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Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th)
    #14738531 - 07/08/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)


HAF X Tower: Awesome size and inherently comes built to do water cooling, but I can't get into that until the later Sandy's come out.  It has 1 200mm fan up top as an exhaust and their is a spot for another so I am putting a 200mm fan up near the front that performs better than the one that came with the tower.


Two of these in crossfire and sadly they both sag down.  This causes you to have to lift up on the end toward the front of the tower to tighten the thumbscrews to the case(the amount of the card that hangs forward of the PCI slot is insane and the squirrel cage fan is there).  So my first card gets zero air because they're literally pinched together.


This comes with the HAF X as well so I'm going to use it to spread the cards so air can reach the primary GPU, and this does a nice job of keeping the PCI slot from being under a heavy load.


After the bracket has the cards secure, and gives them some space for air to travel, I'll be equipping the GPU Duct/Fan. 


The Scythe Ultra Kaze (3000rpm // 133.6 cfm // loud as fuck) is what will be in the duct blasting away at my 6970's and this also fixes two problems because the brick-sized cards cover my northbridge heatsink and the duct is designed to push the air at about a 45 degree angle out of the duct and not straight.  Either way 133.6 cfm where I never had them before is going to be awesome. 


Here's the 200mm that will fit nicely up top until I get a large radiator next upgrade.  It's lame because you can't turn off the LED, when the red 220 (or something) fan on the front of the case has this functionality.  So it'll give another ~120 cfm of exhaust from the top, and I love that idea because it's less messy with dust.  A lot of people go nuts with positive pressure but I'm not one of them. 

I have a 200mm fan that has a shroud on the side cover so it moves air in a certain direction.  Originally the fan would push air towards the front of the video cards (or if the cards aren't small a large area of the motherboard), but it pushes right into the intake air from the front fan.  Since my cards don't have access to that air I turned the shroud so it blows air toward the rear of the GPU's and the exhaust fan in the back (*** Seems dumbs but I'm not finished!***)

Anyways, I have zero time so I'm going to stay up late as fuck and get these things installed, well clean first, then install.  After that I'm upgrading from a shitty Xigmatek Dark Knight heatsink/fan to the new Corsair H80.  It's hot as fuck in my new house and I hated having the PC in the basement since I like watching iTunes from it and not my laptop.  Going to use Noctua TIM on my i7-950.  Here's to hoping my 3.8 OC will be manageable again... I almost ordered a couple more of those Scythe fans since gentle typhoons are nowhere, but these seem pretty good lookin at them.  Updates soon!

Update:  Installed the H80, GPU bracket, GPU duct with Scythe Ultra Kaze, and have been running prime95(64-bit) with large FFT for 1.5 hours at stock settings and my temps are only 57 oC. Not the greatest but much better than my prior heatsink/fan.  The instructions sucked major ass and were only pictures, my prior heatsinks used different attachment methods and because this particular model is also compatible with socket 2011 there are two different sized screws that go into the motherboard.  Neither are labeled and they look very similar in the instructions so I fucked up the TIM that was already on the block.  I had to use the Noctua shit I bought, and was uncertain of the viscosity so I put a small drop on and moved the block as much as I could but you can't move it really and there were areas with no TIM between the block/cpu.  There was a nice amount and total coverage after placing very small dots of the TIM in the shape of a 5 sided die. 

I completely underestimated the fucking noise of these fans.  My computer sounds like a damn air conditioner or some shit.  :crankey:  Also, without the Corsair Link unit (which isn't available yet) you have to open the case to press a button to adjust the fan control... annoying.  My radiator had two bent fins as well, but it wasn't major and I straightened them out. 














It was mega late when I finished so I didn't fuck with cable management.  I also didn't have any molex connections available for the pump in the block, so that was a PITA.  Overall, I'm very happy so far but I'll have to see what happens with the OC. 


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14739526 - 07/09/11 03:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the bad thing nobody talks about with watercooling is that it basically doubles the heat that comes from your computer, and i myself hate heat except in the wintertime its nice to turn it into a free heater.  anyways nice build,  if you ever need fans again you should check out yate loons, i got about 4 of them for about 8 bucks and they work great with a solid casing, only downside to them was no grill but i built them myself out of nylon screen.

oh and while your in there you might as well repaste your northbridge, i always end up with extra paste that never gets used anyway


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14739551 - 07/09/11 03:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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the bad thing nobody talks about with watercooling is that it basically doubles the heat that comes from your computer



How is that? I don't see how the water cooling system itself dissipates another 350-500W on top of that the machine itself.

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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: koraks]
    #14739558 - 07/09/11 03:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

takes the heat out of the case, its the reason people use water cooling because it works so well.  the downside is it heats your room instead of your case now


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14739673 - 07/09/11 05:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The heat will dissipate from the case anyway. Otherwise the case would keep heating up until it reaches the temperature of the core of the sun :wink: I guess the difference is that a water cooling system dumps the heat in a more specific location, which makes it seem like the machine produces more heat. In reality, this is not the case.

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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: koraks]
    #14741048 - 07/09/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Install pics added to the first post.  I didn't follow the directions by putting the fans so they'd blow air in the case because I have more exhaust than intake, and many HAF X owners find this works well for them.  It's a pain in the ass fucking with this shit so if I get it back to 3.8 and temps are significantly better than before I'll be happy.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: koraks]
    #14742212 - 07/09/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The heat will dissipate from the case anyway. Otherwise the case would keep heating up until it reaches the temperature of the core of the sun :wink: I guess the difference is that a water cooling system dumps the heat in a more specific location, which makes it seem like the machine produces more heat. In reality, this is not the case.




not true entirely, the reason people use watercooling is because it "lowers" tempature, that means its removing more heat from the cpu, gpu, ect.  This heat travels directly from the cpu, to water, to a radiator, which means the case itself is removed from the picture.  As we all know cases tend to "hold" tempature in, as well as the case itself absorbing some of the heat.  in essence, watercooling is kind of like a boiler system.

I went from air, to water  cooling, and in doing so i went from a computer, to a space heater.  I can feel the difference ever single day the second i walk into my room.  There is a difference between air and water, and water does increase the heat that enters my room, and results in my room being hot enough not only for me to notice, but to also be bothered.

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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14744649 - 07/10/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think you notice the heat more from water if your tower doesn't have ample space/airflow.  Like I said in my previous post, the instructions for the fan direction for the H80 (and all HX series) is to have them pull air in from outside.  Since I have almost 300cfm of exhaust the heat is spread out quite a bit, but it's still heat(energy) so it doesn't just disappear. 

My living room is a bit crowded from my huge ass sectional couch, coffee table, entertainment stand, and computer desk (it got old using HDMI from my laptop for iTunes and with a 9 month old I need the PC in the room she's in when doing homework).  Since bringing the PC upstairs it is a fucking horrible space heater.  In our old house I had it in our bedroom and we'd have to open the window in winter. 

Anyways, water just has a higher heat capacity so it can cool more effectively than air blowing all over the place.  So all it does is lower temperatures at whatever area you have a block applied.  It may feel like more heat is being removed in the short-term, but after you turn the PC off the heat in the case/components dissipates to the surroundings so the total heat energy still moves into the system around it.  If you had a cooling mechanism that didn't do its job, then the component would get really hot (possibly fail) and shutdown so the heat would again dissipate slowly and you wouldn't realize it as easily.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14747144 - 07/10/11 06:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

nobodys saying the heat just magically disappears, you have lots of metal that absorbs the heat, basically your case is one big heatsink.  Its kind of like, why do people put insulation in a house?  it holds cold in during the summer and heat in during the winter.  Does the cold or heat just magically disappear no, it slowly exits, "slowly".  Water cooling, takes the heat, fast, to a radiator, thats designed, to fastly get rid of it.

lastly, lets say your running a stock heatsink on your cpu, your prolly going to be running around 50C or more, now lets say when you throw watercooling on it drops it to 23C, that means your removing an extra 27C from the cpu at all times, thats going directly to a radiator, directly into your air, fast.  On your stock heatsink, that extra 27C is sitting on your cpu doing nothing, and your motherboard monitor that says 50C proves it.  Sure your cpu is only going to be able to put out a certain amount of heat i get that, but watercooling is going to capture alot more of it, and take it alot faster, to your air, because thats what its designed to do, thats why people pay big bucks for it.

So in short, air is going to remove heat from the cpu down to 50C in this example, thats what is getting removed, and its a constint, water brings you down to 23C, thats removing more heat right?  i mean you tell me where is that 27C going?  Where's it at with the computer on air?  And now down to my "main point" is your room going to be hotter on water?  Yes. so why this long drawn out discussion, ill never know.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14751488 - 07/11/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Where is that 27C going?  It isn't going anywhere since the water effectively keeps the temperature from getting that high.  It's pretty simple physics, and given the fact that no mechanical cooling (as in refrigeration) is involved in what we're talking about it's as simple as water absorbing more heat over a certain area (and likewise losing it in a radiator where the area is increased) so the component it's cooling reaches a lower temperature than air. 

It's clear that no one is going to change your mind, because no one will change mine either.  The key is your question of where is the 27C going.  Or just google people with water cooled systems if you want to skip the physics, and you'll see it makes no difference after a certain period of time.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14751636 - 07/11/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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oh and while your in there you might as well repaste your northbridge, i always end up with extra paste that never gets used anyway




Are you talking about putting the silicone heatsink glue along the north bridge? Never thought of that before.

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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: teknix]
    #14751729 - 07/11/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No not glue, just thermal paste

i use arctic silver ceramique


and to the people arguing that liquid cooling can make your room hotter...

no it cant

the only extra heat will be 20 or 30w worth from the pump

the case may "hold in heat" but eventually its gonna get out

water cooling just gets it out faster

and if your that concerned with the temp of your room run the radiator out your window then theres no heat in the room from the PC

If u need any help with watercooling or PC cooling in general hit me up, ive built at least 50 bad ass all custom water cooled and phase change cooled PCs

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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: NobodyImportant]
    #14751759 - 07/11/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yah it's the same thing I mean, it goes between heatsink/processor.

Compound, glue, paste, adhesive, whatever :P

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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
    #14753067 - 07/11/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Where is that 27C going?  It isn't going anywhere since the water effectively keeps the temperature from getting that high.  It's pretty simple physics, and given the fact that no mechanical cooling (as in refrigeration) is involved in what we're talking about it's as simple as water absorbing more heat over a certain area (and likewise losing it in a radiator where the area is increased) so the component it's cooling reaches a lower temperature than air. 

It's clear that no one is going to change your mind, because no one will change mine either.  The key is your question of where is the 27C going.  Or just google people with water cooled systems if you want to skip the physics, and you'll see it makes no difference after a certain period of time.




it keeps it from going that high because,its removing it.  its removing it to,your room.  now your trying to tell me it magically disappears.  That heat is going to your room instead of sitting in the case/on the cpu. Air removes less, to your room.  Your right it is pretty simple.  Oh and i don't have to google anything because im sitting here with watercooling right infront of my face.

let me ask you something, why do you have so many fans in your case?


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14753577 - 07/11/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I guess some of the 2011 have the northbridge on the cpu now :laugh:
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Where is that 27C going?  It isn't going anywhere since the water effectively keeps the temperature from getting that high.  It's pretty simple physics, and given the fact that no mechanical cooling (as in refrigeration) is involved in what we're talking about it's as simple as water absorbing more heat over a certain area (and likewise losing it in a radiator where the area is increased) so the component it's cooling reaches a lower temperature than air. 

It's clear that no one is going to change your mind, because no one will change mine either.  The key is your question of where is the 27C going.  Or just google people with water cooled systems if you want to skip the physics, and you'll see it makes no difference after a certain period of time.




it keeps it from going that high because,its removing it.  its removing it to,your room.  now your trying to tell me it magically disappears.  That heat is going to your room instead of sitting in the case/on the cpu. Air removes less, to your room.  Your right it is pretty simple.  Oh and i don't have to google anything because im sitting here with watercooling right infront of my face.

let me ask you something, why do you have so many fans in your case?




Pics!

I want to build a water-cooled system, but haven't had a chance to yet!

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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: teknix]
    #14754119 - 07/11/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yah it was a fun project but i dread the day i have to change the water, i should have had a drain tube put in there but i wanted to save money and now i pay.  cutting the tubes kind of sucked to, i thought an razorblade would do the trick but i had to keep shaving the end to get it straight.  and this case was made for watercooling but it turned out to be a bitch finding a place for that pump, i just barely got it to fit where its at



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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14754206 - 07/11/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That is pretty sweet too!

What is the processor speed and what is it over-clocked to?

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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: teknix]
    #14754249 - 07/11/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Although yes some of the heat is contained in the actual heatsink and copper CPU shell the CPU is producing large amounts of heat and the actual amount of heat that the CPU and other componets produce is equal the amount of heat that leaves the case, minus the initial start up when the heatsink is cold

water cooling adds no more heat to the room than standard cooling


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: teknix]
    #14754315 - 07/11/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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That is pretty sweet too!

What is the processor speed and what is it over-clocked to?



its a 920 I7, stock is 2.66 and its running at 3.6

evga and there shitty motherboard had a glitch in the bios that resulted in the cpu running at 1.55 volts for its first 2-3 years of life so i think that fucked with my overclocking potential.

and for the people still saying watercooling doesn't make the room hotter i again ask where is the 27C going?  and why does your computer case have fans?


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14754701 - 07/12/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the heat is leaving the case

and watercooling may heat up the room a little quicker from the time you turn the PC on but for the PC to continuously pick up heat that wasnt released it would eventually get to rediculous temperatres, it would have to be heavily insulated any normal air cooling will get rid of 100% of the heat produced by the PC not including the little bit of heat that stays compared to when you boot it when its cold.

really high right now so idk of that makes complete sense but its simple thermodynaics

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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14754900 - 07/12/11 01:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:facepalm:
The entire purpose of watercooling is to cool the components as fast as possible.
Who cares if you are exhausting heat to your room, so does air cooling.
The point is the components are being cooled super effectively and usually results in lower average temps/higher overclocking potential.
Yeah they can be a pain and you run the risk of destroying your components from a leak, but that's the risk you take. If you don't like hot air then open a window or buy an AC
As the dog would say :blewmeanie:

Protip: next time install a drain line for your cooling system, makes your life a lot easier
and there is no bug in the BIOS preventing the cpu from hitting > 1.55v, you probably just couldn't get a stable OC

5HT sweet build.. Haf X is an excellent case, sounds like you want a fan controller


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Shroomism]
    #14755088 - 07/12/11 02:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i think you should reread my posts, you clearly misread, like everything. for example, i mentioned a drain..... as for the bugged bios when i say its bugged thats what i mean....i never said i had "problems" hitting 1.55 i said my bios was bugged and overvolted my shit...bugged.  i had no problems hitting it i was hitting it for 3 years!


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14755170 - 07/12/11 03:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Did you ever have the cpu in another MB.. perhaps a Gigabyte?


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Shroomism]
    #14755250 - 07/12/11 03:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

no...when i say the motherboard is bugged, thats what i mean.  evga, motherboard, bugged.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14756307 - 07/12/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Were any of the utilities you used during the OC phase reporting the voltage correctly?  Did the BIOS?  It's pretty much standard to use realtemp so you can be certain you have the right temps as you incrementally increase your bclock/voltages. 

Bloomfield processors do really well the majority of the time, even at higher temps.  When I first started fucking around with my Sabertooth I moved the CPU_OV jumper and didn't realize it automatically put it at 1.5, but I caught it the second I ran CPU-Z & HWMonitor (and AIDA64).


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    #14758291 - 07/12/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

eleet and the bios "tempature reading" part both showed 1.55v, when i had the bios set to "certain" voltages under 1.55v.  So for example 1.29v will acurately give a voltage of 1.29v but if i go to 1.30v poof i get 1.55v, the same is true if i went to 1.28v, poof 1.55v.  This is how i got fucked and had it running at 1.55v for 3 years, if you set your bios to a certain voltage you dam well expect it to run at that when it boots up. It shows a certain voltage on one screen in the bios, you don't expect to have to go looking at another screen to doublecheck this preschool written shit.  My memory was also overvolted a bit as well.  Microsoft says anything over 1.65 can lead to damage to the memory controller, well it was at 1.68.  Now give or take a few points for error sure but that still makes me uneasy. And who knows if its over or under especially when its a buggy bios like this.  Its a serious fuckup on evga's part.  It is a bios/hardware bug in the board no doubt about it.  And it wasn't just 1 mb, they set me a refurb and it did the same dam thing, i even have video's going from eleet, to the bios, to the voltage ect ect documenting the entire thing.

because at the time i thought i had cpu damage and i was going to make them buy me a new one over this crap.  I started getting bluescreens out of the blue no pun intended.  Which to me shows a degraded cpu, as it was one of the bluescreens related to the cpu.  So thats actually what made me switch to watercooling to prolong the life of my cpu,


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14764686 - 07/13/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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takes the heat out of the case, its the reason people use water cooling because it works so well.  the downside is it heats your room instead of your case now




the fucked up thing about water cooling that people never think about is this

leak + motherboard = FRIED


I mean it's like a disaster waiting to happen. I guess it's fine until you have a loose tube, then snap crackle pop and not the candy

I have 5 fans in one of my computers, it was cheap and easy to install but probably a waste of time there is nothing heavy duty in there. the whole case stays cool though, the other computer, the dell, gets hot as shit. I'm sure there's are ways around cooling with water that work just as well


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Shroomism]
    #14764697 - 07/13/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah they can be a pain and you run the risk of destroying your components from a leak, but that's the risk you take.




being the main thing I took away from that statement


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: imachavel]
    #14766413 - 07/14/11 05:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> the fucked up thing about water cooling that people never think about is this: leak + motherboard = FRIED

What people are you talking about?  I don't know anybody that has built a water cooled computer that hasn't taken precautions to avoid frying their electronics due to leaks.  They add stabilizers to the water and use more expensive metals to mitigate galvanic corrosion, they put ties and clamps on the tubes, they test the water loops before assembling the electronics, they use expensive tubing that is chemically inert, etc.  Perhaps the layman doesn't think about water leaks with water cooling, but the layman generally isn't building (or buying) a water cooled system.


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    #14766764 - 07/14/11 08:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Is that a full size tower? I regret going with a mid-size on my recent build.


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    #14766771 - 07/14/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I got the same problem with noise, have one 200mm fan and five 120mm fans playin crysis 2 thing fuckin gets loud but my temps are solid.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: imachavel]
    #14772070 - 07/15/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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takes the heat out of the case, its the reason people use water cooling because it works so well.  the downside is it heats your room instead of your case now




the fucked up thing about water cooling that people never think about is this

leak + motherboard = FRIED


I mean it's like a disaster waiting to happen. I guess it's fine until you have a loose tube, then snap crackle pop and not the candy

I have 5 fans in one of my computers, it was cheap and easy to install but probably a waste of time there is nothing heavy duty in there. the whole case stays cool though, the other computer, the dell, gets hot as shit. I'm sure there's are ways around cooling with water that work just as well





Yea, the people that go uber crazy with OC'ing everything, putting water on all their components, and making their PC's look like works of art use water that is relatively non-conductive.  Pure water doesn't conduct electricity and additives put in the stuff is also made to prevent this.  On top of all of that, water cooling components are very good quality and people run plenty of tests to ensure there are no leaks.


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    #14772423 - 07/15/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I started a project, but never got it out of the design phase, to make heat pipes out of common water cooling parts (minus the tubing and the water) to see how efficient I could get the cooling.  The idea was to put a radiator at the top of the case, along with copper tubing down to the water block. Finally, a refrigerant, at the proper pressure would be used for heat transfer.  In theory, I should be able to get close to 100% efficiency in the thermal transfer between the water block and the radiator.  (The refrigerant would collect and boil at the water block, evaporate, condense in the radiator, and drip back down to the water block.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Seuss]
    #14790725 - 07/19/11 04:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Shroomism]
    #14790789 - 07/19/11 05:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Slightly off topic, I just wanted to share one of the cleanest, most badass water cooling builds I've seen
http://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?BuildID=25365





Wow!  That is sweet.  Here is his build log for the mod.  Impressive skill.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Seuss]
    #14792022 - 07/19/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I just blew through an hour of my fucking free-time reading that build log.  :crankey:

It's a nice mod for sure, but it took a damn long time and with all the "shout-outs" does he get those parts for free?  The pic of the rigs he has at home are insane... especially that Mercedes one.  Over the top with the cooling!  Blocks on the RAM and using 480's in Feb/2011?  The dude is an amazing craftsman and you can tell he likes the work and the product more than anything else, but I'm just wondering what the purpose is to go completely berserk on cost with all that cooling (not to mention time) and stick older components in it?  Is quad-sli even worth it?

My favorite part of water cooling is when people use more streamlined styles.  That case is simple yet it augments the feel of the build quite a bit.  Powder coating... fucking-a the case will outlive the components by a century.  My favorite part of the log was him replacing the front of those reservoirs.  Those logos did look like shit.


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    #14794266 - 07/19/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

> does he get those parts for free?

It sounds like he does.  Once you have established a history as a top notch modder or reviewer or whatever, the manufacturers will send you free samples because you are always getting a lot of publicity in their niche market, thus it is a very cheap form of targeted advertising.

> Is quad-sli even worth it?

In almost every situation, no.  If you have money to burn, and nothing better to blow it on, and want something that looks impressive, then why not.  If you are using the cards as co-processors (for math/science), then it might be worth it.  For a high end gaming rig... overkill, and sometimes detrimental to performance.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Seuss]
    #14806741 - 07/22/11 02:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lots of guys build rigs like that for the E-peen/benchmark score factor, most of them running Quad SLI is usually to turn them into 24/7 folding machines.
4x480s all folding simultaneously, that's a lot of CUDA power.
Some of these crazies have multiple rigs dedicated to folding, folding 'farms' they call them.
I laugh at what their power bills are probably like. But then, they can probably afford it if they can afford that hardware.


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Re: Upgrading my gaming PC cooling (Built ~Dec 28th) [Re: Shroomism]
    #14809591 - 07/22/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've noticed a LOT of people on OC forums have folding sigs.  They do seem like people that have a lot of money or a lot of debt since they're buying the newest hardware the second it comes out.  :shrug:


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    #14809605 - 07/22/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I don't get that, shit always drops to a reasoanable price within six months to a year. I guess if I had the money I'd be running with 4 cards and what not too. PS: Just got my solid state drive in:grin:


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