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Grain LC straight to Coco Coir question...
    #14760015 - 07/12/11 10:59 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Hello! Just curious to see if you can slowly inject Grain LC water into a coco coir substrate instead of injecting it into WBS jars and then spawning them to the coco coir.  I'd like to know if the process can be eliminated or not and if it would work to just have the coco coir colonize with already created mycellium instead of waiting for more jars to colonize.  Thank you for looking ^^  Sorry if this is a silly question.

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Re: Grain LC straight to Coco Coir question... [Re: Kapster]
    #14760049 - 07/12/11 11:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Stonesun did a direct injection with Pan Cyans. But it was in a manure substrate. I can't imagine there being enough nutes in Coir to do the same thing.

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Re: Grain LC straight to Coco Coir question... [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #14760097 - 07/12/11 11:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for your reply wildernessjunkie! Although the coco coir isn't as nutritious as cow manure, what if the right additives were added as well to boost up the nutes?  Planning to use gypsum, egg shells, and coffee grounds with the coco coir. Vermiculite is in there too of course.  If that's not nutritious enough maybe I could prepare 4-5 quarts of WBS and just pasturize it properly and put it into the mix?

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Re: Grain LC straight to Coco Coir question... [Re: Kapster]
    #14760141 - 07/12/11 11:19 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If you STERILIZE the grain and colonize it. Then PASTEURIZE the substrate. You will be doing it right. :wink:

And if it all goes well, you'll end up with lots of mushies.

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Re: Grain LC straight to Coco Coir question... [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #14760167 - 07/12/11 11:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Woops sorry I meant sterilize the grain. I'm trying to eliminate colonizing it to the grain first though then transfering it to a monotub.  So if I sterilized WBS and added it to the coco coir substrate mixture then put that into a monotub and put the GLC in there, let it sit and colonize, then introduce to fruiting conditions, do you think that would work?

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Re: Grain LC straight to Coco Coir question... [Re: Kapster]
    #14760182 - 07/12/11 11:26 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Nope... The grain will be contaminated as soon as it has touched open air, and will breed nondesireables :frown:


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Re: Grain LC straight to Coco Coir question... [Re: Kapster]
    #14760189 - 07/12/11 11:28 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

None of that is nutritious. Think poop of some kind. Even worm castings would help. But really grain is important. Theres a thread going on right now where someones doing it, but using manure based sub, and still fruits are sparse.

If you want to skip the spawning process, this is the right way:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4421574#4421574
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4877101#4877101

He used manure, but you could use coir without manure, and use a bit more grain to compensate. But you'll need to PC the mix with grain in it.


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: Grain LC straight to Coco Coir question... [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #14760201 - 07/12/11 11:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for your post HorizonSpawn :smile: Ok very true, so lets subtract the WBS, would just putting the GLC into the coco coir substrate and letting it sit and colonize then fruit so on so fourth work then?

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Re: Grain LC straight to Coco Coir question... [Re: Kapster]
    #14760204 - 07/12/11 11:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

No.

I think you would grow an awesome amount of contamination with that method. The grain needs to be colonized before its used as spawn. Ive recently switched from LC to G2G transfers, and found that this method is an incredibly fast way to end up with a ridiculous amount of spawn. Full colonization in less than 10 days. And all you need is a still air box to do it.

One thing that I do have in the works though, just to see if it would work is: A spawn bag filled with manure based substrate, with soaked a layer of WBS on the top. I sterilized the whole bag and then inoculated with Mex A GLC. That was a couple days ago though, and Im out of town, so cant see how its doing.

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Re: Grain LC straight to Coco Coir question... [Re: Kapster]
    #14760215 - 07/12/11 11:32 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you very much for your post scatmanrav :smile: very helpful links and advice!

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Re: Grain LC straight to Coco Coir question... [Re: Kapster]
    #14760249 - 07/12/11 11:40 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Kapster said:
Thanks for your post HorizonSpawn :smile: Ok very true, so lets subtract the WBS, would just putting the GLC into the coco coir substrate and letting it sit and colonize then fruit so on so fourth work then?




No problem, and this wouldnt work, just mixing it in the tub. You'd definitely need to do it in bags, either way. But I dont think LC would grow on coir by itself to well, even with verm, gypsum, worm castings ect. Straw worked for me in the past. Not all that great, but it worked.


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: Grain LC straight to Coco Coir question... [Re: scatmanrav]
    #14760558 - 07/13/11 01:17 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I have a grow using grain LC into a poo-based substrate as scatmanrav mentioned.  I used a h poo, coir, worm castings, verm and gypsum. It does work, but the fruits are sparse. I fruited it outdoors, so that doesn't always result in the best of fruits.  That said.  I would just mix grain in with your poo before you inoculate.  It really makes sense.  Grain is the majority of the food in the substrate.


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Re: Grain LC straight to Coco Coir question... [Re: M11]
    #14761223 - 07/13/11 07:41 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If your GLC is of a primary saprophyte, such as oyster or turkey tail, then it might work okay to quite well...  I just assumed we were talking about Ps. Cubensis. Please forgive my assumption.

Be blessed :smile:


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