in full with prescription glasses on. Then another nurse looked at them and saw how by my eyesight is and said they could not take away my medical device. So it was a big fight until a doctor wrote an order for me to keep them.

The cops who were waiting to see if I got checked in or not got pissed and filed involuntary commitment paperwork. The sole reason for this was because I wanted my glasses before I signed important medical paperwork.

Should I contact the ACLU or anything because now I can't buy guns. The hospital administrator said not to worry and that any doctor in the future could submit paperwork to say that I am "better" or what naught and it won't be a big deal. Also in only counts in this state apparently (not gonna say).

The point is you people all say to know your rights and stand up for them but in reality they will just fuck you harder if you do.

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Re: Involuntary commitment... OR NOT? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14753112 - 07/11/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thank for sharing that experience, sounds like a shit thing to go though. :blush:


I have no understanding of the prevailing laws, but I can't see how refusal to sign anything until you have either a period to think about it for consideration or at least have a lawyer look at it, could possibly be held against you in the long run. :confused:


i say, fight for your rights all the way, contact all agencies that could offer support for your cause, and further write complaint letters to all managers, etc.:mad2:

Many years ago, I had a very bad experience in a hospital with a nurse.
The nurse was clearly a miserable bitch that was abusing her power.
What I did was write a letter of complain to: :mad2:

- Ontario Nurses Association (O.N.A.) the licensing body for nurses and lodged a complaint.

- I lodged a complaint with the director of nursing at the hospital against the nurse

- I lodged a complaint with the President office of the hospital

I lodged a complaint with the personal department of the hospital.

I sent a letter ( and a copy of my complaint letter) to the local paper telling them about the bad experience I had.


As you can figure, I kicked up so much of a stink that the entire hospital's attention was drawn upon this nurses behavior. :blush:
The nurses ended up having to go to a special hearing to answer to ONA about the complain and as a result she got a slap on the wrist and had to take more training in public relations. :frown:

Afterward I talked to folks who said, she ended up getting transferred to another area and she took a lot of flack, and dealt with a great deal of grief over my actions of complaint. :grin:

So yes...scream from the roof tops ....your actions might change the system and make someone else not have to go through the hell that you were put through.:mad:

In another way, by you pursuing it, ...you will learn a better way to get out of it , next time. :thumbup:

all experience, are just good learning opportunities. :thumbup:

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Re: Involuntary commitment... OR NOT? [Re: Vitalux]
    #14754694 - 07/12/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

And people wonder why we dont trust cops or hospitals.  Good luck man, I hope you can do something about it.  I once went in to complain and about the the hospital calling me and when I returned their calls the number would not accept incomming calls.  When I went in "the department" they said was not even located in the hospital. If I was in your position I would have went "nuts" on them.

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Re: Involuntary commitment... OR NOT? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #14756074 - 07/12/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, for the most part I don't even do anything that the cops would be bothered by, yet I am honestly partially scared of them. But I am proud that I stood up for my glasses because I didn't hesitate. At least I didn't just stare at the ground and say yes ma'am when I was in a situation that I think most people would agree violated my civil rights. I'm like Rosa Parks.

I shouldn't bitch about the firearms thing anyway, look what they did to Jesus.

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Re: Involuntary commitment... OR NOT? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14756370 - 07/12/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Reading between the lines, it sounds like you got in a pissing match with the people at the hospital, the cops got tired of it and put a quick end to it.  Regardless, even if you were an angel, it is going to be your word against theirs... and nobody is going to believe you over a bunch of doctors, nurses, cops, EMTs, etc... thus it will be a waste of your time to pursue this.

I do applaud you for not signing something that you couldn't read.  However, rather than being confrontational, you should have simply stated that your glasses were prescription, that you cannot read without them, and request that somebody read the document for you.  Of course, it sounds like you were already being confrontational when you made demands of the person assigned to observe you.  Once you went down that road, you had already lost the game.


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Re: Involuntary commitment... OR NOT? [Re: Seuss]
    #14756660 - 07/12/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nice dude.

Suddenly its a pissing match to ask whats being done to you.

I didn't mention the part where before I was discharged I met with the ward administrator who apologized to me and said that she was going to review the proper way to explain reception to new patients with the girl that took my glasses. The main issue is 1) she should have asked about my glasses being Rx or not first and 2) she should have said that her "assessment" was as to what part of the hospital I needed to go to not if I have AIDS or am bipolar. Other than the initial bitch the entire hospital staff and I got on very well and I was released the next day.

I was never confrontational. I simply wasn't going to sign something I could not read. They didn't offer to read it to me. shit.

Hey Suess, I have a side note for you... Do you automatically see who we are when we post as anon, or do you actually have to deliberately attempt to look it up?

I AM NOT RESISTING PLEASE NO........ :banhamster: *sounds of sucking chest wound*

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Re: Involuntary commitment... OR NOT? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14761072 - 07/13/11 06:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> Do you automatically see who we are when we post as anon

No. It looks the same to me as it does to anybody else.  I can figure out who you are, but it takes a bit of effort.  Unless you have violated a rule, or appear to be trolling, I respect your wish to remain anonymous and don't bother to look it up.

> Suddenly its a pissing match to ask whats being done to you.

Reading between the lines, perhaps.  I wasn't there and there are always two sides to any story.  I'm glad things worked out for you and I apologize for assuming.


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Re: Involuntary commitment... OR NOT? [Re: Seuss]
    #14761321 - 07/13/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

LOL, thanks bro.

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Re: Involuntary commitment... OR NOT? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14764338 - 07/13/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What did you do to get escorted to an institution to be involuntarily locked up anyways?

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Re: Involuntary commitment... OR NOT? [Re: Bipolarbear]
    #14764428 - 07/13/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

mostly locked in the bathroom crying and not coming out. Earlier in the day I had clean a pistol and someone thought I had it with me in the bathroom and called somebody. I don't know but two cops and an ambulance showed up. Now I have bills out the ass cause some asshole didn't think to yell, COME OUT I HAVE TO SHIT REAL BAD!

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Re: Involuntary commitment... OR NOT? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14764513 - 07/13/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

shit man that really sucks.  If I was ever down at work I would just force back all emotion and be sad in the comfort of my own home.  But I'm like a picture of impassive expressions.

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Re: Involuntary commitment... OR NOT? [Re: Bipolarbear]
    #14766342 - 07/14/11 04:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> If I was ever down at work I would just force back all emotion and be sad in the comfort of my own home.

Sometimes it isn't that easy.


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