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Re: Why does faith feel good? [Re: Poid]
    #14720418 - 07/05/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

faith feels as good as you want it to


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Re: Why does faith feel good? [Re: Poid]
    #14720555 - 07/05/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

For me, its the energy, the feeling of being accepted and loved fills everything with good energy, I am spiritual (believing that there is a "Source" aka "God", which is the source of all energy that powers the universe) but I still go to church with my religious friends because of all the positive energy there.


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Re: Why does faith feel good? [Re: Poid] * 1
    #14740716 - 07/09/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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How can two types of faith be fundamentally different? If anything, all types of faith are fundamentally similar.





If they were fundamentally similar, they should yield the same results.  When you have faith that something will get fixed by itself without any effort from you other than your belief, it likely won't get solved.  When you have faith in yourself that you can fix something, it likely will get solved.  Furthermore, when you have faith in the people you know, and help them to have more faith in themselves, everyone gets to enjoy the full potential of the collective problem solving organism that is the human race.  I see the massive amount of suffering in the world today as impossible in a society where people think function that way.  We are all connected on a subatomic level, and worth putting on a pedestal because our potential is boundless, and externalizing that infinite possibility to a deity that damns people to eternal suffering is a bit maniacal and alters the entire course of the human race.  So yes, choosing to have faith in a deity rather than people is fundamentally different, because the responsibility of the believer for their own future is mitigated when they believe that a deity, not themselves and the people around them, determines their reality.  This isn't to say that religious people can't be good, but that traditional religion almost encourages blind zealotry, which comes with major risks.

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Why not? How does your definition differ from other people's? What is your definition?





Contentment isn't something that's a defined point, but rather something more akin to a frequency.  In fact, I've read some ideas from a Genetics professor suggesting that our state of consciousness may be representable by the frequency of the EM field produced by the brain.  That said, the "intensity" of this frequency can vary and, from personal experience, knowledge seems to function as an amplifier.  So sure, people being blissfully ignorant can be in the emotional range of "contentment", but I don't see it as the same as when someone like Einstein was in his "happy place", so to speak.

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Then you go on to say: The confidence in the inner self should enable someone to completely ignore the self...

:dudewtf:




I believe you were suggesting that being too self-aware can cause people to be discontent.  My view is that both the self and the external world need to be deeply explored without the distraction of the other in order to achieve a balance that makes contentment possible.  That is to say, at times, we should be fully aware of the external world with a quiet mind, and at other times we should be fully aware of the internal world with a quiet body.  That balance brings me to the state of contentment, but within contentment, there is variation, in style as well as intensity.  To me, what increases the intensity is rooted in my understanding of reality and myself, and also, to me, the amount of understanding that is yet undiscovered is infinite, so a content state of mind always has room for improvement as I am eternally ignorant of things.  My metaphor for this "eternal ignorance" would be our current and previous worldviews.  Originally we thought the Earth was the center of the universe, then it was the Sun, then it was the Galaxy, then I believe our cluster, and finally, now, the Universe.  I see no reason that this hierarchy shouldn't continue up, as well as within further dimensions of position and time that we are just now attempting to locate.  For me personally, such perspective shifts are crucial to a more appreciative view of reality, and thus, a higher level of potential contentment.  I think that a major shift in the current worldview could do a lot of positive things for human society, given our capabilities.


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Re: Why does faith feel good? [Re: Poid]
    #14742956 - 07/09/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

because it's similar to every other crutch in our life.

it gives you a false sense of comfort.


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Re: Why does faith feel good? [Re: Poid]
    #14743872 - 07/10/11 03:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think it does anymore than ignorance is bliss. :shrug:


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Re: Why does faith feel good? [Re: teknix]
    #14744820 - 07/10/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

false sense of comfort my ass.  Faith is the only true comfort out there.  It's things like eating junk food and sleeping in too late that are the false sense of comfort.


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Re: Why does faith feel good? [Re: g00ru]
    #14745342 - 07/10/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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and sleeping in too late that are the false sense of comfort.




Don't trivialize the dreamworld.


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Re: Why does faith feel good? [Re: Pacmanpth]
    #14745814 - 07/10/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

well if you're trying to astral travel that's one thing, i'm saying if you're just lounging about trying to be good to yourself


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Re: Why does faith feel good? [Re: g00ru]
    #14746295 - 07/10/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

are you really villainizing relaxation?


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Re: Why does faith feel good? [Re: Kickle]
    #14746601 - 07/10/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i like sleeping in :sad:


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Re: Why does faith feel good? [Re: Kickle]
    #14746660 - 07/10/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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are you really villainizing relaxation?




No not at all, i just think that more often then not, people sleeping in aren't really relaxing they're just lying in bed clinging to that wonderful sleep feeling. I feel much more relaxed if I pop out of bed and get my day started, because then I'm gonna have a more positive mindset.  And that positive mindset is related to faith imo, cause faith to me is when a certain thought is invested with power.  Avoiding sense-pleasure is often a great way to energize a certain thought (like, the "I" thought, or just some idea like "always think optimistically")


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Re: Why does faith feel good? [Re: g00ru]
    #14746843 - 07/10/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

gotcha

i agree that people often stay in bed to avoid facing the day and that such avoidance likely doesn't do anyone any favors. but I'm not sure it's always a bad thing to simply lay in bed, even if just for the sense pleasure. Getting in touch with the body can be a good thing :thumbup:


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Re: Why does faith feel good? [Re: Kickle]
    #14746848 - 07/10/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"Hope is a good thing Red, maybe the best of things"- Shawshank


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Re: Why does faith feel good? [Re: g00ru]
    #14753820 - 07/11/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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well if you're trying to astral travel that's one thing, i'm saying if you're just lounging about trying to be good to yourself




I was moreso referring to lucid dreaming, I find being able to take a break from reality and do whatever I please to be a fascinating experience.


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Re: Why does faith feel good? [Re: Pacmanpth]
    #14753970 - 07/11/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ya that's what i call astral travel.  very fun and powerful.  I just did a visualization a few minutes ago that got sort of vivid, it's all journey in the imagination :pipesmoke:


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