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Buying 1/2Pint Premade Substrate Jars on Ebay?
    #14756985 - 07/12/11 01:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Hello everyone!

Im brand new to the forums and had a question for you guys.

I was originally planning on making my own substrate and steralizing the jars using steam, but then I stumbled upon a few ebay auctions for premade, sterilized jars with substrate. Heres a few links:

http://cgi.ebay.com/6-super-substrate-mushroom-growing-pint-jars-pf-tek-/290564587394?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a6ffbf82

http://cgi.ebay.com/brown-rice-flour-vermiculite-mushroom-substrate-6-jars-/280706092491?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415b630dcb

http://cgi.ebay.com/PF-Logic-pt-WBSF-Mushroom-Grow-Substrate-Jar-Single-/260605632919?pt=Fertilizer_Soil_Amendments&hash=item3cad4e6197


I noticed that each seller uses a different substrate, and I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these seller. Im very tempted to buy some of these premade jars just for the ease of use.

If I were to buy these, which substrate mix would be best for B+?


Thanks!

Edited by mrmeowmix2300 (07/12/11 01:14 PM)

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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: mrmeowmix2300]
    #14757009 - 07/12/11 01:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

just make the jars yourself. its definitely a better idea. especially if you want to learn something. PF tek jars are simple to make. bulk is easier than pf tek imo.

grains > pf tek

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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: Ajaxx]
    #14757026 - 07/12/11 01:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If you aren't going to make the jars yourself at least get them from a reputable sponsor and not from someone who probably didn't make the jars right in the first place. though I suggest you do it yourself


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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: Ajaxx]
    #14757027 - 07/12/11 01:19 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Make your own PF jars.  Don't change the formula.  It works, and it works well.  Once you feel comfortable, then move on to buying a PC.

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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: Ajaxx]
    #14757032 - 07/12/11 01:19 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I really want to make them myself, but I became very confused after trying to find one substrate that was easy and worked well.

I watched the 4 part series on PF Tek jars, and I thought I could do that because I already have vermiculite, so I would only need the Brown rice flour (and perlite for the tank).

If you could, please link me to this bulk technique you say is easier then PF teck.


Edit: Is this the proper way to make PF tek jars: http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek

Edited by mrmeowmix2300 (07/12/11 01:20 PM)

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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: mrmeowmix2300]
    #14757055 - 07/12/11 01:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

that is the best way to make pf tek jars, and bulk isn't easier but you will get more for your buck


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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: Slayer1024]
    #14757114 - 07/12/11 01:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Oh good, I was hoping that would be the case. Now I just have to find the best place to buy Brown Rice Flour and perlite.

Would this combo be correct for making pf tek jars?:

Jars: http://www.amazon.com/Jarden-Home-Brands-Mouth-Canning/dp/B0000BYD0F/ref=sr_1_3?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1310498931&sr=1-3

BRF: Not sure which to buy, theres about 100 on amazon lol

Perlite: http://www.amazon.com/Perlite-Professional-Grade-18Qt-Bag/dp/B001V6WXEI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1310499222&sr=8-2

The vermiculite I have isnt amazingly fine and isnt very coarse so I think its the correct size. It looks almost the same as in the video.

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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: mrmeowmix2300]
    #14757165 - 07/12/11 01:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

also, if you were to buy pre-sterilised spawn material, spawn bags are where its at. outgrow.com noob bail out city...


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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: Grungeman17]
    #14757204 - 07/12/11 01:54 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah thats probably a good alternative, but if I can find a good place to buy Brown Rice Flour, I think it would be easy enough to just make a few PF Tek jars myself. Im not going for a huge operation, jut a small test run if you will.

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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: Grungeman17]
    #14757222 - 07/12/11 01:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah there is no reason not to get like 5 or 10 quarts in spawn bags for the same price you would get maybe 2 quarts worth of PF jars.


Go to you local grocery store and find brown rice, grind it yourself, and a dozen half pint wide mouth Kerr jars.  You won't even spend $15.  Don't bother buying perlite yet, you have to succeed in colonizing jars first.

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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14757551 - 07/12/11 03:02 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)


Find this at Wal-Mart, it works great. Just grind yourself in a blender or somthing.


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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #14757617 - 07/12/11 03:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Im pretty sure any organic section in a supermarket will have BRF, wegmans has it


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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: circusink]
    #14757838 - 07/12/11 03:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Read read read

Check this out and bookmark it:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11961453

Watch everything available on the web site: http://www.mushroomvideos.com/

If you end up buying the two DVDs that are on the previously mentioned site and watch all of the videos that are on them, you can consider yourself a novice.  That's what I think you should do.  They're $40, which is a drop in the bucket compared to the knowledge they provide.


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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: sage1o1]
    #14758061 - 07/12/11 04:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Read read read

Check this out and bookmark it:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11961453

Watch everything available on the web site: http://www.mushroomvideos.com/

If you end up buying the two DVDs that are on the previously mentioned site and watch all of the videos that are on them, you can consider yourself a novice.  That's what I think you should do.  They're $40, which is a drop in the bucket compared to the knowledge they provide.




Alright, Ill do that. However, which method do you suggest I follow? The PF Tek method as shown on his DVD's? Or is there a better method in that huge list I should know about?

EDIT: BTW I already have a pressure cooker, if that makes a difference.

Edited by mrmeowmix2300 (07/12/11 04:47 PM)

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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: mrmeowmix2300]
    #14758158 - 07/12/11 05:06 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Pressure cooker > Steaming


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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: mrmeowmix2300]
    #14758337 - 07/12/11 05:55 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Do RogerRabbit's (Marc's) PF Tek.  In fact, anything he says in video or posts, do it.  Read through each one of those links (specifically the mono tub stuff) and get to know what they're talking about (or just watch the vids, then look through the links).  Once you're done with that, start in on bulk. 

Feel free to PM me and I'll help you along the way.


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Re: Buying 1/2Pint [Re: sage1o1]
    #14758450 - 07/12/11 06:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid: Follow it to the T and you won't be let down. For all the little bumps along the road, we are here to offer our help! Good luck bro :awesomenod:


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Re: Buying 1/2Pint Premade Substrate Jars on Ebay? [Re: mrmeowmix2300]
    #14761025 - 07/13/11 06:01 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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mrmeowmix2300 said:
Hello everyone!

Im brand new to the forums and had a question for you guys.

I was originally planning on making my own substrate and steralizing the jars using steam, but then I stumbled upon a few ebay auctions for premade, sterilized jars with substrate. Heres a few links:

http://cgi.ebay.com/6-super-substrate-mushroom-growing-pint-jars-pf-tek-/290564587394?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a6ffbf82

http://cgi.ebay.com/brown-rice-flour-vermiculite-mushroom-substrate-6-jars-/280706092491?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415b630dcb

http://cgi.ebay.com/PF-Logic-pt-WBSF-Mushroom-Grow-Substrate-Jar-Single-/260605632919?pt=Fertilizer_Soil_Amendments&hash=item3cad4e6197


I noticed that each seller uses a different substrate, and I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these seller. Im very tempted to buy some of these premade jars just for the ease of use.

If I were to buy these, which substrate mix would be best for B+?


Thanks!




Do not buy anything from these people and especially not PF Jars. In the underground sub culture of "magic mushrooms" there are dozens of rip-offs and people who want to make a quick buck through sales of such dumb things as this one. Youre being ripped off.

I am sick of seeing how this trade gets used by low-lifes who try to squeeze money out of decent new growers. The price for making one single PF Jar is less than 2 dollars, so why buy them? The same goes for spore needles and prints; which are fairly simple to make at home and the more experienced grower should learn to make them, as to avoid having to by more and more needles; that can be made at a fraction of the cost anyways.

The less money that goes into the trade, the better. More money, more sales and more crap means more criminality, more scams and more bullshit.

There is no reason to make it simple, as you will not learn a got damn thing from that. If ones is serious about this trade, do it yourself.

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Re: Buying 1/2Pint Premade Substrate Jars on Ebay? [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14761053 - 07/13/11 06:13 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

LMAO!!! $23 plus $11 shipping!!!?!!! DAMN! I gotta change jobs and get into selling 1/2 pints on ebay! LMAO!!!!! Shit man, I'll send you a 12 pack for the same price depending on shipping

Also got this bridge in NY I wanna sell ya :bigjoint: put a toll on it and you could make BANK!


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Re: Buying 1/2Pint Premade Substrate Jars on Ebay? [Re: mrmeowmix2300]
    #14761078 - 07/13/11 06:26 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If you don't have the ambition and the knowledge to make your own cakes you don't have any business even attempting to try your hand at this science. You have to know and master all steps to be able to get a hold on all this., you cant just skip procedures not learning all about them and expect to know what's going on down the road. My advise is to study study and study then try and try again. Good luck.


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