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Planning first bulk grow
    #14747936 - 07/10/11 08:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Hey everyone, i've been growing with pf tek for almost a year now, off and on, just started a new batch after a few months of nothing.  The new batch of 5 pf jars are colonizing nicely with no contaminants.  I've been wanting to do a bulk grow, and would like some suggestions on which would be a good way for me to go. 

I want to try doing a wheat berry jar.  I have a general idea of two things i want to try.  I want my jars to get fully colonised first.  I'm either going to let them start fruiting, and try to clone a mushroom, or just use some of the mycellium and put in the jar with the pastuerized wheat berries.  I know a little bit about cloning, never tried it, just what i've read on it, I do know that i need some agar solution on petri dishes.

Hope i'm not being too vague, but if I could get some personal input on which would be a better method to go, it would be much appreciated,  thanks.


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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: icntbliveitntbtr]
    #14748098 - 07/10/11 09:19 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You're being vague. Why not spawn grains to bulk substrate like everybody else?


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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: Doc_T]
    #14748113 - 07/10/11 09:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I really don't know, I just started doing something i was familiar with hoping i could just go off of that, the pf jars.  I might just stick to doing that, but I do want to try cloning.


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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: icntbliveitntbtr]
    #14748467 - 07/10/11 10:26 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

So clone a shroom from the cakes to a grain jar. Take a piece of tissue from a shroom & drop it in a grain jar & wait for it to grow, hopefully without contams.
I can't believe Doc T didn't mention agar.
Doc are you feeling alright?

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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: icntbliveitntbtr]
    #14749720 - 07/11/11 05:26 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I can't believe Doc T didn't mention agar.
Doc are you feeling alright?




Why would I? Did you read RP's first post?

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I do know that i need some agar solution on petri dishes.





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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: Doc_T]
    #14750191 - 07/11/11 08:37 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I have been having OK results with bags. First time around and its all going to bulk.

Just do what doc says. use grain

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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: freedumb]
    #14750234 - 07/11/11 08:54 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

check out the growlogs for some ideas


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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: RoyalPalm]
    #14750243 - 07/11/11 08:57 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You can try your cloning experiment since it seems like something you want to do, but I would highly advise using grains (rye, wheat, whatever) and spawn it into some pasteurized bulk substrate such as coir, verm and gypsum.  I highly recommend using Damion5050's Elementary Coir Tek.  It is so easy it's stupid.


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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: M11]
    #14750486 - 07/11/11 10:09 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Cloning is a great way to acquire a useful culture.
Grain spawn is an efficient way to propagate it, but then cakes are too.
Just depends on style, really. And spores->agar has advantages too.


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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: Doc_T]
    #14750516 - 07/11/11 10:16 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Oh I totally agree with what you said, Doc_T; I was just suggesting that he worry more about the growing essentials, such as propagation like you stated. 

Cloning for ones first bulk grow is possible, but I would probably just go with MS first.


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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: icntbliveitntbtr]
    #14751085 - 07/11/11 12:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Cloning for ones first bulk grow is possible, but I would probably just go with MS first.




Dude's been growing almost a year, did you read the post?

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Hey everyone, i've been growing with pf tek for almost a year now,




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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: Doc_T]
    #14751110 - 07/11/11 12:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Dude's been growing almost a year, did you read the post?





But he has never done grains, pasteurization, monotubs, etc; did you read the title?

I just figure starting with MS would be a safe, easy choice for starting a first grow, whether it be with cakes or bulk.


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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: M11]
    #14752325 - 07/11/11 04:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry for the delay on replying, yeah, im totally unfamiliar with grains, i've only done pf tek in a sgfc.  Anywho, thanks for the suggestions, i feel i should know what MS is, but what is MS?


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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: icntbliveitntbtr]
    #14752380 - 07/11/11 04:42 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Multispore.  A straight inoculation of spores.  Not a clone or isolate.


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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: M11]
    #14752717 - 07/11/11 05:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks a lot for the help, I checked out the coir tek you suggested, I probably will do that, i do have on question about that, after I put the 5 quarts of spawn in it, i'm assuming it's going to colonize the substrate, is temperature an issue?  Like does it have to be at typical colonizing temps, 75-81f?

edit- also, is coir something i could find at a hardware store or walmart, or is it something i would need to order online?


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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: icntbliveitntbtr]
    #14752733 - 07/11/11 05:59 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

75 is good.  Use the search function and you can find about anything.


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Those mushrooms are fine.  Your friend is a pussy.
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Re: Planning first bulk grow [Re: M11]
    #14752759 - 07/11/11 06:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Alright, thanks again


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