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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14675905 - 06/26/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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What part of the world are you in
that there is popcorn
but no rye?





As far as I understand, you can't prepare rye without a pressure cooker.

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Foreword: This is a last-resort tek if you can't find Verm/poo/PC.






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What part of the world are you in
that there is popcorn
but no rye?





As far as I understand, you can't prepare rye without a pressure cooker.

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Foreword: This is a last-resort tek if you can't find Verm/poo/PC.







A couple of years ago I tried popcorn in some plastic Tupperware containers that were slightly rounded at the bottom, but were the same volume as the Ball pint jars.  I cut a 1/4" hole in the top of the screw on lids, soaked popcorn, put micropore over the hole, put press'n'seal over the entire lid, and microwaved it for a forgotten amount of time on low heat.  It was a long time on a low setting so it heated evenly and didn't get mega hot on high, but they were inoculated just like grain jars (anything else) and spawned to Black Cow manure/verm in aluminum trays for bread or something.  I lined the bottom of the tray with verm before pouring everything in after mixing, and put a thin layer of verm/manure on top.  Covered with foil and allowed to colonize... smelled like fucking shit (worse than manure). 

It was an experiment to do a lot of what people say don't do and they fruited very, very well in a shotgun.  At the time I had one of those little MistyMates that let out a fine mist and I'd fan/mist 3 times a day. It was Cambodia strain, and aside from small pins due to the small trays, it worked incredibly well. 

I ended up going back to popcorn after the organic market near me closed, and I dislike birdseed.  My casing layers are put in the microwave first. :shrug:  Never had problems, but I quit casing when I did grow because after a lot of grows the uncased produced larger mushrooms than the cased with neither having much difference in total yield.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14678795 - 06/27/11 07:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I just harvested the largest fruit.

The stem is 24 grams wet, the cap is away printing.

But remind you that the cap was fully open so it might not be that potent.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: k00laid]
    #14678944 - 06/27/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Nice effort!

Sure the bulk couldn't use a little coffee grounds? I had a little potency loss because of low phosphate and nitrogen levels on a hay-tek.




how do you figure it takes phosphate and nitrogen for potent cubes?




Hay is a pretty wide term, if you are using whats left of for example wheat/barley/rye straw after the grain is removed then there is not a whole lot else than celluloses in it. Anyway I had a potency loss with using just straw, threw in some coffee grinds in the next round and it turned out much better.

You cant make them more potent than usual by having lots of coffee in the bulk but, the fungus isn't very likely to synthesize shitloads of alkaloids if its short on amino acids and phosfate either. Its just a simple trick to make sure you have enough if the corn doesn't cover it.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: ManicMongrel]
    #14679114 - 06/27/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Anyway I had a potency loss

You cant make them more potent than usual by having lots of coffee in the bulk




#1 explain to me your method of testing for potency. and for the love of fucking god. tell me you arent growing from spores.

#2 no... just no...


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: k00laid]
    #14679817 - 06/27/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Anyway I had a potency loss

You cant make them more potent than usual by having lots of coffee in the bulk




#1 explain to me your method of testing for potency. and for the love of fucking god. tell me you arent growing from spores.

#2 no... just no...




#1 compared same dose of the previous bulk to the new one, gram to gram, dry weight. I grew with LC (malt extract), and no it werent cubes. No antidepressants or indole psychedelics in the picture, 2 week apart, weakest new one first.

Did you expect a double blind test with 100 random test subjects to figure out which bulk were strongest?

If you get the spores to germinate, why do you mean the method is important as long as you get clean spawn?

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You cant make them more potent than usual by having lots of coffee in the bulk


as in CAN NOT.
Since when did potency stop being controlled be genetics?

What do mean exactly? That you can make them more potent by adding excess nutrition? I said sometimes grain straw might not have enough, its pretty commonly accepted that coffee is an additive that covers it.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: ManicMongrel]
    #14680656 - 06/27/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If you wanted to test that, you could add a little dry egg white powder.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: ManicMongrel]
    #14684657 - 06/28/11 05:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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and no it werent cubes.




what species then?


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: k00laid]
    #14684898 - 06/28/11 07:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The first flush has been plucked.

70 g. fresh.

A spore print is well underway.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: k00laid]
    #14684980 - 06/28/11 08:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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ManicMongrel said:
Nice effort!

Sure the bulk couldn't use a little coffee grounds? I had a little potency loss because of low phosphate and nitrogen levels on a hay-tek.




how do you figure it takes phosphate and nitrogen for potent cubes?






Because it does, lol...  "Mycelium Running", by Paul Stamets, page 98: "The psilocybe mushrooms... absorb phosphorus from their surroundings in order to synthesize the psilocybin molecule (0-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N, N-dimethyltryptamine)..."


See; both phosphorus and nitrogen ARE needed to make potent mushies :smile:


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #14688098 - 06/28/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

it also says in there that its best to INCUBATE your substrates at 84 degrees.

and light WILL HINDER colonization of mycelium.

:shrug: i just dont buy speculation, i want proof :hehehe:


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: k00laid]
    #14688493 - 06/28/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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i just dont buy speculation, i want proof 




Are u sure of that? Cause when I read ur posts all u talk about is what one should do, and various things will not work at all no matter what and u dont talk about proof. Damn koolaid just tell him it wont work and hes wrong like u allways do. :facepalm3:


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: the astronaut]
    #14690940 - 06/29/11 10:11 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

@ the astronaut,

Please keep your little spat confined to the PM, as opposed to dragging your beef with Koolaid through the entire forum. It hasn't contributed to any of the threads you have spammed. Thanks for understanding and handling it maturely.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: k00laid]
    #14696110 - 06/30/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I grew panaeolus tropicalis.

If you dont have enough nitrogen or phosphorus, the fungus has less resources to make anthranilic acid which is used together with phosphoribosyl PP  to make the amino acid L-Tryptophan (8 enzyme reactions).



which is converted to tryphamine then psilocin, then finally to psilocybin.

Phosphate and L-Tryptophan will be prioritized for other compounds than psilocybin if resources are only available in limited supply. Its a general principle in biosynthesis that an organism will use resources on the vital processes first and foremost. A fungus wont use two of the most vital building blocks there is to produce alkaloids, when it barely have enough for keeping the machinery running and reproduction. Alkaloids like psilocybin are secondary metabolites, they are not necessary for vital processes, so the fungus wont make much of them if resources are scarce. Nature is usually delightfully practical.

A search on psilocybin shows a molecule with phosphate and nitrogen, then follow the links through alkaloids to secondary metabolites.

Wikipedia covers all of it with reliable resources, if you want a good book try Paul M. Dewick's "midicinal natural products". You demand proof as you say, so if you take pride in being skeptical to everything on principle, why dont you even bother taking a quick look on wikipedia?


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14720995 - 07/05/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Some photos before harvest day.
I guess i should have uploaded these a littler earlier.  :facepalm:


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14724875 - 07/06/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I see three small new pins.  :feelsgoodman:


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14726032 - 07/06/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think they need more FAE.


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Re: Minimal resource hay tek + pics. [Re: miganders]
    #14749812 - 07/11/11 06:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Second flush fatties.


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