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Energy question.
    #14747469 - 07/10/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Since we use carbohydrates as a fuel couldn't that possibly make carbs into energy?

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Re: Energy question. [Re: giza]
    #14747480 - 07/10/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What? Like, burn sugars and starches for fuel?


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Re: Energy question. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14747530 - 07/10/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

We do.  That's what fermentation is.  That's why we add ethanol (from corn) to gasoline.

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Re: Energy question. [Re: shroomer8er]
    #14747784 - 07/10/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I see but if we utilize and isolate the carbohydrate?

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Re: Energy question. [Re: giza]
    #14747833 - 07/10/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Could you tells us what it is you are talking about?


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Re: Energy question. [Re: giza]
    #14748119 - 07/10/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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giza said:
Since we use carbohydrates as a fuel couldn't that possibly make carbs into energy?





The fact that we use carbohydrates as a fuel means they have energy.

I don't know what you mean by "make into energy" as energy is an intangible property and you cannot make some matter into it any more than you can make matter into happy.  Carbohydrates are reacted with other chemicals to yield useful energy in our bodies and in things like campfires for cooking and guncotton for propellant.

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I see but if we utilize and isolate the carbohydrate?




This isn't a question, you've provided the premise but not identified what you want to know.

An isolated carbohydrate does not perform any differently than a carbohydrate in a mixture due to the dilution.  The chemical properties of the substance are a function of the chemial itself, not the surrounding matter, though depending on the system the surrounding matter may itself react chemically or physically.

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Re: Energy question. [Re: johnm214]
    #14748302 - 07/10/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

but when they're heated there a lift up? Like expanding or w/e. Causing a 'push' right?
Please in simple terms, I'm not well educated in the school systems knowledge.\


Oh this is for 'clean energy' or whatever 'free energy'

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Re: Energy question. [Re: johnm214]
    #14750542 - 07/11/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Since we use carbohydrates as a fuel couldn't that possibly make carbs into energy?





The fact that we use carbohydrates as a fuel means they have energy.

I don't know what you mean by "make into energy" as energy is an intangible property and you cannot make some matter into it any more than you can make matter into happy.  Carbohydrates are reacted with other chemicals to yield useful energy in our bodies and in things like campfires for cooking and guncotton for propellant.

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giza said:
I see but if we utilize and isolate the carbohydrate?




This isn't a question, you've provided the premise but not identified what you want to know.

An isolated carbohydrate does not perform any differently than a carbohydrate in a mixture due to the dilution.  The chemical properties of the substance are a function of the chemial itself, not the surrounding matter, though depending on the system the surrounding matter may itself react chemically or physically.




Matter is energy, John.  That's what E=Mc2 means.  But that has nothing to do with energy extraction from carbohydrates.  That process just exploits the energy available in chemical bonds, not the conversion of matter into energy.


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Re: Energy question. [Re: johnm214]
    #14750723 - 07/11/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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giza said:
Since we use carbohydrates as a fuel couldn't that possibly make carbs into energy?





The fact that we use carbohydrates as a fuel means they have energy.

I don't know what you mean by "make into energy" as energy is an intangible property and you cannot make some matter into it any more than you can make matter into happy.  Carbohydrates are reacted with other chemicals to yield useful energy in our bodies and in things like campfires for cooking and guncotton for propellant.

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giza said:
I see but if we utilize and isolate the carbohydrate?




This isn't a question, you've provided the premise but not identified what you want to know.

An isolated carbohydrate does not perform any differently than a carbohydrate in a mixture due to the dilution.  The chemical properties of the substance are a function of the chemial itself, not the surrounding matter, though depending on the system the surrounding matter may itself react chemically or physically.




Okay, thanks for giving some info, I'm not well educated in this area. Just figured if our body uses it as a fuel source then it could be used as a fuel source for other means.

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Re: Energy question. [Re: giza]
    #14751624 - 07/11/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yah that's bio-technology. Starch -> dextrose -> Ethanol.

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Re: Energy question. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14751957 - 07/11/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Could you tells us what it is you are talking about?




Sorry I missed your post, I was just wondering if anyone thought to use carbohydrates as a possible fuel source outside the human body.

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Re: Energy question. [Re: giza]
    #14752043 - 07/11/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Doc_T said:
Could you tells us what it is you are talking about?




Sorry I missed your post, I was just wondering if anyone thought to use carbohydrates as a possible fuel source outside the human body.




I think multiple people have already pointed out the many current uses of carbohydrates as energy sources outside the human body.

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Re: Energy question. [Re: giza]
    #14752138 - 07/11/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I see but if we utilize and isolate the carbohydrate?




Dextrose is a simple carbohydrate that turns to ethanol when metabolised by yeast/bacteria such as:

Clostridium
sporogenes

Clostridium
indolis                                                     

Clostridium sphenoides                                                         

Clostridium sordelli                                                               

Zymomonas mobilis                                                               

Zymomonas mobilis                                                               

Pomaceas                                                               

Spirochaeta aurantia                                                             

Spirochaeta stenostrepta                                                       

Spirochaeta litoralis                                                             

Erwinia amylovora                                                             

Leuconostoc mesenteroides                                                   

Streptococcus lactis                                                               

Sarcina ventriculi

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Re: Energy question. [Re: teknix]
    #14752152 - 07/11/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

But simple carbs react quickly as a quick source of energy right? And wouldn't a complex carb be better because it breaks down slower compared to the simple?

Edited by giza (07/11/11 03:59 PM)

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Re: Energy question. [Re: giza]
    #14752191 - 07/11/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No. That's why the complex are divided and sorted in the 1st place.

(starch)

You want to achieve a purity, and all that muck would dillute the product.

So you seperate it out.

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Re: Energy question. [Re: teknix]
    #14752278 - 07/11/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, very interesting. thanks for your time. So we're searching for a purer form of energy to get more energy out per mass?

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Re: Energy question. [Re: giza]
    #14752315 - 07/11/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Has anyone tried to use sound in an energy process?

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Re: Energy question. [Re: giza]
    #14752518 - 07/11/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Has anyone tried to use sound in an energy process?




Yes

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Re: Energy question. [Re: DieCommie]
    #14752535 - 07/11/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What about in a weapon form, wouldn't a high concentration of sound impair those impacted by it?

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Re: Energy question. [Re: giza]
    #14752679 - 07/11/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The fact that we use carbohydrates as a fuel means they have energy.

I don't know what you mean by "make into energy" as energy is an intangible property and you cannot make some matter into it any more than you can make matter into happy.




Matter is energy, John.  That's what E=Mc2 means.  But that has nothing to do with energy extraction from carbohydrates.  That process just exploits the energy available in chemical bonds, not the conversion of matter into energy.





Matter is not energy.  As I said, energy is an intangible property of a system, including matter: the amount of work it can do.  The equivalence principle you refer to merely relates the mass and energy of an item, rather than defining one as the other.

Incidentally, the chemical reactions which liberate energy from carbohydrates do indeed decrease the total mass of the chemicals, as per the equivalence principle: the mass of the chemical species decreases proportionate to the root of the energy liberated.  This is true in chemical as well as nuclear reactions, the former just yields much, much, less of a mass disparity. 

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But simple carbs react quickly as a quick source of energy right? And wouldn't a complex carb be better because it breaks down slower compared to the simple?




As I mentioned previously, guncotton (nitrocellulose) uses carbohydrates to produce energy to propell bullets and so forth.  It also is a complex carbohydrate (or is derived from one).

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What about in a weapon form, wouldn't a high concentration of sound impair those impacted by it?




This is how explosives work.  Sound is simply a pattern of pressure variances in some medium.  For explosives, it is desirable to have a higher power, so they generally try to deliver the pressure change in a single burst within a short time frame rather than over a longer time which would be less powerful.

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